2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumObama is a LIAR (please add air quotes for those who are freaking out)
I hear this all the time on Facebook and other places. Obama is a liar. All he does is lie, lie, lie.
But when I ask those making such accusations to point out one of his lies, or better yet, give me a list of them, they suddenly get mute.
Now, I can easily give you a list of Romney's lies, although that list would take days to compile and print out. But what, exactly, are these lies that Obama is allegedly telling? These people seem convinced that he's a lying sack of crap, but they can't or won't point to even a single so-called lie.
So are they just pulling this out of their butts, mimicking talk radio, or can they really point to what they perceive as Obama's lies?
So far, I'm not getting anything from them. But I AM curious how they developed this notion (although I suspect I already know).
It seems that nowadays the accusation is all that matters. Backing it up with facts is apparently unimportant.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)Obama is lying in not admitting Romney is telling the truth about everything!
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)thanks
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)Get a grip.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)And putting stuff like that in the title is something trolls often do in order to get negative Obama stuff trending in searches.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)Okay, I'm done.
Jesus.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)flamingdem
(39,319 posts)faithfulcitizen
(3,191 posts)WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)Really? Are we that sensitive?
I'll tell you what. If a moderator decides to delete this thread because of the title, fine. It's ridiculous, but fine.
faithfulcitizen
(3,191 posts)I'll tell ya what...deal.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)that you appear to not understand the importance of ..
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)Someone sees the title in Google, clicks on it and sees the post. What's the harm?
I mean, really. Explain it to me. Has the entire Google/DU ecosystem been destroyed by a simple, provocative title?
Firebirds01
(576 posts)That you want to make a provocative title so everyone will want to see whats up. The problem is that, like everyone said, these posts spread like wildfire over the internet. Yesterday I wrote a post on Boortz calling Allred a whore. Boortz saw it and posted in on his facebook (he made fun of us in doing so). It got shared 860 times on Facebook and 49 times on twitter. Now, how many of those 860 actually read the entire post? Probably not many, they just saw the title and said "Yeah Boortz, keep pissing off those libs."
So, we have your post that says Obama Lied. How easy would it be for Boortz, Limbaugh, anyone else to but it on their page and say "look, even the Libs dont trust Obummer. See, we were right and they know it." So then we look like idiots.
In my opinion, its better not to tempt fate just to get an eye-popping post title.
LP2K12
(885 posts)over the top...
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)tessar
(58 posts)And so is the seeming lack of comprehension....
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)Seriously. Step out of the bubble.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)They accuse him of lying about:
His birth certificate - Already debunked.
Him being muslim or a muslim sympathizer - Already debunked.
Him being a socialist - He's more conservative than I am.
Him using executive privilege on Fast and Furious - Which was actually initiated during the Bush years, and also already shown to hit more Republicans than Democrats if it is actually completely brought to light.
Him not taking away their guns - Also already shown to be the case.
It is pretty ridiculous, especially since there is so much proof that it was not lies to begin with.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)But I'm hearing things like, "All he does is lie."
I, frankly, don't understand the mindset. But then I guess I have a brain.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Nor can I get a quote from them.
Any how, you may want to change the title of the thread to something like "They call Obama a Liar" or something like that.
Title can get misleading.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)When it runs counter to the Truth* as it generally does, it can lead people to reject the Truth.
*Truth: The notions and opinions supplied to you by your owners
SunSeeker
(51,659 posts)Because the title as it is may get you clicks, but it is really offensive.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)I was unaware that we had to be oh so careful about how we frame things about a politician because someone might be offended.
Wow.
Delete the thread, then.
SunSeeker
(51,659 posts)It's not just about sensitivity, it's Google indexing. You don't want "Obama is a LIAR" popping up when people do Google searches, do you?
And as far as deleting your thread, it is my understanding that only you can do that.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,470 posts)They can't name anything unless it's, "He'll repeal Obamacare".
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)They don't give a shit about his policies.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)They merely parrot what rush (and his ilk) scream on the radio or what they hear on fox. You'll have better luck trying to get an intelligent response from the spider crawling across my floor.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)The truth is that President Obama's economic advisers made that prediction before he took office, during the lame-duck session of 2008. Their prediction was based on faulty information they were given by the outgoing bush administration, which was under-reporting the depths of the economic crisis.
The fact is that unemployment stood at 8.1% the day President Obama was inaugurated.
As far as what the *percentage of increase* unemployment would rise to, I think his advisors got it pretty much right. It's just that the base number they were working with (which was supplied by bushco, and which was inaccurate) was lower than what it actually was at the time.
Yet, the RWNM likes to say that unemployment was under 8% when the president took office and that it soared above 8% due to the president's policies, and that he was lying when he said it wouldn't go above 8%.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)a prediction and a lie.
Azathoth
(4,611 posts)These folks have abandoned any notion of objective fact. Any accusation made against a politician is simply "one side", to be balanced out by the other. All Romney does is lie? Well, then, all Obama does is lie! Take that! The idea that Romney's lies have been objectively and painstakingly documented by both reporters and policy experts while Obama's "lies" consist entirely of talk-radio conspiracy-mongering doesn't even register on their radars.
lyingsackofmitt
(105 posts)After months and months of listening to conservatards call into radio shows, reading their comments on the internets, listening to people here at work, none can specifically say what's bad about Obama, except he's a socialist or he sucks. They have no argument.
reflection
(6,286 posts)and he came back with his shift on recognizing gay marriage.
I told him that was not a lie, that was an opinion he held that he changed. Now you can opine as to whether or not his changing of that opinion was politically motivated, but it certainly wasn't a lie. He had no response. I don't mind arguing with people, but I want them to at least bring some game, not just weak play.
BigDemVoter
(4,156 posts)who say, "Obama is a Communist", or my personal favorite-- "Obama is a fascist!"
Too stupid to even know there's a difference between the two. . . . and that they, the right-wingers, are the fascists.
MatthewStLouis
(904 posts)The problem for Rmoney is that he truly is a liar. Even the GOPers know that. That's why they keep talking about "holding their noses" and voting for the charlatan snake oil salesman. The guy is not a flip flopper, or a moderate in disguise. He's a conservative, who just like a used car salesman, will say anything to get elected.
Try this: listen to what Rmoney says he will do once elected. His positions change with his audience, like some kind of chameleon.
Now: listen to the what the President says he will do. His views don't change with the wind. He is a progressive. He stands with the middle class. He is a known quantity. He is trustworthy. This is why conservatives hate him. They don't like democratic principles. Period.
krawhitham
(4,647 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)Obama is a liar = he's black to a lot of them
Obama is not a citizen = he's black
Obama is not a christian = he's black
It's just a way for a lot of them to express racism without admitting it I think.