Hillary won fewer than 30 delegates last night, you call this a landslide?

[Csainvestor]

Bernie will pick up more delegates once the NY counting finishes.

This huge win means she only netted 20 something over Bernie...

NY has some of the most restrictive voting laws in the US, it's the home of Wall Street and Hillary has won NY 3 times, twice as a senator, and in the 2008 primary.

[Gomez163]

1. Hillary won 139 delegates to Bernie's 108. She now has 1930 delegates.

[Csainvestor]

4. you are including supers

She netted less than 30 delegates over bernie.

Bernie won over 90% of all counties in NY.

[Gomez163]

7. Yes. They are hers and will stay hers forever.

the GOP won 90% of the counties in the country the past two elections. Who's president?

[highprincipleswork]

27. Forget the supers until the convention. Let's see what history brings between now and then.

[Godhumor]

18. There are 247 pledged delegates. She is at +33 with 2 delegates left to be allocated

You do the math.

[Csainvestor]

31. there are 8 left

those will mostly go to bernie.

[Godhumor]

36. 2 actually. 245 have been decided

But considering you thought the +31 number included Supers, I understand your confusion.

[Csainvestor]

37. no there are 8

do your research.

[Godhumor]

44. Here's my source. What's yours?

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york

[TM99]

63. Actually according to one of the few

unbiased sources on the delegate count, there are still 44 uncommitted delegates in NY.

Clinton got 139 and Sanders got 108.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NY-D

[Godhumor]

64. 44 are the Supers

Green Papers projected out that the last two pledged delegates would go Bernie for a final +31 but that hasn't officially happened yet.

Total pledged delegates are 247.

[TM99]

66. So yes, then we agree.

She got a net of 31 pledged delegates. It was not a landslide. It was not a routing. She won and she walks away with more delegates but she still has not won.

Glad we cleared that up.

[Godhumor]

69. No, she is currently actually at +33. Her floor is +31.

And, yes, it was a rout for two reasons. 1) Bernie severely underperformed his target and now needs 60% of all remaining pledged delegates to just come out with the barest majority. 2) Another 247 delegates are out of the equation, which gives Bernie a lot less real estate to work with.

Mathematically, yesterday was an awful day for him.

[TM99]

70. It was not great. It was not awful.

30+ delegates is not insurmountable. It just isn't.

[Codeine]

50. source? nt

[SCantiGOP]

53. NPR tonight

Said Bernie would need to win every remaining state by more than 15%.

He'll need a lot of mystical birds to do that.

[Hortensis]

30. We talked about this silly notion before, CS. Have you seen

Bernie's commercial now in which he dishonestly informs America that all the superdelegates in the House and Senate are so entirely corrupt and viciously uncaring that they make speeches for $200,000 a pop in speaking fees while voting down minimum wage increases?

In case you haven't, sitting members are not allowed to take one red cent in pay for speeches. Bernie knows that, of course. He's a sitting senator and superdelegate himself. And when he returns to the Senate, he'll be eating lunch alone, which he pretty much did before too.

[LuvLoogie]

48. With supers she has 175. She has 139 to Bernie's 106...

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of 2 pledged delegates remain to be determined out of 247.

I suspect that you are often frustrated. Start with facts. It will help.

[leftynyc]

72. LOL - what a bullshit meme

So he won where there are more cows than people. Big freeking deal. Let me know when the cows can vote.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. LOL/NT

[democrattotheend]

3. Can we stop deluding ourselves?

The bottom line is, our chances are pretty slim at this point. They were slim even before last night. I continue to support him but I don't see who we help by being unrealistic about his chances.

[Csainvestor]

6. you got it wrong

Her chances are very slim to win without superdelegates.

She won't be able to win without superdelegates. This wasn't a resounding win.

[democrattotheend]

12. Who will undoubtedly stick with her

Barring an indictment or major scandal. She is the establishment. Bernie threatens the status quo that most elected officials want to preserve. The superdelegates are not going to throw the nomination to Bernie, especially if Hillary has more votes and delegates.

[wyldwolf]

39. I've never seen such a state of denial as with Bernie followers now

[KelleyD]

56. Bernie is now reaching into destroying his legacy if he continues his path of destruction.

[kcass1954]

58. The only thing he's destroying is the bullshit Clinton is peddling. n/t

[Csainvestor]

10. these voters think otherwise

[WhiteTara]

25. Well, if supers must follow the people's will

Raul Grivala must switch his vote to Hillary. Just saying.

[Csainvestor]

42. Bernie won 42% of NY

How many superdelegates should he have won in NY then? 42% of them?

The reality is Hillary has over 500 Supers and Bernie has like 30.

[WhiteTara]

46. Super delegates are not confined to districts

like delegates. But that doesn't mean Raul shouldn't switch according to your logic. Of course, I think that Raul should vote for his choice which happens to be Bernie.

[Thinkingabout]

40. What reason would they have to change their votes? The super delegates are normally current

or past elected officials, they are made up of current Democratic congressional members, state officials, governors and former officials along with the committee members. Hillary currently has 487 endorsements. She will pick up more delegates and right now Sanders needs more than 50% to complete the number of delegates, this increased last night, the incline is steep. He knows this, if he wants to stay until the convention, OK, but getting the nomination is getting out of reach.

[onehandle]

5. She gained almost 300,000 votes over the competition and is nearing +3,000,000.

This will be repeated in several states next Tuesday.

[Thinkingabout]

41. Yes it will.

[restorefreedom]

8. this is why they are desperate to drive him out before cal.

as well as some other states.

if they were REALLY unconcerned about his chances, they would ignore him, not be spending all their time telling us how "hopeless" it is

[Ino]

9. It was actually a disappointing win for her...

it being her "home state" and all... its Senator for 8 years.

She did well in New York City area, home of Wall Street... what a surprise!

[onehandle]

11. 9,000,000 people in NYC. Wall Street must be crowded! nt

[lunamagica]

17. Imagine how it was for Sanders...NY born and bred

[leftynyc]

73. LOL

After all the posts last week claiming he would win NY or get within single digits, it was a complete blowout. And I'm sure all those wall streeters live in the South Bronx, East NY, Harlem - where she REALLY blew him out. Such pathetic excuses, I would think you'd be embarrassed.

[Hav]

13. Because it also works against Bernie

The way the delegates are allocated proportionally didn't result in a huge net gain for Clinton despite a big win in one of the largest states. But that also shows how difficult it will be for Sanders to catch up.

[Samantha]

14. And Bernie received the most delegates from NY than any other state

And he still has a single digit lead in CA and a really good outlook on Oregon.

I don't think he will drop out now.

Sam

[Codeine]

38. The last California poll released

puts Clinton up 12 points. I haven't seen him with a lead here at all.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts

And he still has a single digit lead in CA

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html#polls *






*btw, gravis is the junk pollster who missed New York by ten points.

[Samantha]

59. I didn't say he had the lead in CA

I said there was a single digit difference, and one can see that quite clearly in the link you posted by a couple of posters.

Sam

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. I am sorry. I read it in a hurry. When I am wrong I apologize.

[Samantha]

62. That's okay

Take care.

Sam

[Codeine]

65. Reread your post. It says lead. nt

[Samantha]

67. You are correct - I apologize

I posted two very different posts on different threads saying about the same thing. The other one says "difference" and that is what I intended to say here. I doublechecked the other post!

Sam

[Codeine]

68. Sounds like something I'd do.

[geek tragedy]

15. have you ever been right about anything while on DU? nt

[msongs]

16. GOOD news for bernie. he can keep getting 30 more behind at each new primary. good for him I hope he

accomplishes that

[RobertEarl]

19. 19% voted

This is not democracy. Looks like all that voter suppression worked rather well.

[WhiteTara]

24. There was that, but voter turnout in this country

is abysmal. Most people would rather leave it up to someone else.

[Fresh_Start]

51. a higher percentage voted in new york state

then in washington state.
Shouldn't you be complaining about washington state results?

[RobertEarl]

55. Are you?

Washington was a caucus.

19% voting is shameful and anyone happy about that is someone whose name I never want to see again. You are now on ignore.

[Fresh_Start]

57. Yes, caucuses are intrinsically less open

so de facto more voter suppression

[redstateblues]

54. I thought Bernie was going to generate historic

Voter turnout. Bernie can fill up an arena he just can't get them to vote.

[speaktruthtopower]

20. Not a disaster but he's running out of time

[GoneFishin]

21. With all the Party elders pulling every possible string for her, and all the establishment machinery

being run in high gear to bulldoze over Bernie, but they are impotent to do it.

What a joke. She has every conceivable advantage, but she has a small problem. A lot of people don't like her, don't trust her, and don't believe a word out of her mouth.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Yet...

A lot of people don't like her, don't trust her, and don't believe a word out of her mouth.

Yet she's working your guy ...

[Codeine]

22. she won more than 30 and Sanders won't be getting any more

from New York. Not sure how you've convinced yourself of that. I see two delegates unallocated maybe.

[Csainvestor]

29. there are 8 left, most of these will go to bernie

look at a map of NY to see why.

[Gomez163]

32. Hillary will increase her lead by 31

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NY-D

[Codeine]

35. Where on Earth are you getting your numbers?

And honestly, delegates are awarded by congressional district, not county. She won 21 of 27 CDs. His swath of wins in deer and tick country don't mean much of anything.

[Codeine]

71. That doesn't seem to have happened, does it?

Wrong again!!

[WhiteTara]

23. She increased her lead by 30 delegates

that was not the total delegate count.

[SidDithers]

26. He's done...

His ship has sailed.

His goose is cooked.

His campaign is pinin' for the fjords.


Sid

[Maru Kitteh]

33. But no! He's MERELY RESTING.

[SidDithers]

34. Beautiful plummage...

Sid

[Trajan]

28. There are things I would say, but I can't ... Not here

I believe Bernie, or someone like Bernie, is the only way the Democratic Party will be saved from the Third Way Conservatives who rule the Democratic Party ...

Without that salvation, they are dead ...

I intend to stick with Bernie ... Hell or high water ...

[djean111]

52. You are correct. And - me too.

[seabeyond]

47. Kicked... fuggin' Sanders ass. You saw didn't you, he went back home to recoup?

[Adrahil]

49. Tis but a flesh wound!

https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/A0QCZcSV9tdJT2boHJG74Q--/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD0yNDE7dz0yNDE-/

[JoePhilly]

60. More "losing is winning" nonsense.