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Csainvestor

(388 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:33 PM Apr 2016

Trump has more votes than Hillary in the swing states

Hillary backers always point to the fact that she has more votes than Trump. But she got those votes from blue states.

Hillary got more votes than Trump in blue states.
Trump got more votes than Hillary in swing states.

Hillary ran up the popular vote count over Bernie in the red states, but Trump will win those red states.

The vast majority of Hillary votes came from the red states. Does anyone think Hillary will win the red states against Trump?

Forget the popular vote for Hillary, It looks like Trump will win the electoral college very easily.

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Trump has more votes than Hillary in the swing states (Original Post) Csainvestor Apr 2016 OP
In an election where all Americans of legal age are allowed to vote, Drumpf cant win, period. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #1
you are wrong Csainvestor Apr 2016 #2
So a wager? Even money, here is the wager, if it is Drumpf vs Hillary Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #4
Talk is cheap. Loser eats dirt...I'll take the Hill... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #23
Come at me, bro. frylock Apr 2016 #25
Trump/Cruz will never be President for the same reason Sarah Palin isn't VP emulatorloo Apr 2016 #26
And how is Bernie doing in those swing states? Zynx Apr 2016 #3
Might want to think this out to the next logical step. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #5
Not looking good for Hillary Csainvestor Apr 2016 #7
And even less so for St Bernard. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #9
I am discussing the GE Csainvestor Apr 2016 #12
Because he's the alternative to Clinton. Codeine Apr 2016 #14
no it doesn't. Csainvestor Apr 2016 #16
She'll destroy him. Codeine Apr 2016 #19
how can you believe that going by vote totals so far? Csainvestor Apr 2016 #20
" I don't see how to read this any other way." NCTraveler Apr 2016 #13
Is Hillary going to win Csainvestor Apr 2016 #15
Please keep thinking it through. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #28
Hillary has more votes than Bernie in the swing states...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #6
I'm bringing up the talking point which hillary voters use Csainvestor Apr 2016 #10
She actually has more votes in FL. She also got more votes in Virginia. Zynx Apr 2016 #18
And North Carolina DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #27
So go vote for Trump and stop bothering us. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #8
why get angry at me? Csainvestor Apr 2016 #11
your opinion on the future is not a fact. btw she will do better than bernie could in any event nt msongs Apr 2016 #17
In what Swing States?? RockaFowler Apr 2016 #21
see how tight those races were? Csainvestor Apr 2016 #24
She won't win Alaska Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #22
Something happened in Ohio, Florida, and possibly New York... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #29
THE OP IS WRONG; EXPLAIN YOURSELF!!! Onlooker Apr 2016 #30
+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #33
Recognized Expert Larry Sabato Has Clinton Routing Trump 347-191 Stallion Apr 2016 #31
Were those swing states' primaries open or closed? i.e. could independents vote? thesquanderer Apr 2016 #32
Can you post the numbers to back up your claim? MadBadger Apr 2016 #34

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
2. you are wrong
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

the popular vote count doesn't matter.

the electoral college matters. And Trump has more votes than Hillary in the swing states.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
4. So a wager? Even money, here is the wager, if it is Drumpf vs Hillary
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016

we bet, even money, as I said.

How much are you in for?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
23. Talk is cheap. Loser eats dirt...I'll take the Hill...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

Think I am fake... I will meet you at MacArthur Park in Westlake the day after the election.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
3. And how is Bernie doing in those swing states?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

His vote totals in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina aren't so good.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
16. no it doesn't.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:48 PM
Apr 2016

i do wonder about a GE matchup between Hill and Trump.

She won't win that match going by what we have seen so far.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
20. how can you believe that going by vote totals so far?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

Trump looks like he is going to win the electoral college.

Hillary will win the popular vote, no question.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. " I don't see how to read this any other way."
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

That in itself is what I get to take away from this.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
15. Is Hillary going to win
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

NC, Ohio, SC, or Texas?

Trump came in second, and he still got more votes than Hillary in Ohio.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
10. I'm bringing up the talking point which hillary voters use
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

it doesn't matter that she has more votes than trump.
Most of those votes came from either blue states, or because Trump was running against many candidates in the early red states.

The red states where Hillary ran up her vote count is a useless stat for the GE.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
18. She actually has more votes in FL. She also got more votes in Virginia.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

Carrying those two is sufficient.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
11. why get angry at me?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

i never said i would vote for Trump, and that isn't my point.

I am just talking about the facts. Does it matter how many votes Hillary won in the south, when we know Trump will sweep the south in the GE.

Why do you wish to ignore the facts?

msongs

(67,420 posts)
17. your opinion on the future is not a fact. btw she will do better than bernie could in any event nt
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
21. In what Swing States??
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

Florida - Hillary had more votes than Trump
H. Clinton 64.4% 1,097,400
D. Trump 45.7% 1,077,221

Michigan - Hillary had more votes than Trump and lost the Primary
H. Clinton 48.3% 576,795
D. Trump 36.5% 483,751

How about Texas??
H. Clinton 65.2% 935,080
D. Trump 26.7% 757,618

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Csainvestor

(388 posts)
24. see how tight those races were?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016

You are neglecting to take into account how many more votes would trump get if he wasn't running in such a competitive field.

You don't really think Hill will take texas do you? Trump would have had more votes if Cruz wasn't in the race. Same goes for Florida and Michigan with Kasic etc.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
22. She won't win Alaska
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016

but we're only three electoral votes that won't matter to anything. It's kind of liberating really.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
29. Something happened in Ohio, Florida, and possibly New York...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

... where it seems like a large number of independents registered as Republican...

to vote for Kasich and Trump (who outperformed in these states).

It's just a sample but we could lose a lot of independent votes across the nation if Hillary is our nominee.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
30. THE OP IS WRONG; EXPLAIN YOURSELF!!!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries

Arizona: Trump had 14,000 more than Clinton and 80,000 more than Sanders
Florida: Clinton has 20,000 more votes
Illinois: Clinton doubled Trump
Michigan: Clinton had about 100,000 more votes than Trump
Minnesota: Clinton had about 3x as many votes as Trump
Missouri: Trump had 70,000 votes than either Clinton or Sanders
New Hampshire: Trump had more votes than Clinton
North Carolina: Clinton had 150,000 more votes than Trump
Ohio: Trump had 40,000 more votes than Clinton and 200,000 more than Sanders
Virginia: Clinton had about 150,000 more votes than Trump
Wisconsin: Clinton had about 40,000 more votes than Trump

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
31. Recognized Expert Larry Sabato Has Clinton Routing Trump 347-191
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:30 PM
Apr 2016

and winning all the contested states. This is based on actual head-to-head state polls


http://www.270towin.com/maps/crystal-ball-2016-electoral-college-ratings

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
32. Were those swing states' primaries open or closed? i.e. could independents vote?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

If they were closed, those primaries give no indication of how the independents might swing the state's vote, and so don't give much of a clue as to who is likely to win the state.

However, if both the Dem and Republican primaries were open in those states, and Trump did better than Clinton, that wouldn't bode well.

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