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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:55 PM Apr 2016

Experts Agree HRC Indictment "Chatter Is Just Plain Ridiculous; BS fans & Repugnants can still dream

Like I said before, I can't tell many of the Sanders fans posts from those of rabid Right Wingers! (so, how many are Repugnants 'for' Bernie?)

Here are a couple of "Gems":[div class="excerpt" style="border:1px solid #000000;"]
Is Hillary staying in pending indictment: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1794977


If you Hillary people win, and then she is indicted by the Justice Department




Some relevant posts/articles:

Sanders Supporters Must Stop Repeating GOP Lies About Hillary Clinton - a Sanders supporter's appeal

I belong to a number of pro-Bernie Sanders groups on social media, and the sheer volume of anti-Hillary posts by individuals from conspiracy or conservative websites is staggering. These people link Breitbart, Infowars, March Against Monsanto, The Daily Caller and other websites to make their claim that Hillary Clinton is the worst person ever – or that President Obama was a gay prostitute in his younger days.

As I have repeatedly stated before, I am a Bernie Sanders supporter, despite our minor differences on science and genetic technology. I switched from No Party Affiliation to Democrat for the first time in years, simply so that I could vote for Bernie.
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Experts Agree Clinton Indictment "Chatter Is Just Plain Ridiculous."
http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/02/01/experts-push-back-against-right-wing-media-clai/208297


TPM's Josh Marshall: Experts Agree Clinton Indictment "Chatter Is Just Plain Ridiculous." As reported by Talking Points Memo editor, Josh Marshall, law professors and former federal prosecutors have told him "to a person" that the chances of an indictment are a "far-fetched" idea and that "on the possibility of an indictment, most of this chatter is just plain ridiculous -- a mix of ignorance and tendentiousness":

[div style="border:1px solid #000000;" class="excerpt"] As a legal matter, the chances of Hillary Clinton facing any kind of indictment are very, very low.

Start with the fact that as far as we know, she is not actually even being investigated for anything, let alone facing a looming indictment. The simple facts, as we know them, just don't put her in line for an indictment. The first reason is the facts, which rest heavily on intent and reckless negligence. The second is tradition and DOJ regulations which make professional prosecutors very leery of issuing indictments that might be perceived or in fact influence an election. This was my thinking. But as the press coverage has become increasingly heated, I started trying to figure out if there was something I was missing - some fact I didn't know, some blindspot in my perception. So I've spoken to a number of law profs and former federal prosecutors - based on the facts we know now even from the most aggressive reporting. Not like, is this theoretically possible? Not, what the penalties would be if it happened. But is an indictment at all likely or is this whole idea very far-fetched. To a person, very far-fetched.

So why the press coverage? I think it's a combination of reasons. The most irreducible and perhaps most significant is simply prestige reporter derp and general ignorance of the legal system. Second is journalists' perennial inability to resist a process story. And third, let's be honest, wingnut page views. (TPM, 2/1/15)


ABC News: "There Doesn't Seem To Be A Legitimate Basis For Any Sort Of Criminal Charge Against Her." In a February 1 article, ABC News' legal analyst Dan Abrams debunked media outlets hyping the claim that Clinton will be indicted over her private server usage. Abrams added that "there is no evidence - not suppositions or partisan allegations but actual evidence - that Clinton knew that using a private email server was criminal or even improper at the time":

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Justice Department: No Criminal Referral Over Clinton Emails



Statement from the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community and the Department of State Regarding the Review of Former Secretary Clinton's Emails

(NOTE: IC IG: INtelligence Community Inspector General Bill_USA}

IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government's possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral - it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes.

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[font size="4"] This Rabid Right indictment talk puts me in mind of another bit of Repugnant wishful thinking:[/font]


[center][font size="6"]Birther Bugs[/font][/center]




[font size="4"]Scritch, scritch, scritch, scritch[/font]




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Experts Agree HRC Indictment "Chatter Is Just Plain Ridiculous; BS fans & Repugnants can still dream (Original Post) Bill USA Apr 2016 OP
Ironically it was the Hillary campaign that started the birther shit jfern Apr 2016 #1
LOL! "there's a sign up ahead. It reads: ..... THE TWILIGHT ZONE" Bill USA Apr 2016 #4
It's true. She did in 2008, or at least she fanned the flames. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #9
I can just see the bumper sticker now: "Hillary -- At least she wasn't Indicted" Armstead Apr 2016 #2
skritch, skritch, skritch?? LOL!! Bill USA Apr 2016 #3
Sorry to disappoint you, but... Armstead Apr 2016 #5
Powell and Condi Rice used personal email accounts which had classified data in them.. however.. Bill USA Apr 2016 #7
One of Brock's mouthpieces sez nothing to see here, move along. winter is coming Apr 2016 #6
can't tell any difference between a Bernie fan's rhetoric and a Rabid Right Repugnant's Bill USA Apr 2016 #8
So when are you going to the front lines to fight, FOR REAL, other Americans you find repugnant? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #12
Unless these "experts" are working inside the FBI, their opinion means nothing. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #10
Maybe if you write out an indictment and put it under your pillow the Indictment Fairy... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #11
I'd rather wait for the FBI report than sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #13
The way some here are positively breathless with anticipation of an indictment Blaukraut Apr 2016 #14
Lame angrychair Apr 2016 #15
another example. the Repugnants "for" Bernie really love to chant the Big Lies Bill USA Apr 2016 #16

jfern

(5,204 posts)
1. Ironically it was the Hillary campaign that started the birther shit
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you should have the Hillary campaign take your own advice?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
5. Sorry to disappoint you, but...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

I never put much stock in the whole e-mail thing.

Except it was a stupid thing to do.

And Hillary gave the GOP the gift that will keep on giving regarding the things that were on the released e-mails.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
7. Powell and Condi Rice used personal email accounts which had classified data in them.. however..
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016
Commercial email providers have hundreds of security personnel employed to protect their system from malware and hackers

Commercial email providers have hundreds of security personnel employed to protect their system from malware and hackers
[font size=""3"] IN order to do their jobs these security personnel have to have the ability to examine any email on their servers (this doesn't mean that they DO read all the emails, but they have the ability to look at any email on their servers). Powell and Condi Rice had email accounts on Commercial email providers servers. Any classified info in any of their emails (and dept of state has said they had some) is necessarily compromised just by being on a commercial email service providers server. [/font]


State Dept Concludes Past Secretaries Of State "Definitively" Had Classified Info On Private emails


She wasn't the first, but by having, in effect, a Government personnell controlled satellite computer she had a set-up that was more secure than any commercial email account is... UNLESS YOU THINK ALL THOSE COMMERCIAL EMAIL SERVICE PROVIDER CYBER SECURITY EMPLOYEES HAD GOVERNMENT SECURITY CLEARANCES! LOL


winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
6. One of Brock's mouthpieces sez nothing to see here, move along.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:09 PM
Apr 2016

I hope he lets the FBI know before they waste any more taxpayer money.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. So when are you going to the front lines to fight, FOR REAL, other Americans you find repugnant?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

otherizing people is a step towards that. For the record, let me know where the front lines are... flying lead is dangerous for my health and frankly I prefer to avoid live fire exercises.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
11. Maybe if you write out an indictment and put it under your pillow the Indictment Fairy...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe if you write out an indictment and put it under your pillow the Indictment Fairy will arrest Secretary Clinton.


sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
13. I'd rather wait for the FBI report than
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:09 PM
Apr 2016

to read outsiders' opinions, "experts" or not.

And, yes, that birther idea came from her
campaign, though not from her directly.

Her choice of Brock shows how well she
values "truth in advertising" though.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
14. The way some here are positively breathless with anticipation of an indictment
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

is pretty sickening. I don't care who wins the nomination, as long as it happens soon. Bernie is a good man and he champions important causes. Hillary is a good woman and I have no doubt she will have Democrats' best interests at heart if/when she becomes president. The candidates' supporters, however, leave a pretty bad taste in my mouth.

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
15. Lame
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

Your article links are 3 months to almost a year old, mostly opinion, mostly opinion based on incomplete public domain information.

Why don't we all wait until actual investigation is completed by the actual FBI and they give their recommendations to the Justice Department.

Your self-righteous indignation and hyperbole aside, I'll wait and see.

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