Paul Ryan on tape saying Rape is A form of Conception...hope this goes viral

[amborin]

ps: Romney supposedly tells voters that he thinks abortion is ok in cases of rape or incest, this despite endorsing Mourdock
and despite contradicting past statements.
But can the woman get an abortion simply on the basis of stating that she was a victim of rape or incest?
Or must there be proof? If proof is required, what kind of proof? In a court of law? If the woman
has to provide proof in either case, then by the time this proof is adduced, it would be too late to
obtain the abortion, no? What am I missing?

[Phx_Dem]

1. Let's help it along.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. Let's!

[roguevalley]

25. they seem to be experts on rape. pass it on

[NYC_SKP]

2. If ever the US votes in a STUPID ASS MOTHERFUCKING BACKWARDS BASEBALL CAP WEARING asshat like this..

is the day I go fucking nuclear.

[Divine Discontent]

3. you and me, both!

I am already being more boisterous about insane right-wingism when I come upon it, and calling out their racism, selfishness, and let-the-poor-die policies - and if a majority of voters in enough states put THAT moran in as VP, this nation is doomed! Seriously, just LOOK at him! Talk about a dickwad poser!

[NYC_SKP]

10. LOL @ "dickwad poser"!

Yep!

Hey DD!

[Divine Discontent]

20. yeah, my bro says he stays far away from loud mouth posers like him at the gym, lol

hiya NYC_SKP!

[amborin]

8. hope i don't insult anyone

but i have always despised the backwards baseball cap look

[NYC_SKP]

13. Especially after the age of, say, 12 or 13.

Seriously.

[blazeKing]

15. What an egotistical jackass

He's probably one of those people that love watching themselves do curls in front of the mirror...and they make those stupid loud noises and grunts like they're actually lifting heavy weights.

[Aviation Pro]

28. Separated at.....

....fucking birth.

Say hello to your twin, you fucking splooge (Christian Bale as Dicky Eklund, crackhead).

[Thinkingabout]

5. He will probably say war is a form of population control.

This is the same guy the CONSeratives thinks is so smart and he is on the budget committee. My goodness, where have all the smart people gone that used to be on Congress?

[bushalert]

6. Just posted to FB...shall we build some momentum here?

[Tx4obama]

7. That story already went viral a couple of months ago.

There were tons of OPs on DU, here's just one of them: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021196592

And the cable TV news shows talked about it too.

[amborin]

11. that's great...but that was then and maybe people need to be reminded eom

[Divine Discontent]

16. people forget things, agreed. nt

[amborin]

21. this says Ryan co-sponsored legislation banning abortino even in cases of rape or incest:

"According to NARAL Pro-Choice America, the devout Catholic has cast 60 votes in the House against abortion and other reproductive-rights issues. The advocacy group said he has co-sponsored legislation that would ban “abortion care in almost all cases, including rape or incest.”

In the case of rape, Ryan has said, “I’m very proud of my pro-life record, and I’ve always adopted the idea that ... the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life.” He has also said, “I’m as pro-life as a person gets” and that he’s “never going to not vote pro-life.” And he backed a bill – some call it the “Protect Life Act” while others deem it the “Let Women Die Act” - that would allow hospitals to refuse abortion to a woman, regardless of whether her life was in danger..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/paul-ryans-abortion-problem/2012/08/30/1e1d34b2-f2d0-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html

[sammytko]

9. That has been out for some time. N/t

[amborin]

12. it seems newly relevant, given Mourdock's statement;

ryan is not saying pregnancy from rape is an act of god, but given that Mourdock has now said this ghastly thing,
Ryan's statement does not seem all that different from Mourdock's.

[NCLefty]

14. Ummm... he didn't say what you claim he did.

"The method of conception doesn't change the definition of life" isn't the same as "Rape is A form of Conception"

I know why you are translating that but I think it does us a disservice to claim it's what he said when that's false.

We can win with women on their stances without having to distort them. We lose credibility when we do that.

[Divine Discontent]

17. one could certainly say

"they seem to think that rape is an acceptable route of conception ---- and that does a disservice to educating young men about rape when you have politicians saying good things happen from rapes that result in the victim carrying the rapist's baby".

[amborin]

18. you're right; he does not say it verbatim; but given the current context, his statement seems very

close in sentiment.

[moobu2]

19. uh.. the method of conception he was referring to was rape.

So Paul Ryan was saying that rape was just another form of conception. He damn sure was.

[moobu2]

24. Just one more thing about this

Paul Ryan was asked the question..

"when it comes to the issue of rape, should a woman be allowed to get an abortion if she is raped?"

Ryan starts on the typical avoiding answering the question answer, but then he says,

"The method of conception doesn't change the definition of life"

You have to look at the question he was asked and then look at his answer but what he was saying is that rape is just another form of conception. That was my take on it the first time I heard it and my friend sitting here thought the same thing as well.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

26. I agree 100%

We need to tie him to his words. He said when asked about rape and abortion, "The method of conception doesn't change the definition of life." He owns it.

Which may have something to do with why he's hiding in safe states doing fundraisers now?

[moobu2]

31. I couldn't disagree with you more. I'll just leave it at that.

[hoboken123]

32. 'it doesn't matter what causes a baby to be made'

Exactly: they don't care the method of conception, whether or not it's rape.

That's their belief and they should own it.

That of course makes the OP correct and you the one twisting words.

[liberal N proud]

22. Seems to be a Republican Family Value

And it should be highlighted.

[Unknown Beatle]

23. Where I'm from

the rape victim has to call the police immediately after the crime. Once the police arrive at the scene, they call the rape crisis center and the center sends out a counselor to determine if a rape really occurred. Once it has been determined that a rape did indeed occur, they drive the victim to the hospital where the victim is checked for injuries and the rape, if the victim refuses to go to the hospital, then a rape kit (sexual assault evidence collection kit) is used.

Worse case scenario, the victim can't call police until a few days later, then the victim will be sent to the Rape Crisis Center and through interviews and some physical evidence it will be determined if a rape occurred.

All this is on the record and proof of rape. But, abortion is legal here in my city.

If Robme and Lying Ryan win, all that I wrote about will be done away with.

Obama must win!

[thucythucy]

33. Where are you from? The scenario you describe

seems quite different from anything I've experienced.

I volunteered at an urban rape crisis center for close to ten years. Among other things I did counseling, and occasionally went to court with a survivor to provide moral support. But RCC counselors generally never went out to rape scenes. In fact this was actively discouraged--among other reasons going to the scene of a rape--while the rapist was still at large-- might put the counselor at risk. And so almost all the initial contacts were made either on the hotline or at the ER. The police might suggest that the survivor call an RCC--but that decision was always left to the survivor herself or himself. Even in the ER, the survivor is asked if she or he wants to talk to a counselor--and the decision is hers or his to make. We never just barged in uninvited.

Nor was it the role of the counselor "to determine if a rape really occurred." The counselor was there to support the survivor, not to pass judgment, not to be openly skeptical. Certainly we were never in a position to gather physical evidence, nor would we want to be. The gathering of evidence is something that should be done by medical and police professionals, not RCC counselors (who are generally volunteers).

And in my experience rape kits are ONLY used in hospitals, administered by certified technicians/ER staff/physicians. Perhaps it might also be done in a doctor's office or women's health clinic, but certainly not in a non-medical setting. There is always the potential that the administration of a rape kit might be experienced as a continuation of the rape--it's certainly unpleasant--which again is why it has to be done carefully, and always with the survivor's consent. To force a survivor to have a rape kit administered so she can later get an abortion is cruelty, pure and simple. Really, it's another form of assault.

Anyway, this whole discussion on "real" rape is just more Republican weirdness, and demonstrates again why women have to be in charge of their own health decisions, including reproductive health. It's nobody's business, if I decide to have an abortion, why I decided to have it. And if I'm raped, I shouldn't have to "prove" it to some GOP legislator if I decide not to carry the rapist's semen to term. The last thing in the world I would want, as a rape survivor, is to have to "prove" to some knuckle dragging Ayn Rand freakoid that I was "really" raped. The whole concept is distasteful, demeaning, disgusting.

And so I certainly agree, President Obama must be re-elected. The consequences of four to eight more years of GOP misrule, especially coming so soon after the disaster that was G.W. Bush, are too terrible even to imagine.

[amborin]

34. thanks to both for the info;

What remains unclear to me is:

If abortion were illegalized except in cases of rape or incest, then a woman who desperately wants an abortion could simply say she was raped. But Republicans would probably close this loophole, by requiring proof. So, this would probably easily evolve into demanding legal proof. And by the time this was procured, it might be too late to get the abortion. So, even saying abortion is permitted in cases of rape---and Ryan forbids abortion even in cases of rape---would be tantamount to outlawing it under all conditions.

I can't believe we're even discussing these possibilities. After all the bruising battles to get Roe v. Wade, it's unthinkable that this is even back on the agenda, and yet it is.

[sheshe2]

29. Paul Ryan

Scares the ever loving BE-JESUS out of me!

[rightsideout]

30. The Republicans are literally "Glorifying Rape"

They seem to have absolutely no regard for the victim aspect of the assault of rape. No discussion of the crime.