How many provisional ballots are there in New York (state), total?

[CreekDog]

Is there a reliable source for the actual number of provisional ballots or perhaps an estimate with some official sourcing?

[hrmjustin]

1. No offical number yet but from what I am hearing here in Brooklyn

it is in the thousands.

[CreekDog]

2. anyone who was was illegitimately unregistered or incorrect unaffiliated with a party

should have their provisional ballot counted.

that would change the numbers but perhaps not enough to affect the allocation of delegates.

[hrmjustin]

3. It happened to my brother and friends. This was done on purpose to make Brooklyn less Democratic.

I don't buy the mistake in the process excuse.

[CreekDog]

4. how did they know who was a Bernie supporter?

and when were they removed from the party? what was the date that it happened?

[hrmjustin]

5. It wasn't a plot against Bernie.

It looks like this was done last year.

[CreekDog]

6. Brooklyn became *MORE* Democratic, here are some numbers for Brooklyn (Kings County):

DEMOCRATIC 0.8% INCREASE
NOV 2015 70.9% (62.3% margin over Republicans/54.2% margin over Non-Affiliated)
APR 2016 71.7% (63.4% margin over Republicans/55.0% margin over Non-Affiliated)

REPUBLICAN 0.3% DECREASE
NOV 2015 8.6%
APR 2016 8.3%

BLANK (NO PARTY AFFILIATION) 0.5% DECREASE
NOV 2015 17.2%
APR 2016 16.7%

http://www.elections.ny.gov/EnrollmentCounty.html

[hrmjustin]

9. By removing them from the rolls they can not vote in future elections unless

they voted by affidavit ballot or re-registering.

Remember that the presidential race is not the only races going on in Brooklyn.

We have a mayors race next year. Local legislative races as well.

Those numbers you cited increased because of new registrations.

[ViseGrip]

27. Remember 'data breach'? Besides, they could afford to lose a few Hillary votes

to thousands of Bernie votes. NY is not the first state either, nor is this the first election with fraud.

[hrmjustin]

29. This was not a plot against Sanders.

On election day most of the complaints came from central and eastern Brooklyn.

Not in Sanders strongest areas.

[CreekDog]

31. How many Bernie votes and how many Hillary votes were lost as a result

And please show your work.

[JTFrog]

32. Not sure how Bernie's campaign hacking the dnc data base leads to your conclusion.

Quite the opposite actually.

[CreekDog]

7. Brooklyn became more Democratic (see my post below with statistics)

If the numbers show the opposite of your assertion, then you must not have used numbers to come up with your assertion.

But isn't this about numbers?

[hrmjustin]

10. As I said the purge happened last year.

Likely before November.

Those numbers changed because of new registrations.

[CreekDog]

11. Nope, here are numbers from a full year ago:

DEMOCRATIC 0.6% INCREASE
APR 2015 71.1%
APR 2016 71.7%

REPUBLICAN 0.3% DECREASE
APR 2015 8.6%
APR 2016 8.3%

BLANK (NO PARTY AFFILIATION) 0.2% DECREASE
APR 2015 16.9%
APR 2016 16.7%

http://www.elections.ny.gov/EnrollmentCounty.html

your numbers are wrong again. how are you coming to conclusions without looking at numbers?

[hrmjustin]

12. Where is your source on this?

[CreekDog]

14. New York State Board of Elections, it was linked in the first post

http://www.elections.ny.gov/EnrollmentCounty.html

I did the calculations myself but used their numbers.

Feel free to check my work.

Why aren't you familiar with this source of data if you are so sure of your conclusions?

[hrmjustin]

16. Well logic says that if you lose 126,000 Dems the county becomes less Democratic.

[CreekDog]

17. But proportionally, more voters were lost to other parties than to Democrats

Every party lost voters, even the minor ones.

Amidst the losses, it seems like Democrats grabbed some, where the other parties mostly didn't.

Like I said, I can't defend any improper disenrolling or disaffiliation of voters, but can someone show me some numbers that bear this out?

Brooklyn and New York City in general have been losing American Citizens and gaining non-citizens in fairly large numbers. That may account for some, perhaps even a large part of these numbers, no?

[hrmjustin]

19. My whole point is I think it was done on purpose and it wasn't to hurt Sanders.

[CreekDog]

21. Maybe. But your whole point seems to be what you *think*

rather than what you or anyone else knows.

i think the thinking should go into establishing the premises.

not the jumping to conclusions without them.

[hrmjustin]

23. No. My opinion comes from what I saw and what my friends who poll watched saw.

Also what my friends at county headquarters are telling me.

Yes my conclusions are speculation.

[ViseGrip]

28. this should not be about 'who' it hurts. It's fraud and should be nullifed.

All go home, and the cheaters lose. Maybe DNC will step up when Dems cheat and demand a resolution. Even when it was stolen from Kerry in Ohio in 04, the party did NOTHING!!!

[CreekDog]

38. Are you calling for a revote? If so when ?

[hrmjustin]

18. Kings county went from 1,000,315 dems in November to 945,000 in April.

Looks like the purge continued throughout the year.

[CreekDog]

20. well, they were 955k in April 2012

and 907k in April 2008

and 886k in November 2007

I think we need some concrete evidence about what happened to those voters, before concluding an illegal purge, or at least figure out what proportion of the reduced numbers are a result of anything improper.

You realize that you're not going to find it if you jump to conclusions without investigating.

That's why it's important to look and investigate the data and other information. Because a giant conclusion that has no smoking gun is not as convincing.

[LiberalFighter]

33. A purge is not always a bad thing.

Especially when legitimate reasons are included in that term.

There should be a breakdown based on the reasons why voters are removed from the rolls. If such a breakdown was tracked it would also help to identify any issues.

There should also be a better way of voter maintaining their status even when they move.

[CreekDog]

13. Oh, I know what you might say, you might it's before that! So how about 2012 to now?

DEMOCRATIC 0.7% INCREASE
APR 2012 71.0%
APR 2016 71.7%

REPUBLICAN 0.8% DECREASE
APR 2012 9.1%
APR 2016 8.3%

BLANK (NO PARTY AFFILIATION) 0.1% INCREASE
APR 2012 16.6%
APR 2016 16.7%

http://www.elections.ny.gov/EnrollmentCounty.html

[hrmjustin]

15. 126,000 Denmocrats in this county were purged from the rolls.

Whatever those numbers say losing 126,000 Democrats makes the borough less Democratic.

[CreekDog]

22. do you call it a "purge" if someone registers in another county or state

and they are removed from the rolls for that reason?

[hrmjustin]

24. You are aware that the BOE is admitting a large amount of people were wrongly removed?

[CreekDog]

25. I'm trying to get those numbers

And trying to see if there are a lot of provisional votes, and how many, which would reflect people not being able to vote.

[hrmjustin]

26. They are not releasing a firm number on those yet.

They start counting Absentees and affidavits 9 days after election day.

[Dem2]

34. Why suspend the top elections official if there is no issue at all?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511817304

[CreekDog]

37. I didn't say there was no issue

Trying to gauge the magnitude of the provisional votes.

[Dem2]

39. I am curious too

One thing you can be sure of, the likelihood that they affected the outcome of the race is slim to none. I can state that with great confidence.

[Jitter65]

8. some of those votes will be for Hillary. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. ELEVENTY MILLION ! Bernie REALLY won by 130% of the vote!

[JackRiddler]

35. Not the right question!

How many people were purged from the voter rolls, by whom, in what way, and why?

What other shenanigans were done either in this election or generally?

When will there be a full criminal investigation of election irregularities and violations?

When and how will reforms be enacted to prevent such violations and to make the system democratic?

[CreekDog]

36. Don't ask me to do your work. If you have a question ask it yourself

I'm not your freaking employee

[JackRiddler]

41. Ironic given your OP.

You asked a question yourself. One that is easily researched online. In fact, I don't think you care what the answer is. Fact-finding is not the motive of your OP.

Sorry if you don't identify with clean elections and democracy as "your work."

[Dem2]

40. It's underway...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511817304

[Demsrule86]

42. I don't know but

I think this may give Hillary more vote. She won Brooklyn overwhelmingly.