2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary's Deceitful Smear of Pres Obama in 2008:
This is Hillary's 2008 campaign ad against Obama:
BUT:
Clinton doesn't mention the fact that she accepted even more money from executives and employees of oil companies $309,363, according to the center.
And she accepted about $442,800 from energy lobbyists, according to the center, though not all of that is from oil and gas alone.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/apr/17/hillary-clinton/yes-oil-company-employees-have-donated-to-obama/
brooklynite
(94,698 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)That or Hillary betraying Obama's trust and a direct order by soliciting Blumenthal for advice on State business?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)democratic. Sen Sanders didn't suggest that Pres Obama be primaried like you "misspeak" but did consider that he should have a primary challenger with the hope that Obama would move a little bit back to the left like candidate Obama.
So let's compare. Clinton tries to disparage Obama with lies and racist misrepresentations and Sen Sanders tries to use the democratic system to hold Obama accountable.
It's been clear for many years that Clinton's motto is "The Ends Justify the Means."
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)This is what he actually said. "Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders continues to argue that a Democratic primary challenge to President Obama would be good for democracy and for the Democratic Party.
Holding elected representatives accountable is a duty of a good Democrat, not authoritarian adulation.
He never said Obama should be "primaried".
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Thank God she lost in 2008, we'd still have DOMA in place and she'd still be weeping over her faith based biases against LGBT.
liberal from boston
(856 posts)Bernie wows huge crowd in New Haven!!! http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/bernie_sanders_new_haven_rally/
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)The data breech is considered the ultimate example of corruption--on Hillary's part.
Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? Imagine what they would be saying if Hillary's campaign had stolen data from Bernie's campaign.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)in the big world there is such a thing as leadership responsibility for what happens in the organization...he owns it.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Now you admit that, for all you know, he had no involvement whatsoever. Would you like a shovel?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)He could just as easily have known about is as not known about it. He and his campaign stink with the lies and absolutions they are giving each other.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)"He could just as easily have known about is as not known about it." You should stop embarrassing yourself and just admit that the mere possibility that he knew does not justify accusing him of dirty campaigning.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)so cut the bullshit and #3 explain to me how that absolved Bernie from calling for Obama to be Primaried.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)I see so many articles touting Politifact as "proof" of Hillary's honesty.
They rated this Hillary ad as "truthful" -- but there is no place in their ratings for the gross misimplications, hypocrisy, flip-flopping, weasel words, and shape-shifting that Hillary indulges in every day.
Those are huge reasons that people think she's dishonest -- not because they question the truthiness of statements like "Another thing we know that does not work, based on lots of empirical evidence, is torture," and "Could I just point out that ... I seem to get the first question all the time?" Politifact stacks the Hillary truth column with statements of fact no one disagrees with, and throw-away noncontentious comments.
Politifact might be useful to assess the truth of a particular statement, but should NOT be used to judge a person's overall honesty.
(This was a side rant, not directed at OP, but at people who use Politifact as proof that Hillary is innately honest!)
Tarc
(10,476 posts)They made up and worked towards a common goal; defeating th GOP candidate in the fall.
Bernie has to decide if he can man up and do the same.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Seems 100% accurate to me, and criticizing a senator for a vote is garden variety politics. And it seems that it didn't really upset Obama that much.