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Related: About this forumDes Moines Register Endorsement of Romney Makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20121027/OPINION03/121026026/The-Register-endorsement-Mitt-Romney-offers-a-fresh-economic-vision?Frontpage&nclick_check=1It seems to me that this "endorsement" of Romney for POTUS actually makes a better case for re-electing President Obama but ultimately concludes that since he hasn't fixed everything in four years, it's time to try Romney because he has "fresh economic policies" (because he's white? Cause his "policies" are certainly NOT "fresh" IMHO)
"The presidents best efforts to resuscitate the stumbling economy have fallen short. Nothing indicates it would change with a second term in the White House."
Ummm.........somebody get the DMR some charts about unemployment and GDP since 2008-2009.
"The presidents prescription upon entering office was a dose of government stimulus, which was the right call because it put cash in the pockets of consumers, made investments in vital infrastructure and kept millions of teachers and police officers on the job. That stimulus was necessary to bridge the nation from recession to recovery, but the time is past for more government stimulus."
So, the DMR believes that the stimulus was the correct thing to do then but not now? The time is past for more government stimulus? Where is the evidence for this assertion? Why wouldn't more stimulus be helpful? The economy is recovering, albeit slowly. A little more stimulus/push in the right places could potentially make a huge difference IMHO.
"Early in his administration, President Obama reached out to Republicans but was rebuffed. Since then, he has abandoned the effort, and the partisan divide has hardened. That has hampered not only the economy, but the entire country. We remain a nation of red states and blue states."
So, the DMR ACKNOWLEDGES that President Obama tried to work with Republicans but didn't want to work with him and the hardening of the partisan divide that the DMR appears concerned with is supposed to be all President Obama's fault? Really? DMR goes on to tout Romney's supposed good relationship with Democrats in Massachusetts but they overrode almost all of his vetoes during his term as Governor. Doesn't that suggest that maybe they did NOT actually get along all that well?
"Romney could be assured that Democrats would work to defeat him as hard as Republicans worked against Obama is if he were to adopt the reactionary agenda of the most extreme elements of the Republican Party. Romney had to tack to the right during the primary season. Since then, he has recalibrated his campaign to focus on his concern for the middle class, and that is believable if the real Mitt Romney is the one on display as governor of Massachusetts who passed a health care reform plan that became the model for the one passed by Congress."
DMR appears to be engaging in wishful thinking here about the kind of President that they would want him to be but can't possibly be sure that he will be. Nobody has any clue about what he will be like as President. We've spent four years with President Obama and, like it or love it, we all know what he stands for. BTW they do realize that Romney says he wants to repeal his own (nationalized) plan, don't they?
"Romney should not squander an opportunity to build consensus in Washington by wasting time on issues that animate many in his party. We cannot rewind the clock on progress for minorities, women, gays and lesbians. We must make it easier for immigrants to come here to live and work legally and stop making criminals of those who are living here lawfully, paying taxes and raising families. The federal government must continue to insist on clean air and water and encourage clean and renewable energy."
More wishful thinking here. Besides, we know President Obama already supports equality for minorities, women, gays and lesbians, supports comprehensive immigration reform and clean air and water and encourages clean and renewable energy! How do they know that Romney will stand up to the religious right and not pander to them on social issues. He's repeatedly claimed to not support any serious immigration reform and he has ridiculed President Obama about renewable energy during the entire campaign. Who are they endorsing again?
IMHO the entire argument for electing Willard "Mitt" Romney to the Presidency of the United States of America essentially boils down to "Take a chance on me". Well, I sure as hell hope the American people decide (unlike the DMR) not to!
BTW, whose hand is he shaking in that second picture?
doc03
(35,359 posts)red state rag?
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Most people outside of Iowa have no clue what DMR is.
JI7
(89,259 posts)to papers in other places.
but still they aren't that influential since the ones they endorse have lost more than won.
also i always found DMR to me more credible compared to other papers . and endorsing Romney lowers them to me.
doc03
(35,359 posts)we may lose Ohio too.
they are owned by Gannett as well as the Detroit Freedom Press. Did you see that papers' endorsement of Mitt Romney? THe Des Moines Register is also owned by Ganett whose owner is a conservative Republican. Could there be a skunk here? Their endorsements sound similar? All three right out of Mitt Romney's playbook. That is what you when you have the monopoly of many of the country's newspapers. Ganett's owner is also into layoffs,firing and downsizing and outsourcing. What they really like is Mitt's way of doing business. The rest Romnesia. I'm really liberal one day but the next strictly conservative when you see my choice of endorsements. We reject your prescription of Obamacare because it hurts our profits in the health industry for profits. How is that for an endorsement?
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)throat.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/28/the-des-moines-register-s-practical-joke.html
The Des Moines Register's Practical Joke
by Michael Tomasky Oct 28, 2012 7:50 AM EDT
This Romney endorsement editorial, if you actually bother to read it, is little more than a practical joke. First of all, it has all the hallmarks of having been ordered by the publisher over the objections of the editorial board. Normally, a sentence like "the Registers editorial board, as it should, had a vigorous debate over this endorsement," translated into blunt English means: "Our idiot publisher forced this tripe down our throats, and we're counting on you the more knowledgeable readers to understand this."
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It's the only explanation. And very scary stuff.
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)Gannett has owned DMR since 1985 yet only now are endorsing a Republican in the general election.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)just don't understand where they are coming from
brooklynite
(94,660 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)elleng
(131,028 posts)Iowa isn't thoroughly red,has and has had many important Dem elected officials, is well-educated, Des Moines is a major commercial/political/social city, and the Register usually does better (as I recall.)
Tutonic
(2,522 posts)Haven't you heard that Howard Fineman declared the race as over? Howard who goes by the daytime title of "journalist" declared the race as officially over this afternoon at 4:56 p.m. PST. Lets all move on.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)And Iowa isn't a "red state". Might want to check into who won the last Presidential election and where he got his first major boost from.
elleng
(131,028 posts)JI7
(89,259 posts)they want to throw something to the other side.
BainsBane
(53,038 posts)and flip flopping. How do they even know what they are endorsing?
timlot
(456 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)doc03
(35,359 posts)endorsed Romney too, who gives a f---.
elleng
(131,028 posts)doc03
(35,359 posts)296. 296-6=290 It may not be the end of the world if we don't carry Iowa.
elleng
(131,028 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)anyone who knows the history of their editorials and pandering to coal barons knew they would back Willard
doc03
(35,359 posts)Review in Pitsburgh, that's all we see in these parts.
Marsala
(2,090 posts)Basically they're giving in to Republicans taking the functioning of the government hostage. "Oh, the House Republicans refuse to compromise at all? Guess we have no choice but to elect a Republican president. Senate Democrats will surely cave."
LisaL
(44,974 posts)wisteria
(19,581 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)Surprised?
elleng
(131,028 posts)Binders Keepers
(369 posts)How these things usually work is that the fat-cat publisher lays down the law about whom the paper will endorse, and then it's the editorial editor's job to write it up and make it sound plausible (or else be fired).
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)Every time nowadays. whey can't agree, the people who sign the checks, wins. Period.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)I mean really. Common sense, people :p
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I know what it will sound like in my office next week. It is a man bites dog story, and I think it will have legs in this state. It is close here, and yoiu put IA with NH and we counteract Romney's push into WI. We are important if we don't win NV.
I agree completely with the post. The editorial is engaging in magical thinking of the highest order. They list what is important to them (which is Obama's policies) but say that because Obama cannot work with a recalcitrant Congress, you must let the bipartisan "hero" Romney work with them (the one with 600 vetos many of them overridden on his record). It is almost like going back to an abuser and saying it will be better this time.
If Romney wins this paper's endorsement will haunt them for a very long time.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)I know that most of us around here will yawn and move on with our lives but there are some people whom take this stuff seriously. Whether it will have a profound effect on the election or not none of us know (maybe, maybe not) but it's hard not to want to call BS on something so flagrantly offensive as this endorsement, particularly when it might well carry some weight with some people (i.e. low information voters), not to mention the fact that Iowa is going to be close this year.
FVZA_Colonel
(4,096 posts)The endorsement just seems like such a mess that I can't understand people not seeing it for what it is: a load of nonsense.
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)who, what, when , where.
jenw2
(374 posts)this is no surprise.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Obama is President in part because of the support he received in this state. I don't know why the editorial board with endorsed Obama in 2008 made this decision (it surely is not in the editorial) but do not paint our state with that broad brush. We are not perfect, but many in this state really do try.
wisteria
(19,581 posts)They just seem to think thay maybe-and a big maybe Romney will get more cooperation in Congress. The problem is what will be proposed and voted on. I don't think they gave that much though.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)they do appear to think that things aren't going to be much better, economically, if President Obama gets a second term.
"The presidents best efforts to resuscitate the stumbling economy have fallen short. Nothing indicates it would change with a second term in the White House."
They also seem to believe- simply on the basis of his support of the same policies that were in effect from 2001-2008- that Romney will somehow turn out be that elusive "confidence fairy" that our "job creators" have needed for the past 4 years:
"Consumers must feel more confident about their own economic futures to begin spending on the products and services that power the economy. A renewed sense of confidence will spark renewed investment by American companies. Industry will return to full production and hiring will begin again.
That should come with Mitt Romney in the White House."
Seriously
They are also seriously delusional if they think that Romney is going to (be allowed to) govern as a moderate if elected POTUS and, even if he does, the Republicans in the House are going to go apeshit and quickly abandon him, making HIM a one-term President as well.
Doodler71
(443 posts)And is very progressive. I have lived in several states and the people here are the least racist I have met. They have welcomed and supported multiple social programs with state funding for refugees, migrants, and displaced people.
I understand being upset that the paper didn't endorse the President, but please don't equate that with the opinion of the people who live here or make generalizations regarding how the people here support President Obama.
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MidwestTransplant
(8,015 posts)Justice4All1
(119 posts)This is not going to move the needle either way. Obama has already won IA, now move on.
they've so much as called Myth a liar admitting they don't know which Myth he would be? like i id, the storry needs to be about the fact that Myth's Bain Capital owns DMR, so of course as the boss, he tells them whom to elect.
People don't rely on newspaper endorsements, as part of the 1%. They're weary of these organizations. proof: The primary endorsement didn't help myth win, in spite off all his advertising money.
Ron Paul as 1st, Santorum & finally RMoney. so muh for the people giving this garbage credence. Dem congress would make myth's life a living hell on pssing anything.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)They had a whiny editorial about it last week - and this nonsensical endorsement is just the paper playing Media Heathers and trying to get even.
Doodler71
(443 posts)First, Des Moines is fairly liberal and very progressive. Rural Iowa is generally fiscally conservative, but compassionate on social issues. We tend to split alternately between republicans and Dems in local government, but in most cases work together.
Second, the Des Moines Register is not locally owned any longer. It was purchased by Gannet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gannett In the past seven years the paper has had massive turn over and layoffs. Whole departments were annihilated. Most of the staff writers were fired when they had philosophical differences with the new editors that were brought in with a different slant on journalism. Many writers were replaced with people with much less experience or credentials. The quality of the paper has degraded and subscriptions fell so low there was talk of only publishing it twice weekly and Sunday.
I know people at the Register and this "endorsement" should be taken with a large grain of salt. The decision came from way up the ladder and I believe there is even reference to that in the article. We all have bosses to answer to and this is the case here. This is pure and simple out of state corporate pressure.
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Doodler71
(443 posts)Cha
(297,446 posts)disingenuous with rw written all over it.
Doodler71
(443 posts)They even agree and know how it works. Don't let the DMR rattle you, it is not an indicator of Iowa electoral leaning.
Cha
(297,446 posts)I just got back on DU after a bit of a Tsunami crisis on Sat night.
Thank you so much for the link!
GusFring
(756 posts)looks bad, but it seems that the powers that be made the decision.
WallaceRitchie
(242 posts)They endorsed Romney for the party nomination but Santorum was declared winner of the Iowa caucus. People still need to go out and vote.
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)endorse the President.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)And yet, here we are discussing some Iowa paper, which endorsed Romney.
What gives? This paper doesn't have the sort of influence. Ignore it.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)that wants to get some national publicity.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)That is it in a nutshell. The DMR is endorsing Romney by gambling that his more extremist positions are lies and his recent flip flops are the truth! Conversely, DMR gives Republicans a free pass on their obstructionist behavior. In other words, reward Republicans for their bad behavior!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)that's one of the weirder aspects of the endorsement. They are gambling on Romney not being an extremist and ignoring the fact that we all KNOW President Obama isn't.