2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNO we are not dropping out, NO we will not tone it down, Nothing will stop us. We're ALL IN!!!
It's going to be very interesting...
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)To endorse Hillary.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)I think things are going to go down in the time left before the convention that will broadside a very large number of people who are now feeling so smug, over confident, so much like they backed the "winning team." No amount of saying this makes any difference whatsoever, though. What is going to happen is what is going to happen no matter and think it could be very surprising. (I am so glad that Bernie Sanders has committed to running all the way to the convention.)
GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)brush
(53,788 posts)It ain't gonna happen though.
Go with what your candidate said: "I don't care about your damn emails".
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Going to be interesting... Go for the JUGULAR Bernie...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)fantasy life - right in line with the worst right wingers on the planet. Congrats.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)what she was doing and counted on the Clinton Shuffle to gloss it all over. You know, kind of like the Banks Too Big To Fail. They do go together like hand and glove.
Perhaps not all the "fantasty life" is on the Bernie side. And hoping someone (who is running for top office) pays for their shady deeds, um, is pretty natural...it's called law and order...except for the ones who are in the same dugout.
Joob
(1,065 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I expect that first ballot will be a bit of a downer for you guys, though.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)On the first ballot!
the General will be a downer for you guys
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But I expect her to win fairly easily. Hopefully, you will help with that.
I thought Sanders would get creamed once the Repugs turned their knives to him. WE disagreed, so we voted for different people. Fair enough.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)She's a lying, pandering war hawk with an awful record of supporting war/regime change, disastrous trade deals and corporate hegemony.
Plus, once repukes get through with all the Clinton Foundation-SOS-weapons deals on top email servers, FBI investigations and all the old scandals revisited, HRC will be toast.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)vs Wall Street Blue. All bad!
So thank you for helping to nominate one of the bad ones who just happens to be female.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)One of two people is going to be President.... the Democratic nominee or the Republican nominee. That's just reality. If you aren't helping the Democrat to get elected, you are by default helping the Republican. You can justfy, complain, whatever you want, but that's just the reality. If you are content with that, then so be it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)There is a Fat Lady (I'm a female so I can use that term) that needs to sing first. She's warming up, but not yet singing. Lots can happen, but of course most people know that.
840high
(17,196 posts)the "bad guy".
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But if you'd rather have Trump than Clinton, then you are a lost cause, IMO.
Good Luck.
840high
(17,196 posts)evil is evil.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)that there are no difference in degrees of evil and that Hillary Clinton is evil, then there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Josef Stalin. You are fully justified in your view of the world. But it is not one shared by the people here, and Bernie Sanders certainly doesn't think that Hillary Clinton is evil. She isn't. She is a good person. If you have dug yourself into a deep emotional hole where you see Hillary Clinton as evil, then you should probably put down the keyboard, get out of the house and eat some chocolate. She's one of the good ones.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)And Donald Trump is so so much better...why he would never lie...or create concentration camps...
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Better luck next try.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)This cock of the walk crowing is pretty juvenile, IMO.
liberal from boston
(856 posts)Bernie has accomplished so much & inspired so many. This video is just beautiful. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017363590#post30
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Fascist. One candidate represents a fascist ideal such as American exceptionalism.
Hope you HRC supporters are proud.
Democratic Divo
(64 posts)And we'll be toasting her at her inauguration.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)really, the people making most of the anguished noises in GDP seem to be Hillary people.
Yeah, she's gonna be the nominee, pretty certainly. So Sanders staying in to continue to broaden the dialog and hopefully push the party in a different direction than, say, DWS wants... shouldn't really be any skin off your noses.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)But we welcome your ridicule as is shows up your character, but we will fight you and the oligarchy until we throw them out of our government.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)are so roundly disregarded. I don't have an opinion on it. Just an observation.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)as the Clintons will find out in November... may they then slink off to the dustbin of history
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Camp Sanders simply has no awareness of the issues most important to people of color, one of the major ones being "let's not elect the racist xenophobe on the GOP side".
Carolina
(6,960 posts)keep making assumptions because they make an ass out of ...
I AM NOT WHITE!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Don't worry, it is a common blindness of some of our more pale rich people, but I don't hold it against you, I have some white in me as well.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)But go ahead, keep trying....
Carolina
(6,960 posts)think of the 1990s as the good old days. And yes, the Clintons SEEM better than any repuke, despite their support of 3rd way/puke-lite policies. But the Clinton legacy has been anything but good to POCs. It's just too bad that the complicit media hasn't exposed the record and that more POCs haven't read Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow or seen/heard her speak. Also, many POCs are clearly amnestic about the racist primary campaign she ran against BHO in 2008 in the south and rustbelt. Hill and Bill use Black people and many of us recognize that fact.
HRC is winning because of name recognition, the inevitably meme, the 1st woman POTUS meme, the Brock-ops, media black-out of Bernie, DWS-DNC machinations, and voter disenfranchisement by any means (closed polling places, assorted irregularities, etc.).
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Better to just make fun of people not in The Bubble. Takes no thought or talent at all.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)to the PoC vote. So, as long as you're cool with that, we're good here.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Don't blame it on POC . Many didn't know who he was. All other demographics as well. It's nigh insulting to blame it on them.
It's changing...but hold off on the coronation plans for now.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)I love this ridiculous meme.
Perhaps we should just let the primaries run til December.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)What a silly comment. It was common knowledge that there was a blackout. Unbelievable.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Both Sanders and Clinton received significant media coverage over the past year, from nationally televised debates to advertising to cable media appearances and so on.
It's time to face reality, bro; a significant majority of the Democratic electorate just doesn't see the halo around Sanders' head that you do. No big conspiracies, no evil media blackout. You just...lost. It happens, but sadly it seems that the present generation was never thought how to lose with dignity. Too many "Participation Trophies" and "everyone gets a sticker just for trying!" growing up, IMO.
Better luck next time.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I'm fully grown up. Character assassination is so yesterday. And I have no clue what luck has to do with anything related to the real issue here.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Did you also know that he actually has supported all people, most especially minorities and other disadvantaged people his entire career? Unlike the money idol worshiping Clinton that wants us all to be brought to heel and ran racist against Obama (something Sanders would never do).
You probably don't, all minorities are the same amirite?
The media only reports pro Hillary stuff, unfortunately, it is not only the wealthy white that think we are all the same, such as yourself, that believe every lie told them by the Money Stream Media.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)There's oddballs in every group.
Rass
(112 posts)As a minority voter I know many Hispanic families and the majority want Bernie. Thanks to the Internet, they are more informed than ever before and that spells trouble for Hillary. Hillary's dirty laundry like fracking, oil, war, offshoring American jobs and mass incarceration of minorities will be known. They will not fall for Hillary's super PAC commenters that are paid to troll major websites.
The gig is up.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)So on the one hand we have the Du newcomer with anecdotal "people I know" vs. the actual, verifiable primary voter demographics.
brush
(53,788 posts)Like more than just angry white people are foaming at the mouth to vote for that misogynistic racist.
Newsflash: There aren't enough of them to outnumber the Obama coalition that elected Obama twice.
Romney's failure in 2012 showed that. He got a huge majority of the white vote and still lost handily.
Those days of depending on the white vote only are long gone.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Nothing in my post said that I hoped Trump would win. If you follow the conversation, my point HRC is very flawed and when the repukes finish taking about her lies, the Clinton Foundation slush fund (all those questionable arms sales), the email server ad nauseum PLUS all the old material from the 1990s, she will lose.
brush
(53,788 posts)for thirty years and is still standing strong, strong enough in fact to beat Sanders.
Bring on Trump, he with the highest negatives ever of any repug candidate.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)and poor judgment when in power. It's bad enough now that those of us who used to respect her don't any longer... and I fear, for the party, that more will come out when they take off the kid gloves that Bernie's been using and get into the ring. I hope I'm wrong.
840high
(17,196 posts)record for most votes ever in a primary. Don't count him out. He appeals to many different people.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,035 posts)#FeelTheMath
840high
(17,196 posts)brush
(53,788 posts)Just as in '08 and '12
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Pundits have been consistently wrong about his chances.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...that builds one's resume for an even more successful run. Until it gives one a voice in shaping the party platform.
Don't lose interest or motivation. Push for everything you think we need while they're still listening.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... the cheerleaders still have to cheer.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)"Two-bits, four-bits, six-bits, twenty-seven-dollars!"
"Well, yeah, we know the game clock says 00:00, but you can't trust clocks! It's a conspiracy!"
"It's not over until WE say it's over! We're the fucking cheerleaders, dammit!"
"We'll cheer HARDER! C'mon you guys! Keep cheering!"
"Cheer LOUDER and we'll win this thing!"
"More confetti! We need more confetti!"
"We've still got a time-out! We didn't get to use our last time-out! We've been cheated!"
"What do you mean there's only four quarters?!"
"A lot of people didn't have tickets to get in! They were DISENFRANCHISED!"
"If you guys would let NON-TICKET-HOLDERS in to cheer, we can WIN this thing!"
Cha
(297,322 posts)Bernie, Bernie, he's our man! If he can't do it .... no one can!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1863188
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... even if I say so myself. A little light-hearted needling never hurt anyone.
It's not easy to be razor-sharp and at my wittiest at 6:45 AM with and still working on my first cup of coffee.
It never ceases to amaze me (amuse me?) how such an aggressive bunch of people can be SO delicate at the slightest hint of poking fun and finding amusement in their behavior.
Thanks for posting the results! xo <3
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,035 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)St. Louis Cardinals - From 25 points behind to win:
Nov. 8, 1987 at St. Louis
Tampa Bay 7 7 14 0 28
St. Louis 0 3 0 28 31
Buccaneers - Carrier 5 pass from DeBerg (Igwebuike kick)
Buccaneers - Carter 3 pass from DeBerg (Igwebuike kick)
Cardinals- FG Gallery 31
Buccaneers - Smith 34 pass from DeBerg (Igwebuike kick)
Buccaneers - Smith 3 run (Igwebuike kick)
Cardinals - Awalt 4 pass from Lomax (Gallery kick)
Cardinals - Noga 23 fumble recovery (Gallery kick)
Cardinals - J. Smith 11 pass from Lomax (Gallery kick)
Cardinals - J. Smith 17 pass from Lomax (Gallery kick)
Totals TB STL
First Downs 26 26
Total Yards 377 415
Yards Rushing 83 137
Yards Passing 294 278
Turnovers 1 2
http://www.profootballhof.com/football-history/greatest-comebacks-in-nfl-history/
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... to keep his first string from being hurt.
Sanders on the other hand keeps his players on the field and everyone getting hurt
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)That remains to be seen.
Bernie Could Still Win
If Clinton is indicted, the superdelegates over whom she holds a commanding lead could massively desert her. The only thing that binds them is their promise, a promise few would hesitate to break if they were convinced that Clinton would lose in the general election. Without the superdelegates, Clinton will not get to 2,383, the number of delegates she needs to win on the first ballot. Her current lead of 826 delegates would shrink to 308 pledged delegates. If all of the superdelegates shifted from Clinton to Sanders, admittedly an unrealistic hypothetical, Sanders would actually lead Clinton by 210 delegates. If the convention requires multiple ballots, with each successive ballot more delegates will become unpledged.
A Sanders victory is still plausible.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-04-27/why-bernie-sanders-could-still-become-the-democratic-nominee
Donald Trump's new target: Bernie Sanders supporters
(CNN)With the Republican presidential nomination within his grasp, Donald Trump is courting an unlikely group of voters: Bernie Sanders supporters.
The GOP front-runner has ratcheted up his rhetoric against presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in recent weeks, calling her a "crooked" politician who is unqualified to be president. But when it comes to her challenger, Bernie Sanders, Trump has taken a notably softer tone, praising the Vermont senator's rhetoric and encouraging him to launch a third-party bid.
(snip)
Trump's advisers say these comments are a preview of more explicit overtures the campaign is ready to make to Sanders' supporters once the populist liberal exits the 2016 race. That strategy is based on the broad areas of overlap between voters attracted to Trump and those who have flocked to Sanders. Both have angrily denounced the political system as corrupt and expressed deep frustration that Washington is not helping ordinary people. They both oppose international trade deals, saying they hurt American jobs.
(snip)
Trump's advisers say these comments are a preview of more explicit overtures the campaign is ready to make to Sanders' supporters once the populist liberal exits the 2016 race. That strategy is based on the broad areas of overlap between voters attracted to Trump and those who have flocked to Sanders. Both have angrily denounced the political system as corrupt and expressed deep frustration that Washington is not helping ordinary people. They both oppose international trade deals, saying they hurt American jobs.
(snip)
"It's evident many Democrats (and certainly those supporting Bernie) find Hillary's campaign lacking," Hillsman said. "So what Trump is doing is smart. The only possible route to a November win for him is on the backs of independent voters."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/donald-trump-bernie-sanders/
Sanders also faulted Democrats for not pushing election reforms that would increase voter turnout and help Democrats win elections. For example, he said, Democrats should get behind legislation he introduced in the Senate to register everyone to vote when they turn 18 years old. The Democratic Party has got to be very clear. We need automatic voter registration. In 2015, Oregon became the first state in the nation to require state agencies to automatically register voters when they get a new drivers license or identification card.
He also called on Democrats in states where access to the voting booth is restricted in primary contests to open the process and let millions of independents participate, Republican governors want to make it harder to vote. Our job is to bring more people into the system. We need open primaries.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511861471
https://berniesanders.com/sanders-democratic-party-whose-side/
If the Democratic Establishment continues to sell Bernie short, while demonizing his supporters and disenfranchising Independents from coming into the fold as happened in New York, nobody playing this game on the Democratic side will win.
beastie boy
(9,375 posts)The only two scenarios that Bernie supporters are counting on to defeat Hillary:
1. Hillary gets indicted.
2. Bernie supporters vote for Trump.
Now how ridiculous is this? Any Bernie supporters willing to put money on either one of them?
Granted, the second scenario is much more likely than the first one, but c'mon...
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)1. The first is just a matter of mathematics, law and potential consequences, this is a very real possibility but if it happens, don't blame Bernie or his supporters, Hillary brought it on her self.
2. Too many broad brush posts like the one you just posted only serves to increase the chances of the second scenario taking place. I don't believe the vast majority of Bernie supporters will vote for Trump, but if the Democratic Establishment, corporate media conglomerates and Hillary supporters demonize them too much, an increased number will be disaffected with the Democratic Party which surely wouldn't help in a general election should Hillary be the nominee.
beastie boy
(9,375 posts)1.Clearly, I am not blaming bernie supporters for the investigation. I am blaming them for seriously counting on Hillary being indicted as a winning strategy for Bernie.
2. You brought up Trump as an example (and I am being generous in not calling it a veiled threat) of what might be happening to Bernie supporters if Bernie doesn't get his way. if this is not a broad brush post, I fail to see how my response to it is. And you are right, only 13% of Bernie supporters would consider voting for Trump. So the likelihood of this vote having any effect on Hillary's standing in general elections is minuscule.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Sanders also faulted Democrats for not pushing election reforms that would increase voter turnout and help Democrats win elections. For example, he said, Democrats should get behind legislation he introduced in the Senate to register everyone to vote when they turn 18 years old. The Democratic Party has got to be very clear. We need automatic voter registration. In 2015, Oregon became the first state in the nation to require state agencies to automatically register voters when they get a new drivers license or identification card.
He also called on Democrats in states where access to the voting booth is restricted in primary contests to open the process and let millions of independents participate, Republican governors want to make it harder to vote. Our job is to bring more people into the system. We need open primaries.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511861471
https://berniesanders.com/sanders-democratic-party-whose-side/
If the Democratic Establishment continues to sell Bernie short, while demonizing his supporters and disenfranchising Independents from coming into the fold as happened in New York, nobody playing this game on the Democratic side will win.
I brought up Trump because this a story by CNN which came out today depicting him courting Bernie supporters.
Hillary possibly being indicted isn't just about Bernie winning, if such a thing takes place after the convention, with Hillary as the nominee, this would seriously damage her in the G.E. greatly altering any current dynamic to the negative in which case the Democratic Party loses.
This is not a "veiled threat," it's just reality.
beastie boy
(9,375 posts)And that was one of the three points you made.
The other two, which made me chuckle, were examples of ridiculously improbable events which may yet (at least in your mind) make Hillary lose the election to, I presume, Trump. Both have only an infinitissimately remote connection with reality.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)logical, moral and just conditions; vastly superior to the decades old rut which the party has been trapped in and ill served the people as a whole.
If the Democratic Party truly wishes to lives up to its legacy of being the "party of the people" (not to mention thrive as a political institution) then fully embracing and championing democracy at all levels is an absolute must, leave the low road for the Republicans.
Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows
Since 1988, when Gallup routinely began conducting polls by telephone, there have been many years in which more Americans have identified as independents than as Republicans or independents. But the percentage of independents did not reach 40% until 2011, and it has stayed at or above that level for the past five years.
As a consequence, the percentage of U.S. adults identifying as Democrats is now at the lowest point in the past 27 years, down from the prior low of 30% in 2014. Gallup's shift from in-person to telephone interviewing in 1988 complicates the ability to directly compare party identification data collected between the two methods. However, Gallup data from 1951-1987 collected in person never found a yearly average Democratic identification less than 37%, making it safe to conclude that the current 29% is also the low point in Gallup polling history.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx
As a Hillary supporter with a good sense of humor perhaps if you wrote letters to the FBI and Justice Department explaining to them the groundless, senselessness of their investigations, they might be dropped?
beastie boy
(9,375 posts)Moral and just? Perhaps. Logical? He failed to convince the majority of his logic.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Some of our greatest tragedies stem from this chronic human frailty and unfortunately more await.
beastie boy
(9,375 posts)Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.
The majority of Americans are not convinced of Bernie's logic.
And despite your reservations, I would not want to live in a logicocracy.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)The U.S. is an oligarchy.
A democracy is based on logic, that more minds when synchronized well with the best information create a higher intelligence and this in turn is best for the community or nation.
A healthy democracy would absolutely require mass participation to create the greatest result, our dysfunctional state primaries and corporate media conglomerate supported binary two party system work on multiple levels against the very idea.
If we really cared about democracy, our political leaders would make voting all the easier not more difficult.
As increased numbers of Americans lose faith in government's ability to meet their needs and productively address the critical issues of the day, voting rates plunge, people become disenchanted with the system and both major political parties suffer entropy.
The graph that I posted on post# 107 is an illustration of this and that's only one small example.
beastie boy
(9,375 posts)Yes, we live in a representative democracy, dysfunctional as it is. No, it is not based on logic. No, minds are never synchronized. No, best information does not create a higher intelligence. No, no one is in charge of deciding what constitutes best information or higher intelligence, or what is best for the community. Yes, there IS mass participation in the US democratic processes. No, voting rates did not plunge in recent past.
And no, your graph does not illustrate any of the above, or anything in your post, for that matter.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Even former President Carter has acknowledged this, and he has spent decades post Presidency traveling the world overseeing democratic processes taking place.
Jimmy Carter: U.S. Is an 'Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery'
Former President Jimmy Carter had some harsh words to say about the current state of America's electoral process, calling the country "an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery" resulting in "nominations for president or to elect the president." When asked this week by The Thom Hartmann Program (via The Intercept) about the Supreme Court's April 2014 decision to eliminate limits on campaign donations, Carter said the ruling "violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system."
(snip)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-with-unlimited-political-bribery-20150731
Minds are synchronized when they come to an agreement after being given the best substantive information on a subject or issue, when all parties listen to one another and constructively contributes.
A larger number of people and institutions supplying information increases the quality of it, with fewer people and institutions, that information inevitably becomes dumbed down there is less life experience at work.
Today a handful of mega-conglomerates own 90+% of everything the American People see on television, hear on the radio on read in printed publications, they're monopolies more concerned about their own narrow self interests than covering the critical issues of the day affecting the American People as a whole on a wide range of subjects.
The U.S. has one of the lowest voting turnout rates in the Industrialized world.
U.S. voter turnout trails most developed countries
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/06/u-s-voter-turnout-trails-most-developed-countries/
My graph clearly illustrates the decline with the American People in identifying with the two major parties, and insofar as the Democratic Party is concerned this has been a trend for 27 years. Independents lead both parties by double digits.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Setsuna1972
(332 posts)People who make these types of do or die pledges make it sound like they're part of some cult. As in Jim Jones . You're making your candidate and fellow supporters look really bad .
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)And not worth seeing.
/ignore.
xloadiex
(628 posts)To cut it out.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)And CERTAINLY not from swarms of random strangers with an obsession to ruin the community we have here. It's like a zombie apocalypse descended on DU.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Love your subject line!
On to the convention!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And you don't speak for all Sanders supporters. Many are already moving on without you. You clearly aren't "ALL IN" as you clearly don't speak for "ALL". You do know some Sanders supporters right here on this board can't stand your message? Not saying they like some of ours any more.
Logical
(22,457 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)agracie
(950 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)A common mistake many new poker players make is playing too many hands, caught up in the excitement of the game they over play poor hands. Dont force weak hands, even for the odd time youll get a lucky flop, it wont pay in the long run to push weak cards. You might see Gus Hansen do it in the WSOP, but that doesnt mean you can do it online, Gus has a reputation and that allows him to get away with some crazy moves. Online players call more often than players in real world games, remember Chris Fergusons tip. Pump it or Dump it ~ if your hand isnt strong enough for a raise its too weak for a call!
Logical
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anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Imagine our surprise.
glowing
(12,233 posts)Seriously, as crappy as things are for so many people and how the world seems like its burning down for a handful of people's love obsession with a $ sign, what a freaking time to be alive in our history... I wonder, is this what it felt like nearly 100 yrs ago when the bankers were harming people and FDR came along? What a strange trip it is and should continue to be...
Squinch
(50,955 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Damned straight!
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)We ARE the revolution.
Look out Philadelphia, we are going to make history in your fair city!
Better stock up on the necessities for a few extra tourists come July 2016
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)To the convention, we go.