I stand with Skinner.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

I trust in Skinner's judgment and decision making. I see posters attacking him and I will defend him because he has always done us right. Skinner is a good man and a superb administrator.

Whatever he decides to do, I stand with Skinner.

[woolldog]

1. How courageous of you.

[TheBlackAdder]

45. There's a bunch of FREELOADERS without a star next to their Username who complain/instruct the site.

.



It's a shame others have to defend it.



Websites aren't free, and the guys who abuse the services the most, contribute the least financially!


It's like a party crasher who mooches off the food and entertainment and then complains about the host and guests!

They are nothing but disruptive and then in the end, one finds that they've also defiled the bathroom before leaving.


There are a shitload of complainers, about this site and its paying guests, on just this one OP alone.


===


It's like college loans, where everyone needs skin in the game--even the Millenials who inherit $17 Trillion in debt.

It's like state Democratic parties, barring people from participating unless you've registered months beforehand.


If you want to complain or instruct the site, the guests, the admins... pony up some cash and quit freeloading.


.

[woolldog]

58. I know right?

I hate when people do that.

[shraby]

2. +2000000000000000000000

[ProudToBeLiberal]

8. Ty. My friends always said I was good at brown nosing with my teachers. Nt

[leftofcool]

4. Skinner will do the right thing once the primary is over.

He always makes the announcement then who ever is not behind the nominee will leave.

[Silver_Witch]

7. I will still be here...

Lurking and laughing.....

I maybe silence (or maybe not) I will still believe in Bernie!

[leftofcool]

12. I don't care.

[nc4bo]

14. ^^Camp Hillary in a nutshell. nt

[silvershadow]

24. +9 million. They can even hide their Republican values. nt

[moriah]

28. Jury results. I alerted on Juror #5s comments.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:53 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

+9 million. They can even hide their Republican values. nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1862475

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling Hillary supporters Republicans is OTT and rude. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:05 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: More Sanders supporter insult and innuendo.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Huh?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: #BerbieBros are getting awfully tiresome. No matter how often they repeat this self-serving RW talking point they're still wrong and they're still insulting Democratic DU members.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Read the entire thread, and agree with hide. I still wish people would not encourage the closing of GDee when the voting isn't over, because it just creates these type of uncivil posts as a result of people feeling like the fact DU will HAVE to eventually go to GE footing is to suppress left sided criticism, when it's not.

But there is no need to say supporters of either of our candidates have Republican values.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He didn't call Clinton supporters Republicans, just that they shared some values. It's all part of lively debate.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

----

If you're going to serve on a jury and vote for a hide on incivility, at least be courteous enough to keep your own incivility out of the jury results.

[moriah]

31. Also, what the hell is a Berbie Bro?

Closest I can think of is a person really affectionate for Berber carpets....

(Using a touchscreen myself due to a disability, I deleted "Bernice" from my dictionary just to make sure it never showed up as a suggestion.)

[Bobbie Jo]

47. Agreed.

Glad to see that you alerted on these results, because jurors who refuse to hide such blatant insults aren't participating in good faith, either.

[moriah]

48. Well, that's what the jury is supposed to decide.

Given at first even a tie was supposed to be left instead of hidden, until they fixed the number of jurors, overall the system is supposed to be in the favor of not suppressing speech.

But the anonymous nature of the juror commenys/results shouldn't let incivility be allowed in the explanations. It's easy enough to take pot shots under a pseudonym, but totally anonymously? Nope.

[Bobbie Jo]

50. Absolutely agree

Just taking a cue from Skinner himself...

Going forward if we see anyone voting to leave the worst-of-the-worst posts, or voting in a nakedly partisan fashion to hide posts which are clearly legitimate, then we will remove that person's ability to serve on juries. (We are not going to provide any notification to members who lose their jury privileges, because under the messed-up values of primary season we think many of you would see it as some kind of badge of honor.)

So, please, do the right thing when serving and let's clean this place up a bit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=5098

The post in question was a blatant insult, I'm not seeing any other purpose it may have served other than that. Enabling this kind of backbiting is one of the reasons the system isn't working.

[moriah]

51. I didn't disclose which juror I was, but jf you've seen many....

... of my posts, it's pretty clear. I have not been active in the Primary here much because I managed to re-tear an ankle ligament just before January, and had surgery to repair it on March 15th. I'm really only now delurking, but then again I had my "trial by fire" by finding this place in 2008 as a Hillary supporter.... I know how ugly the primaries can be, and prefer DU when we're working together to elect our Nominees.

[Bobbie Jo]

56. I was here for that too

I was an Obama supporter at the time, but I wouldn't have had a problem voting for Hillary if that's the way it went. Yeah, it was scrappy but I don't remember it being anywhere near this bad. Maybe I've forgotten much of it...

All this to say, you can call me a lot of things but conservative, RW'er, or Republican is about as insulting as it gets with me. I don't have a right-leaning bone in my body, and I get tired of being spat upon with this lie. For the record, that was NOT my alert, it just hit me the wrong way.

I appeciate your civility here. Take care of that ankle...

We'll make it through this one too, we always do.

[moriah]

57. Well, it was more that most of DU agreed with you....

... and as an opinionated newb, I took my share of crap.

But I joined DU because I am a Democrat. I wish that the two-party system wasn't so locked in that more progress could be made (had a coworker who was a huge Nader supporter in 2000, and I was too concerned about how in 1992 a split in the conservative electorate really helped Clinton so I wanted to avoid a split in the liberal electorate, and even then people were trying to Nader-trade for Florida.) I've supported ranked choice voting as the only solution since.

I vividly remember saying, when it was finally called that Shrub was going to be our President, that we were going to be at war with Iraq before his first term was out. I hsd the opportunity to participate in the Iraq War protests, and narrowly missed the April 7, 2003 NYC mass arrest that ended up costing the city millions. But we still were luckier than the Oakland protesters that day.

But I always admired Hillary, if for nothing other than the sheer amount of crap she was able to take and come out still determined to keep on making progress. I didn't understand, when she'd always been Bill's "go to" as Governor in Arkansas when I was growing up there, why suddenly she was so hated in 1992 and 1993. It made no sense to me.

I don't know how many people much younger than me remember just HOW much the right hated her then -- I was born in 1980. I was more politically aware than a lot of kids because my family watched the news and CSPAN more than anything else (why did Iran-Contra have to happen over the summer? No tv except Saturday mornings other than CSpan for me that whole long summer)...

Now I am starting to feel old, and darn it, 36 isn't old!

Take care...

[nc4bo]

13. Keep the tar hot, the pitchforks sharp and the torch wicks trimmed.

Because if She is the nominee, there will be neverending controversy and if it's not her, Bill will be the bull in a china shop.

Folks think that GOP Benghaaazi shit was entertaining, ain't seen nuttin' yet!!

Tried to warn, they wouldn't or couldn't listen. We get to say we told you so.

Oh Mm Gee, the times will certainly be interesting.

[synergie]

25. I'm not sure why you think it would be any different if Bernie was the nominee.

He's got quite a few not so well hidden skeletons in his closet, and Jane has legal trouble. You seem to think that because Hillary didn't go there and the media was too busy building him up to make a horse race, that he could withstand something he's never had to before, people ACTUALLY campaigning against him. The videos, the records and his own statements would be fodder for never ending controversy, and Jane's peccadilloes would not help the matter. The stuff they throw at Hillary and Bill are made up nonsense that fall under the weight of even the slightest of scrutiny, it's why they keep yelling that the lack of evidence is proof of something.

You don't quite understand that you're not warning of anything, and should anyone bother doing some background on Jane and Bernie, you'll find out why we've been saying that we told you so. Why do you think they're going the Romney and Trump route of playing coy games (badly) with their tax records?

[GreatGazoo]

33. So wrong. Wow.

The media built up Sanders (!?) By ignoring him and then repeating every strawman ?

Sanders ran against both major parties, their donors, the NRA, etc. -- that doesn't count?

Hillary Clinton won't go there -- since when?

etc etc

[synergie]

34. They didn't ignore him, he's had more airtime and positive coverage than anyone other than

Trump, and they go out of their way to not challenge any of his strawman arguments or even outright lies.

Sanders didn't actually run against both major parties in his tiny state, and he was funded BY the NRA, without whose backing he wouldn't have won, so no he has never run against anyone that was challenging him. The NRA is supporting him now.

Hillary Clinton hasn't gone there, since this started. Nor has anyone challenged his hypocrisy or pointed out his errors. etc. etc.

If he had won, you guys would have been bawling about everything they would expose to you about his history. He doesn't meet the purity tests he's been setting up. It's not an attack, it's simply the truth about his history, the NRA gives him the best ratings in the Dem contest, and the Brady group the worst. He's never been attacked, the Kochs and the RW were supporting him with their SuperPacs for a reason, they could eviscerate the guy pretty easily, and Hillary has been pulling her punches. You're upset because her factually correct statements haven't actually attempted to attack him at all. If she was going to go there, Bernie would have been toast quite some time ago.

[GreatGazoo]

42. well enjoy your little fantasy world I guess

[moriah]

35. If you trust Matt Drudge....

Who's the one who started circulating the photo and claiming it came from anonymous Clinton related sources...

.. but people are freaking out over David Brock, when he at least DID give a giant mea culpa and MediaMatters has overall fought GOP spin quite well...

I really don't think I would trust either with my cat for a week, but Drudge isn't some trustworthy progressive hero by a long shot.

[GreatGazoo]

43. don't have to trust Drudge, just Maggie Williams

Maggie Williams, campaign manager for Clinton, played down the significance of the picture. "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely."

same link

[moriah]

44. Well, actually, I agree on the significance of the photo -- none.

Absolutely nothing wrong at all with his dress, bearing, or demeanor in the photo.

I just don't trust Matt Drudge that the origin of the photo was a Clinton staffer distributing it to make Obama look bad. He was the one who actually got the photo in the MSM by his alleged "story". It certainly did nothing to help Hillary, and was instead used heavily by the RW. Just smells way too much like RW ratfuckery, given the source.

[Petrushka]

36. Hillary should call Jane's bluff.

"Call her bluff, Hillary! Now's the time to show 'em---the transcripts, that is."

[synergie]

37. Oh absolutely, by pointing out that Jane and Bernie have not done what they promised to do

and what she and Bill have done. Pointing out who exactly is failing miserably at transparency would be a good thing. But she doesn't need to, Jane's kind of terrible and childish Trumpism on this issue is bad enough on its own.

Just why are they being so Romney like with their taxes, it's bizarre. Even more so is how and why they've been allowed to get away with it for so long. It's May and they haven't disclosed anything yet? While being ridiculous hypocrites?

Calling her bluff would be pointing out how many of her tax records she's released and the caginess and lack of transparency from Sanders. They said they'd release stuff and failed to do so, and what they released is pretty obviously not the full records, even for the single year they released.

She could do one of those patented Bernie moves, here are my tax records for the past 30 years, where are yours, that goes for both Trump and Bernie.

[Petrushka]

41. Here's one link where you'll find the FULL tax return Jane released---the one that was promised:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/15/sen-bernie-sanders-releases-tax-returns-2014/83074944/


Transparency being the name of the game, surely there's nothing in the transcripts that might embarrass Hillary, is there? I mean:

When first asked to release the transcripts, she said she'd look into it.

Next, she said she'd release them when Bernie released his, but he hadn't given any speeches like hers.

Then, she said she'd release the transcripts when all other candidates released theirs. Nobody else made any speeches to release.

When it became obvious that she was the one and only candidate out of the whole bunch who had made any paid speeches to Wall Street types, she decided everybody was picking on her, expecting her to show something no male candidate for the presidency had ever been asked to show. Wasn't it Transparency enough that years and years of Clinton's tax returns were released and available online?**

Why haven't Sanders' tax returns been released, huh? Tell her that! She wants to see his tax returns before she shows her transcripts. That's all. Is that asking too much?

So, is shes saying that when Sanders---and Trump, of course---release all tax returns, maybe then she'll release the transcripts?

Yes. Maybe. She'll look into it, as she said from the very beginning. Trust her! She'll look into it.

_______________________________
**But, where are the transcripts?

[Silver_Witch]

63. Agree 100%!

[Surya Gayatri]

26. Doing it all wrong...

[book_worm]

55. Really, who cares?

[Silver_Witch]

62. Apparently not you, eh?

Do you think you can hurt my feelings by being a no-face, no-name, anonymous poster? I shall stay just to bother you - as I clearly do.

[Samantha]

59. What makes you think that (eom)

[Purveyor]

5. Yeah, me too. He puts up with me and my outta the box

OP's...

[stonecutter357]

29. +1000

[Silver_Witch]

6. I stand with Skinner two or three or four!!

[hrmjustin]

9. I don't see a purge coming. Those who can't support Hillary in the general will

just have to refrain from posting about their decision after the primary mode is over here.

[nc4bo]

10. Not to be ornery but you really should consider donating to DU

not only gets rid of the god awful ads, it helps pad the pockets of the admins. Clinton dollas can only go so far.....

and DU's kinda cool actually even at the height of primary awful season.

$1, $5, $20 ....good for a year.

No ads. In addition to a few perks. No ads.

....I sure do miss the grovelbot days!!

[Jeffersons Ghost]

11. Me too unless he decides to sell DU to Karl Rove or Rupert Murdoch

[aikoaiko]

16. Blind loyalty - no surprise there.

Please proceed.

[marble falls]

17. I support Skinner.

[lumberjack_jeff]

67. Of course... we all do. On any free site, the user is the product being sold. n/t

[marble falls]

68. Funny boy. What makes you think you aren't being bought and sold every other minute of ...

your snarky life?

I support Skinner and DU because I haven't found another site where the founders have stayed true and interested for the length of time that DU itself has been around. And there is no other site that has been able to keep its members from eating each other and still maintain the width of the opinions held here.

If you don't like the value of that transaction, go strike a better a deal.

[lumberjack_jeff]

70. I like Skinner and support him in my small way.

Stand with him? Not completely, he's backing the wrong candidate, to our detriment.

[Barack_America]

18. These threads always amuse me.

Skinner the rockstar and his faithful following.

Maybe he lives up to the hype, I dunno. Never met him. I suspect he's just a guy. But I have enjoyed his website. Sad to see it losing its soul, really.

[oasis]

19. We may snag a convert or two while waiting for the final curtain.

no hurry.

[rhett o rick]

20. You will go along with whatever he decides to do? Not surprised at all.

I would question your use of "liberal" in your name. Liberals tend to be a little more independent and not just follow along.

[Hiraeth]

22. lol

ironic with your Bernie avatar.

[Warren DeMontague]

23. He also has a rich, luxurious baritone singing voice which purrs like soft velvet.

True story.

[Surya Gayatri]

27. With all of its wrinkles, DU is still one of the best-run forums on the Web.

It's Skinner's site and it's his call.

[silvershadow]

30. It is but right now it looks like a waterlogged shar-pei. nt

[stonecutter357]

32. " this posts has been hidden by a DU Jury"

[snowy owl]

38. You are Republican? Sounds like the "strong father" frame from Lakeoff.

Think for yourself, man.

[ibegurpard]

39. you're so brave

Truly

[bvf]

46. Yes. Nothing like taking a principled stand.

[coyote]

40. A Clinton supporter standing with one of their own

You done good, ProudToBeLiberal, you done good.

[Hiraeth]

49. I always picture him sitting, cocked back in one of those swivel desk chairs.

[CoffeeCat]

52. Most likely rolling his eyes

most of the time.

It's cray cray in here. I can't even imagine what life was like for these admins before the jury system was in place.

OMG...can you imagine?!

No one tells you when you start a messageboard that what you're really doing is signing up to become a full-time adult babysitter.

[Hiraeth]

54. quite possibly. and Yes, this jury system was a very innovative, diabolical solution to what was

probably their #1 headache/time sucker.

[Smarmie Doofus]

53. Brave of you. nt

[Jesus Malverde]

60. Who got the ban hammer?

Haven't been paying attention.

[Miles Archer]

61. Okay

I trust in Skinner's judgment

I don't know him personally, so while I respect your decision, I tend to trust people I know. I don't distrust him, but I don't know him...you know?

I see posters attacking him and I will defend him

I don't attack him, and my guess is that he is an adult and can defend himself, so my battles are elsewhere, because I don't know him (see above).

Skinner is a good man

Again, see above. He might be a good man. Wouldn't know until I met him face to face and experienced that, and I haven't, and most likely never will.

Whatever he decides to do, I stand with Skinner.

I'll continue to respect the fact that this is his Website, and act accordingly. For me, that will probably take the form of sticking to The Lounge and staying out of conversations regarding Hillary Clinton when I am in GD.

And he can do whatever he decides to do, and as I said above, he's an adult who can stand for himself. It's largely a political website, he owns it, he's entitled to his views, and if I don't agree with them, I'll keep it to myself.

I've never been the type to go with the crowd unless the crowd was going where I wanted to go, and the 2016 General Election isn't going to change that.

Your post has garnered some high fives and some insults, but it's your right to do what you think you need to do.

[AgingAmerican]

64. I don't

Skinner is just a guy, not a deity.

[TSIAS]

65. This is a common theme amongst HRC supporters

They seem to be blindly devoted to people, not ideals.

[auntpurl]

66. Rubbish.

One of the most outspoken critics of the way this website is being run is a Hillary supporter.

[Kentonio]

69. You don't PROUDLY stand with him?

What kind of half-hearted support is this?!