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Related: About this forumColin Powell Blows Up Republican Email Scandal By Agreeing With Hillary Clinton
Former Sec. of State Colin Powell is standing with Hillary Clinton after the State Department retroactively classified some of his emails and is refusing to release them to the public.
Powell reacted to an NBC News report that the State Department is retroactively classifying his emails by calling for all of his emails to be released.
Powell said, I wish they would release them, so that a normal, air-breathing mammal would look at them and say, Whats the issue? They were unclassified at the time, and they are, in my judgment, still unclassified.
Clinton campaign manager John Podesta said in a statement, This announcement about Secretary Powells emails shows just how routine it is for government bureaucrats to go overboard when it comes to judging whether information is too sensitive for the public to see. Hillary Clinton agrees with her predecessor that his emails, like hers, are being inappropriately subjected to over-classification. She joins his call for these emails to be released so that the public can view the contents for itself.
The State Departments bureaucratic retroactive classification of emails has gone beyond the bounds of common sense. Republicans love to use the reclassification of the emails as circumstantial proof that Clinton must have done something wrong.
Now that the State Department is classifying emails from the Bush administration, Republicans are in a bind. The idea that Clinton did something wrong has been dealt a death blow. Republicans will use their favorite tactic of ignoring the Powell and Rice emails while talking about Clinton, but the idea that Hillary Clinton was illegally leaking classified information has been wounded now that the former Republican administration is also under scrutiny.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/04/colin-powell-blows-up-republican-email-scandal-by-agreeing-with-hillary-clinton.html
grasswire
(50,130 posts)You sure you want to post it?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)which makes the issues of classified versus unclassified vastly different.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Cuz if they also kept servers in their basements and were their own service provider, well then I think you might have a point.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)It is not just simply the emails. At one point, some very important classified information that was on the State Department system was removed and put on Hillary's server which had no encryption at that time for security purposes. That some people are saying -- removing classified information and storing it in an unsecured place -- is a felony. I am not saying it is or is not; I just reporting what I heard. I believe that puts those emails in a totally different arena -- the espionage arena. Then they look at intent. Did the person committing the act have an intent to actually harm the United States. No, in this case. Was the person careless with classified information? Yes. So that actually puts this in a different category (the intent factor) that could warrant a lesser penalty than going to prison.
Then there was also an email exchange between Sidney Blumenthal and Hillary where a person's true name was actually typed out as opposed to his or her code name. This was an act similar to the one where Valerie Plame had her cover blown, except that was deliberate and this was carelessness. When people learned about this, they were outraged, saying the revelation of that person's true name could cause great harm to come to him.
There is just so much to go over here, but the hacker that was brought into the United States to testify who said he spent about six hours daily reading Hillary's emails and shared them with other countries is quite a problem, to put it mildly.
Sam
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)It's like we're living in crazyworld where the "progressive who gets things done" is the cheater in chief, but everyone does it, right? And cheating's OK, cuz yanno, Martha Stewart did it and fellatio isn't having sex and ha ha ha ha ha "Look at me!".
Good grief.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)Clnton's server had encryption, the Fortigate security device was using self-signed certificates for a few months. Clinton did not log on and access her server via HTTPS, she used her blackberry and VPN where the log on credentials were preset
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-04/clinton-s-e-mail-system-built-for-privacy-though-not-security
Samantha
(9,314 posts)The article I read explained this. Hillary's server had no encryption in the beginning so whatever she had was not protected. Some of the material was moved from the State Department to her server, and some of that was classified. That material was not protected in the beginning either. I did read Hillary's server had encryption installed about three months later.
I do not know how the hacker was able to sit and read Hillary's emails for sometimes 6 hours a day because that was not explained in the article I read. So perhaps he simply hacked her server independently once he had an address. No clue have I had he managed to read her emails, but someone else (like you) might be able to make an educated guess. And yes, I know she used her blackberry and people say she read confidential information that way, but I do not know how speculators know what she was reading when she used that device.
Thanks.
Sam
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)essential thread malfunction repeatedly--WHY?
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)He said he used personal emails, but did not have a server, and did not do all of the iffy things she did. In the full interview he said that the cases were not alike and he did not want to comment on it.
also
The bible of the HRC supporters gave your claim 3 Pinocchios
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/10/the-misleading-democratic-spin-on-hillary-clintons-emails/
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)The issue is with a personal server off site, using tricks to get around security protocols for convince, and purging they system instead of turning them over. Powell also used the laptop they gave and not personal cell. The fact they used Personal emails are not the issue...plus Powell did not even use it in the same way. Trying to twist the argument will make us look like we are fake and corrupt as Democrats. Let the findings find what they will and don't try to spin it so we look like we are part of a cover up before we even know if there are charges.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Here are some more facts for the silly conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rice-aides-powell-also-got-classified-info-personal-emails-n511181
In an interview with NBC News, Powell challenged the conclusion, saying nothing that went to his personal account was secret. Rice did not initially respond to an interview request.
In a letter to Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy dated Feb. 3, State Department Inspector General Steve Linick said that the State Department has determined that 12 emails examined from State's archives contained national security information now classified "Secret" or "Confidential." The letter was read to NBC News.
Two of the messages were sent to Powell's personal account, and 10 were sent to personal accounts of Rice's senior aides, the letter said.
None of the messages were marked classified when originally sent, and none were determined to include information from the intelligence community, Linick said in the document....
Linick's findings will be seen as helpful to Clinton, because they show that past secretaries of state and senior officials used personal accounts to conduct government business and occasionally allowed secrets to spill into the insecure traffic.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:51 PM - Edit history (1)
This was one of the talking point Hillary put out, what SHE tried to pretend it was about. It is NOT about retroactive classifying of emails.It is about doing ALL of your government work on a private, UNSECURE, UNENCRYPTED server.
On that server she had at least 22 emails that were at the highest level of classification, the very top of the TOP SECRET classification. These emails were passed around to a number of her people who didn't have the proper clearance to receive such information.
One example someone gave was of a dating site that was hacked and had all their information put out on the internet. . . they had security that was 64,000 TIMES better than Hillary had.
That is only ONE of the issues. It is illegal to have classified information outside of the secure government system. And that's the ONLY thing Hillary had for ALL of her work.
Again, it is NOT about re-classification. . . that is the talking point Hillary put out. She also said it was a routine security check. Someone called the FBI and asked about that. The FBI didn't talk about the case but said the only thing they do is criminal investigations.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)You can always tell what the source will be based on the title.