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dinkytron

(568 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:01 AM Apr 2016

She'll get the nom but shame on Hillary supporters for being OK with not releasing the transcripts!

Don't you want to know what was said to the money people behind closed doors? Don't you think we are entitled to know? Don't you think it reeks of entitlement? Don't you think they will get leaked in the general? Sheesh.

Two words: President Trump.

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She'll get the nom but shame on Hillary supporters for being OK with not releasing the transcripts! (Original Post) dinkytron Apr 2016 OP
They are afraid of what is in those transcripts... Human101948 Apr 2016 #1
If they don't get leaked in the general you can bet that they will dinkytron Apr 2016 #2
emails and stuff. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #3
No Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #4
Apples and oranges. False equivalency Desperate. feeble argument. dinkytron Apr 2016 #5
Yes, it IS a false equivalency ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #31
But her meme is I told them to cut it out. So lets see if that is true. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #49
She said that as a sitting NY senator. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #55
I think you are afraid to find out what she said, it would be another issue you could not defend insta8er Apr 2016 #70
I couldn't care less what she said. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #71
Understood, no morals or convictions..just fandom..I understand thank you. You just did a step back insta8er Apr 2016 #90
I think "fandom" is more accurately described ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #94
A fool and her SS Check are soon parted, a fool and her loved ones send of to war... insta8er Apr 2016 #95
No. What "bothers" me ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #96
Why would you care that WE the people still fund him? you should care about the corporations insta8er Apr 2016 #97
Yadda, yadda, yadda. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #98
Unfortunately, I think she could have said just about anything and a lot of her supporters would be Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #87
Exactly!!!!! hamsterjill Apr 2016 #57
I actually consider taxes more important than speeches Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #99
What if Cheney was running for POTUS and gave paid speeches jack_krass Apr 2016 #6
This place would have gone ballistic back in the day! GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #7
There would be people screaming to high heaven, G_j Apr 2016 #8
Cheney had meetings with Oil and Energy groups radical noodle Apr 2016 #81
Don't you dare jehop61 Apr 2016 #9
Don't want any backtalk? redwitch Apr 2016 #21
Ta-da! kayakjohnny Apr 2016 #69
Do you people all follow the same script? arcane1 Apr 2016 #26
i think maybe the whole deal mooseprime Apr 2016 #78
OK Hillary. KPN Apr 2016 #30
She won't release them because it would cause your candidate to not be nominated. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #50
Yawn trumad Apr 2016 #10
Take a nap if if you're tired. And its not a one trick pony. She is dipped in secrecy and dinkytron Apr 2016 #19
You guys really bore the shit out of me... trumad Apr 2016 #20
"Right wing shit?" Low blow. How so? Please, tell me how come, during an election cycle in which dinkytron Apr 2016 #25
Lol. KPN Apr 2016 #33
Snooze trumad Apr 2016 #64
We've read her private emails, her tax returns, her health records, JaneyVee Apr 2016 #11
We won't know enough until DURHAM D Apr 2016 #12
Repubs gonna ask for a trans-vaginal probe and uterus check. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #13
and BS supporters DURHAM D Apr 2016 #15
lying scumbags? I did not have sex with that woman...and there was sniper fire fire fire bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #54
LOL. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #28
Boxers or briefs? No, wait, that is for men Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #56
What if the Bernie supporters agreed to vote for her if the transcripts are clean? floriduck Apr 2016 #36
And how would you set up that elaborate project? JaneyVee Apr 2016 #40
It would need to be coordinated through the two campaigns, not me. floriduck Apr 2016 #52
I replied but since you didn't respond, I'll assume you're not interested. nm floriduck Apr 2016 #91
That is probably somewhat true. Third Wayers have always been more concerned KPN Apr 2016 #38
Lol, you would be good if she murdered someone. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #86
It's no one's business. It is her Intellectual Property. No candidate has ever had to do this. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #14
Well... there are those other problems - DURHAM D Apr 2016 #17
Nobody cares. Seriously. Nobody cares. Recursion Apr 2016 #16
and the wars and coups, and the BlackRock Capital, and the-- MisterP Apr 2016 #18
Tax returns? kstewart33 Apr 2016 #22
You have to admit this topic lies in uncharted territory. randome Apr 2016 #23
Yes we have. KPN Apr 2016 #41
I don't remember anyone demanding he release the transcripts of any private speeches, though. randome Apr 2016 #46
The goal is to cut the direct pipeline between elected officials and big money. KPN Apr 2016 #75
She doesn't need to release the transcripts. Her own deeds and words already reveal Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #24
this is like when republicans went NUTS wanting obama's college transcript La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #27
Oh please. Totally false comparison. About all they have in common is the word "transcript". dinkytron Apr 2016 #34
No it is a very similar obsession La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #39
No. KPN Apr 2016 #43
Haven't you notice--the call for those trancripts are from Sanders and his supporters only...n/t asuhornets Apr 2016 #29
Because you don't care obviously ... KPN Apr 2016 #44
I hope she never releases them---you and Bernie---just lookin for dirt..eom asuhornets Apr 2016 #48
Don't have to look. The dirt's pretty obvious. KPN Apr 2016 #74
And the call for Bernie's tax returns are from Hillary's supporters. -none Apr 2016 #47
I don't care about Bernie's tax returns---anymore... asuhornets Apr 2016 #53
Good. -none Apr 2016 #62
Agreed.... asuhornets Apr 2016 #63
You just lookin for dirt...eom asuhornets Apr 2016 #32
The GOP will be making my "search" for dirt look like an easter egg hunt. dinkytron Apr 2016 #37
Hillary has been fighting off the GOP for 25 years---she ain't scared. asuhornets Apr 2016 #45
Is Hillary Clinton really the foreign policy super-hawk she is portrayed to be? tirebiter Apr 2016 #35
Yay, you made my bookmarks for the daily President Trump post. joshcryer Apr 2016 #42
I saw one live, I'm good. Agschmid Apr 2016 #51
^This Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #58
Enjoy one of those dangerous speeches Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #59
I honestly have no desire to know about... LenaBaby61 Apr 2016 #60
Good for Hillary! Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #61
You Bernie-ites still can't understand tonyt53 Apr 2016 #65
Those people aren't running for the highest office in the land, those people aren't going around onecaliberal Apr 2016 #68
Good grief! leftofcool Apr 2016 #66
It's a non-issue. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #67
blablablatranscriptblablablaoligarcyblablablablablanooneisassmartasmeblablabla Squinch Apr 2016 #72
None of your business. Quit telling us we need to feel shame for this or that rhetoric. seabeyond Apr 2016 #73
Shame on you. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #76
Trump will narrate them for us.... as Hill wilts yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #77
I didn't care about it then. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #79
Seriously? She was a private citizen at the time. pandr32 Apr 2016 #80
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #82
Ha ha Buzz cook Apr 2016 #89
Thought of it myself. Press Virginia Apr 2016 #93
. Dem2 Apr 2016 #83
Shame on Sanders asking for the transcripts without delivering his Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #84
They know the shit she said and don't want their idol exposed. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #85
I given my reasons for why Clinton should not release the transcripts Buzz cook Apr 2016 #88
Nope, don't care. Hillary Haters just want a witch hunt. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #92
 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
1. They are afraid of what is in those transcripts...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:04 AM
Apr 2016

From the comments of those who heard the speeches, Hillary kissed the asses of the Wall Streeters and told them they were the gods they think they are. For that kind of money I would do the same thing, but it just won't go over well with the voters.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
2. If they don't get leaked in the general you can bet that they will
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:09 AM
Apr 2016

be paraphrased by some that attended and probably turned into political ads. She will lose this election all by herself.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
4. No
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:11 AM
Apr 2016

I don't care. As a private citizen, she can give any such speech. And what about Bernie's taxes. Why won't he release them?

dinkytron

(568 posts)
5. Apples and oranges. False equivalency Desperate. feeble argument.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:14 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)

You know it and I know it.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
31. Yes, it IS a false equivalency ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

There is a precedent for candidates to release full and complete tax returns. There is NO precedent for releasing transcripts of speeches.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
55. She said that as a sitting NY senator.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

She never claimed to have said that in a speech she gave while a private citizen.

You might at least TRY to get the facts straight once in a while.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
70. I think you are afraid to find out what she said, it would be another issue you could not defend
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016

about your morally corrupt candidate.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
71. I couldn't care less what she said.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

And the vast majority of the populace couldn't care less.

Oh, and BTW, if this is such an important issue, why was no one demanding transcripts before the first week in February, when Chuck Todd mentioned them? The incredibly astute Bernie folks never even bothered to find out whether there were any transcripts, audio recordings, or videos until then.

Bernie has lost any chance at the nomination. That's the fact. So any hope of digging through transcripts and finding a "gotcha" statement to change that fact have been rendered moot.

It's time to accept that HRC is the nominee, and move on.



 

insta8er

(960 posts)
90. Understood, no morals or convictions..just fandom..I understand thank you. You just did a step back
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

in the evolutionary ladder.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
94. I think "fandom" is more accurately described ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

... as people who think the man who said "It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party" isn't a hypocrite.

One can only wonder where Bernie's "morals and convictions" went when he did a complete about-face and ran on the Democratic ticket, or how he described his reason for doing so as "needing the media attention" he would only get by being a hypocrite.

Bernie is a flim-flam man who used the Dem Party to advance his own political career - and who is now fleecing his donors by insisting he still has a "path to the nomination" when he knows full well he doesn't.

Well, as they say, "A fool and his $27 are soon parted."

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
95. A fool and her SS Check are soon parted, a fool and her loved ones send of to war...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

but I guess the $27 seems to be bothering you more. More than the fact that hillary will screw you and the rest of the country over by handing her buddies on wall street the countries Social Security pot. Something even the Republicans could not pull off. But why would you want to talk about that? rather focusing on someone who wants to do something about this scourge of the elite class ripping this country off with their backdoor deals. I guess you would rather try to find a problem with the guy who is not a millionaire and stick it to him instead of the one that you know is gaming the system, on behalf of her paymasters. You once again showed how we can go backwards as a society by just looking the other way. Look....>>>>>a squirrel.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
96. No. What "bothers" me ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

... is people insisting that Bernie is honest, straightforward and ethical - when he so obviously isn't.

He's taking donations under the false pretense that he can still "win it", when everyone knows his chances of "winning it" are down to zero.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
97. Why would you care that WE the people still fund him? you should care about the corporations
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:50 PM
Apr 2016

like the fracking industry, the banking industry, the pharmaceutical companies who are pushing the money towards Clinton. All because she is going to go after them when she is president(yeah right). Are you really that of a devotee to your candidate that her being bought by a bunch of corporations that ultimately will want her to do their bidding vs the regular folks giving who the hell they want to give money to? you seriously have your priorities mixed up. You do understand why she said during the townhall that fracking should be possible in a controlled way right? BECAUSE SHE IS PAID BY THOSE SOB's FROM THE FRACKING INDUSTRY. Why she said that there is no way for Single Payer...BECAUSE SHE IS BEING PAID BY BIG PHARMA!!! and they don't want government control on pricing. Meanwhile you fret about regular folks giving 27 bucks to a socialist.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
98. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

Thanks for the usual list of cliches. It's been at least fifteen minutes since I last heard them.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
87. Unfortunately, I think she could have said just about anything and a lot of her supporters would be
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:21 PM
Apr 2016

A-OK with it. I mean, principles and convictions are so yesterday.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
99. I actually consider taxes more important than speeches
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

As for desperation, Why should I be desperate? She has won. I don't care about the speeches...she got the banks to fork over their money...good for her.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
6. What if Cheney was running for POTUS and gave paid speeches
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:26 AM
Apr 2016

to the tune of 100 million dollaars to Oil and Defense companies. Would we be wrong to demand to see the transcripts?

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
81. Cheney had meetings with Oil and Energy groups
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

as the sitting VP and never released what they discussed.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
9. Don't you dare
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

shame me for anything. I have a right to vote for the person I select without any backtalk from you. Where's Bernie's tax returns, if you're looking for some "dirt" on someone?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
26. Do you people all follow the same script?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:02 PM
Apr 2016

I swear, your posts are all copy/pasted versions of the same post.

mooseprime

(474 posts)
78. i think maybe the whole deal
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

is software generated. and there are armies of drones underground somewhere who just point and click.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
19. Take a nap if if you're tired. And its not a one trick pony. She is dipped in secrecy and
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:03 PM
Apr 2016

big money. And there is plenty else to beef about.

on edit: And its not old news because it is still unresolved. Totally within her power to put and end to the speculation and make it old news.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
20. You guys really bore the shit out of me...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

All this right wing shit is dumbing down the place.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
25. "Right wing shit?" Low blow. How so? Please, tell me how come, during an election cycle in which
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

"big money in politics" & "Citizens United" are at the forefront of the dialogue, do you and so many others find a desire for transparency regarding the G.S. transcripts, echoed by so many progressives beside me, to be so loathsome and annoying?

It's not fun bringing it up for the umpteenth time. But until it's resolved which is well whithin Hillary's power to do so, it's still a vital issue.

Are we supposed get tired of asking? Or shamed into not bringing it up anymore?

Look, my candidate did not fold his tent yet. I plan to vote in CA primary. When it's done, if she has the nomination, "I'm with her".

Also, maybe your scapegoating me for all the BS around here but really, the knife cuts both ways.

Finally, fuck Goldman Sachs, merchants of misery.













KPN

(15,646 posts)
33. Lol.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016

That's grand. We bore you so much you spend half your day typing nonsensical retorts.

I agree, all the right wing shit Hillary supporters push IS dumbing down the place. But then again, DU has always had a 3rd Way, right wing element

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
11. We've read her private emails, her tax returns, her health records,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

Her books, her testimonies on the Hill, she's been vetted for 25 years. Im good. Theres even video:



And my cousin works for GS , attended a speech, said it was 45 minutes of talking about how to improve access to capital for people in places of extreme poverty such as sub-saharan Africa. Boring wonky stuff.

I think we've probed this woman enough and far more than anyone else running.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
12. We won't know enough until
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

someone has gone in her house, removed her underwear drawer from her dresser or closet, and brought it outside and emptied it on to the driveway where it must be filmed and inventoried.

After that we will need a long discussion about style and brand so we can determine which corporation(s) she is beholden to.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
15. and BS supporters
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

It has been my experience that the person(s) who keeps calling for more investigation and information and like to point fingers are themselves the dishonest/lying scumbags.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
36. What if the Bernie supporters agreed to vote for her if the transcripts are clean?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

Would you be willing to have her release them then? Or are you so sure she'll win, she shouldn't have to release them. I'm just trying to figure out your logic. And I believe Bernie will need to release his 2015 tax returns too.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
40. And how would you set up that elaborate project?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

Go into the voting booth with them? Make them sign an affidavit?

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
52. It would need to be coordinated through the two campaigns, not me.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

But I'm just curious if that agreement would be worth anyone's time and effort. Please understand the risk. If Hillary did sell all of us a bill of goods, we'd know it and it could further threaten her campaign. But if her speeches were clean and no hints of favors or back room support, then everyone would know and could vote to support her.

The same goes for Bernies tax returns. If he was hiding funds to shelter from paying taxes, that would tell all of us a lot about his character. So the risk goes both ways.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
38. That is probably somewhat true. Third Wayers have always been more concerned
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:19 PM
Apr 2016

about poverty and growing a middle class in third world countries than they have about working class Americans' economically security. Its a better fit for their "enlightened" economic growth agenda (read: greater personal wealth horizons via expanded markets/cheap labor).

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
14. It's no one's business. It is her Intellectual Property. No candidate has ever had to do this.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

Unlike TAXES which Sanders refuses to release in full.

As for shame… well. I'm not the one supporting a candidate who lied about being invited to the Vatican by the Pope to speak or who touts 5% growth during his Administration.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Nobody cares. Seriously. Nobody cares.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

FFS. I don't like the woman, and I voted against her, but nobody cares.

Literally, nobody cares which particular focus-grouped bromides she chose to speak on that day as opposed to the next.

Nobody cares. Do you understand that?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. You have to admit this topic lies in uncharted territory.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

We've never had a candidate before who had periods of time between public service and was highly paid to give speeches during that time. These were private speeches and I'm betting that any organization would not be pleased to have private speeches made public simply on principle.

The only reason they become a point of contention is for those who are hoping to find some snippet to use against her so I tend to discount the idea that they're important in any way.

As for the Trump angle, he won't dare make it an issue because the obvious response is for him to do the same and I would bet enormous amounts of money that his speeches are much more damaging to the idea of fairness and income equality.
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KPN

(15,646 posts)
41. Yes we have.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

Dick Cheney comes to mind for one. All of you probably ballyhooed about his ties to Halliburton.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
46. I don't remember anyone demanding he release the transcripts of any private speeches, though.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe we did but I doubt I would have been on that particular bandwagon. And the obsession with Clinton has an only too obvious goal -to take down the Democratic Party's leading candidate. Which I don't see happening, regardless.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

KPN

(15,646 posts)
75. The goal is to cut the direct pipeline between elected officials and big money.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:00 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary just happens to have one of the biggest direct ties to big money. Being the front runner is incidental.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. She doesn't need to release the transcripts. Her own deeds and words already reveal
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

enough about her to see how she will govern. They would just confirm her Centrist/3rd Way/neolib politics.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
34. Oh please. Totally false comparison. About all they have in common is the word "transcript".
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:15 PM
Apr 2016

But don't let me stop you from spewing more nonsense.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
44. Because you don't care obviously ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

which means you are A-Okay with SuperPACs, big money influence in politics and law-making, and the corruption that is going on all the time, every day in Washington DC because of it. ...

OTHERWISE you'd be calling for the too.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
74. Don't have to look. The dirt's pretty obvious.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

You better hope she doesn't release them or your Third Way dream of the the next 4 years go Ka-pow!

-none

(1,884 posts)
47. And the call for Bernie's tax returns are from Hillary's supporters.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:29 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie already released those he needed to. If those transcripts weren't so damning damaging, they would have been released already. But none have been. That leads to the obvious conclusion that doing so would hurt her campaign. Correct?
Those transcripts should not have anything to do with Bernie's tax returns and everything to do with Hillary's honesty. And that is why she won't release them.

-none

(1,884 posts)
62. Good.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:50 PM
Apr 2016

Now we can concentrate on the issues that matter. Social Security, minimum wages, affordable health care for all, Living wage jobs, Getting out of the Middle East and cutting our so-called defense budget by 75% or more... You know, stuff that affects the average American trying to make it.

tirebiter

(2,537 posts)
35. Is Hillary Clinton really the foreign policy super-hawk she is portrayed to be?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:16 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/27/11504272/hillary-clinton-hawk

Late on Thursday, the New York Times magazine published a lengthy profile of Hillary Clinton under an illustration of her as a toy soldier and the headline "How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk."
The profile, by Mark Landler, traces her evolution on foreign policy, explores her legacy as secretary of state, and seeks to deduce a Clinton worldview. It's fascinating, deeply reported, and well worth reading. It also reiterates what is perhaps the defining piece of conventional wisdom about Hillary Clinton and foreign policy: she is a super-hawk.
"For all their bluster about bombing the Islamic State into oblivion, neither Donald J. Trump nor Senator Ted Cruz of Texas have demonstrated anywhere near the appetite for military engagement abroad that Clinton has," Landler writes.
"Unexpectedly, in the bombastic, testosterone-fueled presidential election of 2016, Hillary Clinton is the last true hawk left in the race," he adds.
A few hours after the piece went online, something else was published comparing the presidential candidates on foreign policy. And the story it told could not have been more different.
It was a simple scorecard, assembled by a non-partisan nuclear nonproliferation group called Global Zero, comparing the five remaining candidates on a battery of eight foreign policy issues.
On every issue that Global Zero measured, Clinton is indicated as far less hawkish than all three of the Republican candidates, and as basically tied with Bernie Sanders. She supports the Iran nuclear deal; the Republicans all oppose it. She supports using diplomacy to solve the North Korean nuclear crisis; John Kasich is the only Republican to do so. She supports negotiating with Russia to reduce nuclear weapons; no Republican candidate does.
This measured only policies related to nuclear weapons, and so is far from comprehensive. But on these major geopolitical challenges — including the Iranian and North Korean nuclear programs, which seem among the few crises that could plausibly draw the US into war — Clinton is significantly more dovish than all three Republican candidates.
How to reconcile these two seemingly contradictory stories about Hillary Clinton's foreign policy, in which the conventional wisdom portrays her as a super-hawk surpassing every remaining Republican, whereas a straight reading of her policies often suggests almost the exact opposite?
Put another way: Is the conventional wisdom right? Is Clinton really the biggest hawk in the race?
We have three distinct ways of evaluating a candidate's foreign policy, and you really need to look at all three: her past record, her current policies, and her larger worldview.
Taken together, in Clinton's case, these three metrics give a more complicated view of her foreign policy than the conventional wisdom suggests.
They reveal Clinton as someone who is exceptionally enthusiastic about the merits and potential of American engagement in the world. She is indeed, more than any other candidate in the race, a true believer in American power.
But Clinton's policies and past record suggest that her vision of power includes military force as well as diplomacy, so that while she is more likely to act in foreign affairs, she is also more likely to do so peacefully.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
60. I honestly have no desire to know about...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:44 PM
Apr 2016

What Hillary Clinton "possibly" said in her speeches, nor do I care about what's contained in Bernie & Jane Sander's taxes.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
61. Good for Hillary!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 04:45 PM
Apr 2016

...I don't need to see the transcripts and don't need to see all of Bernie's tax forms, either. I figured it all out on my own!

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
65. You Bernie-ites still can't understand
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:01 PM
Apr 2016

People are paid to speak by companies, groups, and organizations. They rarely ever speak about the business or functions of those groups. Rarely. They hire them to hear their life experiences. The more experiences, the more they are paid. The more influential the person, they are paid even more. Bernie has just not done anything that is of interest to anybody.

No, you, Bernie's wife, or any other Bernie supporter are entitled to anything of the sort. Entitled is a peculiar word for you to use also.

Go ahead and vote for Trump. Most Bernie supporters won't vote anyway and wouldn't in November if Bernie as the nominee. Your interest, and that of other like yourself, is far too short.

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
68. Those people aren't running for the highest office in the land, those people aren't going around
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

talking about how transparent they are. Look, 67% of this country thinks she's a liar. Do you think that helps her cause. If she had nothing to hide, they would have been released. It's just that simple. If it were policy speeches, they'd be released. No amount of double speak, and bullshit is going to convince me. She needs to STOP talking out every side of her mouth, and put up or shut up. She's NOT transparent.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
79. I didn't care about it then.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:06 PM
Apr 2016

I don't care about it now.

Of all of the Hillary controversies over her last 25 years on the national stage, this really ranked down there the least, with the emails being a close second, followed closely by Ron Brown's plane. (quick, did you hear something overhead?)

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
80. Seriously? She was a private citizen at the time.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:06 PM
Apr 2016

Not to mention it would be unprecedented. Releasing full tax filings for multiple years has a long tradition for those being vetted for higher office. Hillary Clinton released many.

Response to dinkytron (Original post)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
84. Shame on Sanders asking for the transcripts without delivering his
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

Conversations with the likes of NRA and Lockheed Martin, we see the results of the $18,000 donation to defeat Sanders opponent, he rewarded them by voting the way the NRA wanted on gun issues. Sanders has not produced this information on Hiilary. Sanders gives to the influence.

Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
88. I given my reasons for why Clinton should not release the transcripts
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

on several occasions.

It boils down to this, historically when a Clinton, or any democrat for that matter releases information on demand, the group making the demand don't give a shit about the information. What those people are looking for is a hook to hang an allegation on.

Its the Rose law firm records all over again.



Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
92. Nope, don't care. Hillary Haters just want a witch hunt.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:42 PM
Apr 2016

The only people interested in the transcripts are people who wouldn't vote for her anyway. I'd tell them to go pound sand.

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