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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:26 AM Apr 2016

Call me a Revolutionary

For putting peace ahead of war.
For putting the American people ahead of corporate profits.
For opening up government to oversight.
For stopping secret government spying on its own people.
For making banksters who ripped off the nation pay it back.
For investing in public education.
For re-building and strengthening the nation's infrastructure.
For weaning the nation's energy system from fossil fuels.
For wanting healthcare as a basic right for all citizens.
For ending corporate welfare via fiscal and trade policies.
For dreaming of a better tomorrow for ALL Americans, not just the rich.

Call me a Revolutionary, then. Great!

What you should be asking yourself if you're not a Revolutionary too, why not?

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Call me a Revolutionary (Original Post) Octafish Apr 2016 OP
Anti war is SO 2008. actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #1
PNAC never leaves. Octafish Apr 2016 #4
Does that list include hiding and censoring Hillary supporters posts without justification ? Trust Buster Apr 2016 #2
I hadn't thought of that. Show where I censored anyone, though, and I'll apologize. Octafish Apr 2016 #5
^^^ Bam! ^^^ Ron Green Apr 2016 #8
See my post down thread.. your wording is better and that makes 12 point... 2banon Apr 2016 #28
Yes, hiding posts on DU is the same as... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #9
Why should Sanders supporters espouse about basic rights when they deny Hillary supporters Trust Buster Apr 2016 #12
What basic rights are you being denied... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #14
Rigged "hides" deprive me of my basic right to free speech. Don't Sanders supporters think it's Trust Buster Apr 2016 #16
Lol!!! KPN Apr 2016 #32
Silencing all opposition the hallmark of many a revolution ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #29
Except that there is no way to "rig" the jury process... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #39
Bullshit...I've been on plenty of juries and... Armstead May 2016 #46
Why not? Me, me, me!!!! PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #3
Good point. Justice. Octafish Apr 2016 #11
Kickin' Faux pas Apr 2016 #6
Thank you, Faux pas. Octafish Apr 2016 #37
Probably because I believe in working within the system... brooklynite Apr 2016 #7
Well I dont blame you for that... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #10
Right...because I'm a 1%er...so I must be a greedy conservative. brooklynite Apr 2016 #13
What the fuck are you talking about? actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #18
And MY point is that an all or nothing philosophy that gets you nothing because you didn't win... brooklynite Apr 2016 #19
And you probably always raised yor hand in school KPN Apr 2016 #33
That's why I'm a Democrat. Octafish Apr 2016 #40
More hippie bashing Armstead May 2016 #47
K and effing R Scuba Apr 2016 #15
Sadly, it is "revolutionary" to want these things. This good word has been repurposed by the right corkhead Apr 2016 #17
You are a Revolutionary!! Dragonfli Apr 2016 #20
Mr. Octafish, we need you to step away from those pods right now. Zorra Apr 2016 #21
Call me a Counter-Revolutionary. Octafish Apr 2016 #22
*sigh* Zorra Apr 2016 #23
This OP should be ENSHRINED on DU!!!!!!!! 2banon Apr 2016 #24
I thought they were once part of DU's creed. nt Snotcicles Apr 2016 #31
I thought they were once part of being a Democrat. Octafish Apr 2016 #43
We'll see, revolutionary = getting a progressive congress... everything else is just complaining uponit7771 Apr 2016 #25
You are talkin' a lot of common sense. Count me IN!!! yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #26
I'd rather call you a "movement" .... nt salinsky Apr 2016 #27
Given that this is a word so often associated with the gastrointestinal system, I must agree. nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #30
When telling the truth felix_numinous Apr 2016 #34
Nothing about equal rights for women, LGBT or visible minorities in that list... SidDithers Apr 2016 #35
For dreaming of a better tomorrow for ALL Americans, not just the rich. Octafish Apr 2016 #42
An excellent OP, Octafish! Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #36
+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #38
Thanks for an awesome post! N/t tokenlib Apr 2016 #41
K&R amborin Apr 2016 #44
K&R. Well said. But kind of sad that great democratic values are Revolutionary. Overseas May 2016 #45
I'm a focking moderate -- But for wanting those things I'm a "far left looney" Armstead May 2016 #48
K&R EndElectoral May 2016 #49

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. PNAC never leaves.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016


Our woman in Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan

Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan

Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC. And the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.

Like Speaker Sam was wont to say: "Go along if you want to get along." Ask Tom Daschle. When 9-11 hit, he wasn't invited to the Secret Undisclosed Location -- NO DEMOCRATS IN THE FEDERAL LEADERSHIP WERE: The were left behind on 9-11.

So, I can understand so many of my fellow Democrats starting acting Republican warmonger all of a sudden.
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
2. Does that list include hiding and censoring Hillary supporters posts without justification ?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

How can Sanders supporters act like they're "for the people" when they rig the jury to censor anyone who dares to disagree with them ?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. I hadn't thought of that. Show where I censored anyone, though, and I'll apologize.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

What I should have added:

Call me a Revolutionary for wanting a Democratic primary process.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
28. See my post down thread.. your wording is better and that makes 12 point...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

Political Revolutionary Platform, Commandments, Bill of Rights

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
9. Yes, hiding posts on DU is the same as...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

...voting for a war of aggression. What a bizarro world you must live in!

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
12. Why should Sanders supporters espouse about basic rights when they deny Hillary supporters
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

basic right on DU with ridiculous hides every day. It's totally phony rhetoric and nothing else.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
16. Rigged "hides" deprive me of my basic right to free speech. Don't Sanders supporters think it's
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

important to practice what you preach ?

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
29. Silencing all opposition the hallmark of many a revolution ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:24 PM
Apr 2016

It's an oversight that the OP forget to include that, but they think it's us doing it to them, which is amusing when you consider that they control the majority of the jury votes.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
39. Except that there is no way to "rig" the jury process...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

Ask Skinner or see this Board's terms as to how the jury works. You can't just make up something that doesn't exist.

I think I remember something I read while at work earlier from someone apparently distraught over the 85%/15% split of DU members here. They think juries are rigged for that silly reason.

I am a long time DU member and just because I supported Dean one time or Sanders another time doesn't make me part of a rigged system. It makes me a percent of whoever serves randomly on juries. I'm more likely to do that because of my longevity and the fact that I've met some terms of agreement on my posting behavior, plus contributing to this site at given times.

That rigs my vote? I've never heard of a more ridiculous reason. It sounds like you're angry when the majority of Democrats actually support Bernie Sanders. You'd rather we not be randomly picked for ANY jury. That sounds like a pretty screwed up system, Trust Buster.

Sounds like you're "for the people" if they're the RIGHT people, eh?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
46. Bullshit...I've been on plenty of juries and...
Sun May 1, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

There as many posts from both sides.

And, for what it's worth I never vote to hide unless something is a really egregious violation

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Good point. Justice.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

When I first posted on DU, I was accused as someone who was doing so for attention. It is a fair criticism. However, my aim has not changed: What I write about is why I post -- not for me, but for Democracy.

For example: From his association with a former president, the Clinton's friend Frank Giustra got a great deal in Kazakhstan:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
The New York Times, JAN. 31, 2008

EXCERPT...

Upon landing on the first stop of a three-country philanthropic tour, the two men were whisked off to share a sumptuous midnight banquet with Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent.

Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

SNIP...

Mr. Giustra foresaw a bull market in gold and began investing in mines in Argentina, Australia and Mexico. He turned a $20 million shell company into a powerhouse that, after a $2.4 billion merger with Goldcorp Inc., became Canada’s second-largest gold company.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html


From his association as son of a future president (and himself a future pretzeldent), George got a great deal in Bahrain.



Harken Energy And Insider Trading

by Stephen Pizzo
Mother Jones, September / October 1992

EXCERPT...

Harken Energy was formed in l973 by two oilmen who would benefit from a successful covert effort to destabilize Australia's Labor Party government (which had attempted to shut out foreign oil exploration). A decade later, Harken was sold to a new investment group headed by New York attorney Alan G. Quasha, a partner in the firm of Quasha, Wessely & Schneider. Quasha's father, a powerful attorney in the Philippines, had been a staunch supporter of then-president Ferdinand Marcos. William Quasha had also given legal advice to two top officials of the notorious Nugan Hand Bank in Australia, a CIA operation.

After the sale of Harken Energy in 1983, Alan Quasha became a director and chairman of the board. Under Quasha, Harken suddenly absorbed Junior's struggling Spectrum 7 in 1986. The merger immediately opened a financial horn of plenty and reversed Junior's fortunes. But like his brother Jeb, Junior seemed unconcerned about the characters who were becoming his benefactors. Harken's $25 million stock offering in 1987, for example, was underwritten by a Little Rock, Arkansas, brokerage house, Stephens, Inc., which placed the Harken stock offering with the London subsidiary of Union Bank -- a bank that had surfaced in the scandal that resulted in the downfall of the Australian Labor government in 1976 and, later, in the Nugan Hand Bank scandal. (It was also Union Bank, according to congressional hearings on international money laundering, that helped the now-notorious Bank of Credit and Commerce International skirt Panamanian money-laundering laws by flying cash out of the country in private jets, and that was used by Ferdinand Marcos to stash 325 tons of Philippine gold around the world.)

SNIP...

Suddenly, in January 1990, Harken Energy became the talk of the Texas oil industry. The company with no offshore-oil-drilling experience beat out a more-established international conglomerate, Amoco, in bagging the exclusive contract to drill in a promising new offshore oil field for the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain. The deal had been arranged for Harken by two former Stephens, Inc., brokers. A company insider claims the president's son did not initiate the deal -- but feels that his presence in the firm helped with the Bahrainis. "Hell, that's why he's on the damn board," the insider says. "...You say, 'By the way, the president's son sits on our board.' You use that. There's nothing wrong with that."

Junior has told acquaintances conflicting stories about his own involvement in the deal. He first claimed that he had "recused" himself from the deal; "George said he left the room when Bahrain was being discussed 'because we can't even have the appearance of having anything to do with the government.' He was into a big rant about how unfair it was to be the president's son. He said, 'I was so scrupulous I was never in the room when it was discussed.'"

Junior alternately claimed, to reporters for the Wall Street Journal and D Magazine, that he had opposed the arrangement. But the company insider says, to the contrary, that Junior was excited about the Bahrain deal. "Like any member of the board, he was thrilled," the associate says. "His attitude was, 'Holy shit, what a great deal!'"

CONTINUED...

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/harkenenergyandinsidertrading.htm



That's why I mean by keeping Wall Street and private business out of Washington and the public's business. What a coincidence. That axis of evil weasels is where the money trumps peace idea comes from.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Thank you, Faux pas.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

Revolutionary to vote for peace and the prosperity for We the People, not just the 1-percent.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
7. Probably because I believe in working within the system...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

...changing the party rules and policies by actually getting people elected.

I'll admit, the bandanas and t-shirts aren't nearly as colorful...

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
10. Well I dont blame you for that...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

...when the system is still working for you why would you want a radical shift?

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
13. Right...because I'm a 1%er...so I must be a greedy conservative.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

I've said before I have no problem in the abstract with any of Bernie's policies; I just don't think he can get elected to implement them. So I'll go with a mainstream, electable candidate who'll work for incremental change rather than "all or nothing".

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
18. What the fuck are you talking about?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

When the fuck did I call you a 1%? My ARGUMENT is if you can wait for incrementalism then the system is working for you. Some of us can't wait that long.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
19. And MY point is that an all or nothing philosophy that gets you nothing because you didn't win...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

...isn't an improvement.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
33. And you probably always raised yor hand in school
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

when youi wanted to say something too I'm guessing.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. That's why I'm a Democrat.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

It's the Party where each vote counts the same. All are equal under law. That's how Democratic politics also are supposed to be.

Where I have a problem with some people is when they think wealthy individuals deserve to have a bigger voice in politics. They believe their taxes and contributions afford them extra rights and access. They feel it's their birthright to enjoy one set of rules for the Little People and another for the privileged.

Those assholes who think like that already have a party. They're called Republicans.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
17. Sadly, it is "revolutionary" to want these things. This good word has been repurposed by the right
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

to be a cudgel just like "liberal" and "socialist".

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
20. You are a Revolutionary!!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

OK, now that I called you one, by your criteria, I am also a Revolutionary!

We have far too much work to do...
(I hope they don't hang us for our "revolutionary" stances.)

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
22. Call me a Counter-Revolutionary.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:48 AM
Apr 2016
The Waters of Knowledge versus the Waters of Uncertainty:
Mass Denial in the Assassination of President Kennedy


By E. Martin Schotz
Coalition on Political Assassinations Conference, 20 November 1998, Dallas, Texas

EXCERPT...

When the Waters Were Changed

Once upon a time Khidr, the Teacher of Moses, called upon mankind with a warning. At a certain date, he said, all the water in the world which had not been specially hoarded, would disappear. It would then be renewed with different water, which would drive men mad.

Only one man listened to the meaning of this advice. He collected water, went to a secure place where he stored it, and waited for the water to change its character.

On the appointed date the streams stopped running, the wells went dry, and the man who had listened, seeing this happening, went to his retreat and drank his preserved water.

When he saw, from his security, the waterfalls again beginning to flow, this man descended among the other sons of men. He found that they were thinking and talking in an entirely different way from before; yet they had no memory of what had happened, nor of having been warned. When he tried to talk to them, he realized that they thought that he was mad, and they showed hostility or compassion, not understanding.

At first he drank none of the new water, but went back to his concealment, to draw on his supplies, every day. Finally, however, he took the decision to drink the new water because he could not bear the loneliness of living, behaving and thinking in a different way from everyone else. He drank the new water, and became like the rest. Then he forgot all about his own store of special water, and his fellows began to look upon him as a madman who had miraculously been restored to sanity.[2]

CONTINUED...

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/COPA1998EMS.html
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
24. This OP should be ENSHRINED on DU!!!!!!!!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016


11 Commandments , 11 Bill of Rights, 11 Platform Positions...

maybe we should make it 12 ?

Safeguarding democratic process from saboteurs on every level.. (terrible word smithing, but you get the point)

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
34. When telling the truth
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

is a revolutionary act, we are nearly there.

It's time to pop their virtual reality matrix with actual crowds and real people with real ballots and real votes.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
42. For dreaming of a better tomorrow for ALL Americans, not just the rich.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

You must not have read through to the end.

BTW: How many "visible minorities" are on the Forbes 400, siddithers of DU?

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
45. K&R. Well said. But kind of sad that great democratic values are Revolutionary.
Sun May 1, 2016, 01:43 PM
May 2016

These are great values I've had for years.

I thought we'd go full force for them in 2008, after the Bush crash and the Bush torture.

Other countries enacted universal health care with their citizens' tax dollars to demonstrate the good that their contributions could achieve. They also understood that their people would need help as they industrialized, with oil and chemical spills and worker displacement and the least we could do was be sure they had health care.

Other countries recognized that a great infrastructure was a great sign of tax dollars being used efficiently for all. Our crumbling infrastructure should be a stronger motivating force but it is hardly covered on our corporate media.

An it was illuminating to read that CNN had more air time allocated to fossil fuel company ads than to discussions of climate change.

So sad that even the classic principle of a more equitable sharing of profits with the workers who created those profits would lead to a greater velocity of money which would help the economy as a whole has not been discussed.

As we watch status quo corporate greed destroying our country it is sad that common sense is deemed Revolutionary.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
48. I'm a focking moderate -- But for wanting those things I'm a "far left looney"
Sun May 1, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

It's a fucked up political system we have at the moment

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