2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumelectionprojection.com: Hillary in a landslide over Trump 358-180
http://www.electionprojection.com/presidential-elections.php
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Interesting Arizona is blue and Georgia is pink. I am certain the media will pump up Trump just enough to make this appear to be a horserace but in the end Hillary wins this easily. My opinion.
Note: Even Bernie could probably beat Trump!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)It could be even higher, actually.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Which Red states do you think could be in play? Georgia, Texas?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Texas, perhaps, depending on how moronic Donald Trump is during the campaign.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)It could be massive!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)He has the potential to piss off vast numbers of people, and the propensity for doing exactly that.
We shall see which Donald Trump persona does the campaigning.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)There are some other candidates, as well. Regardless, I have no trouble seeing Clinton reach 350 electoral college votes.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Bill Clinton took KY and Hills is popular here.
onenote
(42,714 posts)and ahead of him by 7 in Arizona.
Realclearpolitics has the polls.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'm very hopeful about 2016.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)I think Utah, based on my knowledge of it, could go blue. The mormons there freaking hate Trump. Hate his vulgarity and cruelty. Mormons may be strong GOP, but often times they don't like mean, openly hateful people.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That would be amazing to take Utah or even put it in play.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)Kasich is the only even possible problem, and Kasich has the true unvetted candidate in the race.
This looks great for downticket.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Georgia will flip because it's trending Democratic and if there is a real landslide, South Carolina will flip too.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)angrychair
(8,702 posts)PBO was far better known and still popular for a sitting president running for a second term. Despite that and running a weaker candidate than McCain, PBO still did slightly worse in 2012 than 2008 in SC and GA.
Given voter suppression laws and voter apathy, states like GA, SC, TN or TX are all still deep red voting states and that is not likely to change soon.
elljay
(1,178 posts)Are you aware that most polls have consistently shown Bernie to do BETTER against Trump (and the other Republicans) than Hillary?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-sanders
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/
DCBob
(24,689 posts)You do realize the GOP attack machine hasn't targeted Bernie yet? They have been focused on attempting to take Hillary out without much success. I suspect if Bernie somehow became the nominee and the GOP began to attack Bernie with full force those numbers would change.
elljay
(1,178 posts)but they have less to work on with Bernie. His positions have been the same for decades, he has no scandals, no baggage (aka Bill) and he has very low negatives. Hillary, on the other hand, is a goldmine for attack ads. Some of this is a result of Republican disinformation, some a result of Hillary's self-inflicted wounds. Her negatives are so high that, in a normal election, they might be disqualifying. In this crazy election, the argument can be made that most people dislike and distrust Hillary but absolutely loathe Trump so she is the better candidate. Amazing to me how we've gotten to this point.
Bernie praised Castro, wrote questionable essays about women, dodged the draft, wants to raise middle class taxes, honeymooned in the USSR, called himself a socialist, lacks foreign policy, voted against rescuing the US economy, and has zero accomplishments after 30 years in government. You think Repubs are just gonna let that shit slide???
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)They will focus on his socialist comments and past connections to socialists and communist types. Much like they did with candidate Obama.. remember Bill Ayers, Bernadean Dorne Rev Wright, etc. Those were all nonsense but they had traction with certain groups. Obama was able to fend them off but Bernie is no Obama.
runaway hero
(835 posts)Since if she went up against him, her numbers would change IMO. Remember Trump is not the nominee yet.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Regardless I just dont see how they stop Trump at this point unless they pull something in Cleveland.. and if they do that all hell will break loose and Hillary wins anyway.
runaway hero
(835 posts)If they pulled the Voter ID thing to regular citizens, then imagine what they do to stop the outsider.
Side note, if they stop trump, do you think it proves people don't really want change.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)the GOP has been tearing down HRC for 20+ years. How many people could withstand that onslaught like she has?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)The question is, would they fall enough that he couldn't beat tRump? I would suspect not, but nobody knows for sure.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)is becoming more and more solidly Democratic.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That's just not going to happen, which leads me to think their map is based on pure speculation.
Obama barely squeaked by in Florida, with strong turnout from minorities, youth, and the Left. Maybe Clinton gets as strong a minority turnout as Obama, I tend to doubt it. She's def not going to get votes from youth and the Left. And Independants far outnumber Ds and Rs,,,she loses them pretty badly too...Obama got 50%, Clinton is down near 33%.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)On average she leads Trump in recent polling there..
http://www.electionprojection.com/latest-polls/florida-presidential-polls-trump-vs-clinton.php
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Obama beat Romney by under 1% in 2012. Clinton will not get the votes Obama did, she'll be well short. Romney wasn't an especially popular candidate for Republicans, but they turned out to vote against Obama, and they'll do so against Clinton.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)But what happens if Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Arizona are close enough to steal?
What happens if Ted Cruz breaks out as an independent and Trump concentrates everything on just those five states? Now nobody wins, and the election goes to the Republican Congress, and they don't even have to vote to make Paul Ryan the President by default.
It's looking good, but we need to be aiming for total, across the board victory from top to bottom, a victory so overwhelming it cannot be statistically hidden.
We are challenging a greedy, evil, ethically vacant, criminally corrupt party whose cover-ups over the past fifteen years suggest a legacy of thousands of crimes, crimes which can be prosecuted if they don't regain control of the White House and all Presidential records going back to Ronald Reagan's October Surprise.
Participating in the illegal destruction of 60 million emails from the Bush Administration is a crime so widespread that everyone who participated in it can potentially be barred from security clearances and future government service, forever. The competent fraction of the Republican Party is on the chopping block, and their worst nightmare, the woman they have savagely attacked for 25 years, would hold the axe.
Do any of us think overcoming that sort of motivation on the Republican side will be easy? Do any of us dare to think they will play fair, or even legally?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I dont see how anyone runs third party and pulls a significant percent. Many states have "sore loser" laws that dont permit a candidate to run third party if they were a candidate.
Barring something really crazy.. Hilary wins this easily.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I really do, but every time I start to feel a little bit complacent, I remember back to this time in 2000, when I was saying, "Sure, he's got all the money, but he can't even read a teleprompter! Who would be stupid enough to vote for a guy this incompetent?"
But I was the stupid one.
And then I saw firsthand exactly how corrupt they were, how deep it went, the laws they were freely breaking, and the cover-ups they were still protecting going back to 1980 and beyond, and I realized that if they ever lost control and the people found out what they had really been up to all these years, people would be drinking Republican blood at the dinner table for a hundred years to come.
And now, they've let the fleece grow back on the sheep. It's time for them to come back, to police the documents and erase the hard drives and close the Presidential libraries--and there's no chance they can win.
Just like in 2000.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)and perhaps a few other states they have in the red.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Very dissapointed it's classified as solidly Republican
Logical
(22,457 posts)You are if you think posting this has any impact on who the Republicans pick as their nominee.