2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is an honorable person.
Early in this primary campaign, he said that he would not run as a third party candidate and that he would support the nominee. He is a man of his word, and will follow through with what he said he would do.
He's still campaigning, but will conceded and endorse Hillary Clinton when she gets the majority of pledged delegates, just as Hillary did in 2008. Democrats act honorably and honor their word.
Those who suggest that Senator Sanders would do otherwise do not understand that he says what he intends and acts accordingly. As long as he is campaigning, he is still competing for the office. Once the last primary election has been held, he will act according to what the pledged delegate count indicates.
People should trust him to do the right and honorable thing, because that is exactly what he will do. He is an honorable and trustworthy man.
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)And I respect him for that.
But that doesn't mean I have to follow suit. I never promised to support it and I have no intention of doing so.
I may vote for the Democratic presidential nominee. Or I may not. But I will not support a ticket that does not support the things I believe in.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...what Hillary didn't, which is contest the convention. With less far less pledged delegates, with far less super delegates.
In other words, expecting Sanders to be less ethical than Clinton.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)And nor would Bernie want that or any cabinet position in the HRC administration, I would imagine.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And any position he wants.
And people will say he sold out the revolution.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)If he doesn't win the nomination and Dems retake the Senate majority, he will become the Chair of the Budget Committee. Within the Senate, he functions essentially as a Democrat, with seniority and major committee assignments and everything.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Now, what are the chances we get the Senate back if Sanders contests the convention? All those down ticket establishment candidates.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and the attacks on civil rights icons coming from his campaign/surrogates; and with the "Hillary is not qualified" rhetoric; and now with his attacking the very party that he recently officially joined. Those things, in my opinion, are not very honorable. But aside from that, I'm sure he's a real peach.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)If all Democrats were honorable and honored their word, do you think you would have SO MANY fed up voters and people leaving the party? NO
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You're relying old, outdated, and self-serving misrepresentations.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Without Bernie the pitiful state of the Democratic Party would be obvious.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I can assure you that Bernie's registration efforts cannot compare to what Hillary's ground team has put together. It's like Bernie's out there doing his own little thing... a little here, a little there, uncoordinated, duplicated efforts, wasted time and money. And as NY showed us, the whole concept of getting people to register as Dems was (clearly) little more than afterthought for the Bernie campaign. I think it's great that he's been involved in registration efforts, and even the smallest effort deserves to be applauded and recognized. But he's not the savior you're making him out to be.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)That is directly proportional to his announcement to run. It actually began in the fall of 2015.
snot
(10,530 posts)I respect you greatly and have rec'd and am thankful for many of your posts.
How do you define "honorable."
I can accept a definition that would include the Clintons, in that I do believe they're at least slightly more constructively-inclined than many, perhaps most Republicans.
But if "honorable" should mean, someone I want to vote for, let alone be like? The Clintons are not included, anymore.
I do not want to lie. I do not want to say whatever it takes to get elected. I do not want to profit from pandering to the 1%, while millions, billions of others suffer and die (a lot of people have died and are dying because of neoliberal policies, nevermind the warfare Hillary's promoted). I do not want to smear people like Bernie, who ARE in fact honorable in pretty much every sense of the word. I do not want to play games with voter qualifications in order to rob people of their right to vote, because they might vote for my opponent. And I totally f*cking want to PROSECUTE THE BANKSTERS who robbed me and many others of their life's savings and who continue to exploit every opportunity to LOOT those who actually create REAL wealth; etc. etc. too much to bear repeating.
I was never wild about the Clintons, but I was a supporter and defender for a very long time. In the 2008 election, I favored Obama only slightly, based solely on Hillary's vote in support of Bush2's Iraq invasion. My disillusionment with the Clintons was not something I sought out; it was something they earned.
Edited to add: with love to you personally, Mineralman; you are an honorable person.
That said, I think Hill's electability problem is not that she's a bad politician, although I think she is; it's that she's a bad actress.