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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:14 PM Apr 2016

It just dawned on me why HRC has stopped spending money.

She can say anything she wants now.

She can do anything she wants.

She knows NOW what the FBI is going to do.

She already knows they are coming for her.

Why spend any more money? Why go into debt?

There's another whole game going on right now out of sight. A massive PR offensive is about to begin that pays only lip service to the election.

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It just dawned on me why HRC has stopped spending money. (Original Post) grasswire Apr 2016 OP
Ahfercryinoutloud BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #1
Quick, grab the tin foil hats! JaneyVee Apr 2016 #58
You seem to have a lot of them handy. If it does not fit the narrative of the anointed one it must insta8er Apr 2016 #97
WRONG on all counts tonyt53 Apr 2016 #2
Or she made strategic decisions earlier on and more cost effective group media buys in order to politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2016 #107
Haha. .. Money poorly spent ... Trajan Apr 2016 #143
Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #3
occam's razor is less preferable to insane conspiracy theories. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #83
She has moved to the general election campaign with efforts in Colorado, Florida and Ohio Gothmog Apr 2016 #158
from your lips mooseprime Apr 2016 #4
If she's innocent, I want her exonerated. If not, I want her incarcerated... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #12
absolutely grasswire Apr 2016 #20
The justice system has already made a distinction. . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #73
um, ^^^^^this^^^^ nt mooseprime Apr 2016 #80
Not everyone agrees PAMod Apr 2016 #141
+1 good post 840high Apr 2016 #106
Good Luck With that mon ami. Hastert just got 15 months for child molesting 2banon Apr 2016 #148
He probably will die in prison... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #154
"Desperate, clingy and self-destructive is no way to go through life, son." randome Apr 2016 #16
Maybe they'll start soliciting donations for the Hillary Criminal Defense Fund. frylock Apr 2016 #5
or just rename the Victory Fund. grasswire Apr 2016 #7
In 2008, she made Obama beg his friends to pay her debts. nt grasswire Apr 2016 #10
I had forgotten about that... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #17
.. frylock Apr 2016 #21
The Hillary slush fund? Skink Apr 2016 #78
Ur gud at figrin thinks owt. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #6
Senseless and banal. libdem4life Apr 2016 #29
I fully agree. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #33
At least the spelling has improved. That's a start. n/t libdem4life Apr 2016 #37
That's because I'm addressing you. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #43
OK, thanks. n/t libdem4life Apr 2016 #45
She has to be allocating resources tirebiter Apr 2016 #8
Welcome to DU!! StevieM Apr 2016 #71
Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #84
She knows she has won the votes of the Democratic Party Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #9
Yes, but he still keeps asking for more money! nt Andy823 Apr 2016 #14
He has very highly paid campaign staff that must get their paychecks. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #22
Exactly. nt Andy823 Apr 2016 #129
And Bernie on the other hand Andy823 Apr 2016 #11
you sound kind of jealous about the enthusiasm of Bernie's campaign. nt grasswire Apr 2016 #15
There is enthusiasm and then there is self-destructive behavior. Two distinct things. randome Apr 2016 #19
Hillary's "rallies" remind me of a mandatory time-share presentation... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #25
Point, game, mooseprime Apr 2016 #102
Bernie lost. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #62
Let me know if you get an answer please. nt BootinUp Apr 2016 #111
Mook is an absolutely UNACCEPTABLE term to use for Senator Bernie Sanders Turn CO Blue Apr 2016 #138
... CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #150
What a dickish post. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #151
Hardly Andy823 Apr 2016 #128
Given that Clinton supporters were found to be more enthusiastic in polling and in voting, mythology Apr 2016 #134
Then you are calling all of us supporters drunken sailors..hey dude or dudess I don't drink bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #57
Neither do I Andy823 Apr 2016 #130
If he is a drunken sailor and we are sending him (lots) of money then we must be drunk too. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #146
That's OK. Bernie can spend it all. PADemD Apr 2016 #69
. ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #13
She's most likely climbed the Empire State building and sufrommich Apr 2016 #18
... La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #85
No, I just think she's run out of money. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #23
She doesn't have to in CA. tonyt53 Apr 2016 #28
Yes, she does take the minority vote for granted. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #34
"minorities - you know, people Bernie does not know exist" Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #51
Seeing that Bernie did win the most diverse state in the Union. byyiminy Apr 2016 #120
. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #135
Obama said emphatically and repeatedly that he never receives information on or interferes BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #24
But he said it on FOX so by definition it is a Right Wing Smear Attack... IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #49
It gave me some hope Hillary will be indicted BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #59
yea, he said he doesn't know the details and doesn't interfere WHILE HE IS interfering pdsimdars Apr 2016 #77
Um, actually, snot Apr 2016 #87
I've heard people at the FBI will resign if they don't. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #92
I've heard if frogs could fly Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #155
Hillary's alibi on the no bankers prosecuted was that the laws aren't specific enough BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #125
.... Agschmid Apr 2016 #26
Where is the sarcasm tag, otherwise if you actually believe this Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #27
I think you're right, and I read that she's broke. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #30
He has $17,000,000 in the bank. grasswire Apr 2016 #35
That's a lot of name recognition. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #39
But I thought he spent like a drunken sailor? winter is coming Apr 2016 #75
Isn't that a stupid slur they make? He's spending. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #81
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #31
Have you seen this? Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #32
Sucks not to be a Clinton. n/t libdem4life Apr 2016 #38
However they were undeletable. Unicorn Apr 2016 #42
there ya go grasswire Apr 2016 #98
Clinton is soooo special - don't 840high Apr 2016 #109
pays to know where the skeletons are hidden glinda Apr 2016 #145
lolololololololol obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #36
Yeah, probably not. NV Whino Apr 2016 #40
Don't underestimate that 3/4th of the people trying to get her Unicorn Apr 2016 #41
My guess is that the Oligarchs are not all that loyal to their jwirr Apr 2016 #142
This isn't 2008, Grasswire. Vinca Apr 2016 #44
It just dawned on me why HRC has stopped spending money. wyldwolf Apr 2016 #46
Is she out of money again? Unicorn Apr 2016 #50
Would matter wyldwolf Apr 2016 #74
So that's why I keep 840high Apr 2016 #110
Exactly! wyldwolf Apr 2016 #117
Yep! She's raising funds for the General now. moriah Apr 2016 #153
Link to her money stuff, please? IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #47
I see Bernie cutting staff and expenses, but not Hillary. procon Apr 2016 #48
I think this is a possibility CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #52
That could explain why she has been really really off her game lately. She looks sick silvershadow Apr 2016 #56
Why are so many of Hillary's opponents so conspiracy minded? Renew Deal Apr 2016 #53
Desperation and wishful thinking.nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #65
Because she has won the primary and doesn't need to spend anymore... SidDithers Apr 2016 #54
Seriously? LOL! nolabear Apr 2016 #55
Man, it they didn't have that laughing smilie, Hillary supporters would have nothing at all to say pdsimdars Apr 2016 #91
Some things don't deserve actual words. nolabear Apr 2016 #115
Because shes up over 300 delegates? JaneyVee Apr 2016 #60
Hey how dare you bring up math?! NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #63
It just gets better and better ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #61
This site is morphing into Free Republic. Beacool Apr 2016 #64
Absolutely right. With tendencies to go World Nut Daily. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #67
Morphed, not morphing. FSogol Apr 2016 #70
I'm starting to seriously despise some of these people. Codeine Apr 2016 #72
i think is even worse, because at least the freepers know that they are sharing right wing La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #88
lol DrDan Apr 2016 #66
That's deep Dr. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #93
/yawn Tarc Apr 2016 #68
I think you should go back to bed and wait for a new dawn onenote Apr 2016 #76
No. She's trying to save up to buy that chemtrail she has her eyes on for her Illuminati Squinch Apr 2016 #79
.. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #89
. Squinch Apr 2016 #90
omg. i worry for some people here. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #82
Well isn't that precious of you! pdsimdars Apr 2016 #94
research and creative speculation are not the same thing. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #95
And that's why you should do some research instead of your speculation. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #108
Can she use political donations for this? Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #86
Does she have any money to work with that isn't from a superPAC? n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #96
Good POint. Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #105
Stop buying your shit off the street, dude. okasha Apr 2016 #99
An interesting perspective. . . I heard one guy saying that right now, all over the world pdsimdars Apr 2016 #100
yes, she outed a CIA asset. grasswire Apr 2016 #119
Meanwhile BS is spending money that is doing him no good... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #101
He's doing it for us, the American people. senz Apr 2016 #121
Wow. You're nuts. Zynx Apr 2016 #103
Sometimes there is only one appropriate response ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #104
I don't know if she'll be indicted but I do know this tularetom Apr 2016 #112
yes, Obama is in a tough spot. grasswire Apr 2016 #118
Sounds like something Chris Mattews would predict. senz Apr 2016 #122
yep grasswire Apr 2016 #124
She has contacted the Martians to invade Earth now and enslave us all in Her name, NBachers Apr 2016 #113
LOL... MineralMan Apr 2016 #114
I hope you're right, grasswire. senz Apr 2016 #116
It seems like the majority of her campaign was shadow work me b zola Apr 2016 #123
Insightful and true. senz Apr 2016 #131
Right? This is her "campaign" summed up me b zola Apr 2016 #137
Yes, you've summed it up quite well. senz Apr 2016 #140
Most Admired Woman in World, Record 20th Time Gallup, December 2015. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #126
Celebrity, like the Kardashians senz Apr 2016 #132
Most untrustworthy at 67 percent of America. grasswire Apr 2016 #139
so quit posting stuff about her that is negative...drop a line to your guy Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #144
seriously? shireen Apr 2016 #127
Thank you. cwydro Apr 2016 #133
Pie. BKH70041 Apr 2016 #136
She's still spending money - just not on competing with bernie. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #147
maybe I'm sleepy or just dense, but I'm not following, dear friend. 2banon Apr 2016 #149
Jesus H. Christ. How can anyone believe this bullshit? AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #152
Dumbfounded at this horseflop. VOX Apr 2016 #156
Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath Gothmog Apr 2016 #157
 

insta8er

(960 posts)
97. You seem to have a lot of them handy. If it does not fit the narrative of the anointed one it must
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

be right wing, tinfoil hats, sexism, racism or some of other ism that you can contribute it to. Other then the fallacy that the candidate you support will this time be on your side instead of her paymasters.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
2. WRONG on all counts
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

She knows she doesn't have to. She will win IN. She will win WV. She will win NJ. She will win KY. She will win CA. That is why. Oh, and the FBI isn't going to do anything of the sort.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
107. Or she made strategic decisions earlier on and more cost effective group media buys in order to
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:30 PM
Apr 2016

take advantage of the economies of scale and negotiate more favorable terms such as, a cap on fees. She also probably had the luxury of having knowledgeable and competent personnel working on her team who had been part of a national campaign before and didn't have to rely on a former office manager who was now retired and running a comic book store who might take her to the cleaners.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. Or ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)

She has made the calculation that she doesn't need to spend any more money to sew up the nomination ... and would rather spend the money on battling trump in California and NJ ... if needed..

Edited to reflect new knowledge: that primary money and G/E moneys are segmented.

mooseprime

(474 posts)
4. from your lips
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

to god's ears.

but wait--have we lost all confidence in our 2-tiered system of criminal justice?!

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
12. If she's innocent, I want her exonerated. If not, I want her incarcerated...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:20 PM
Apr 2016

The law SHOULD make no distinction based on wealth, power, or influence. I know that's often not the case, but it should be the goal of the American judicial system.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
20. absolutely
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

That is the goal. Follow the truth wherever it goes.

But she must already know which way this is going and what's ahead.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
73. The justice system has already made a distinction. . .
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

with anyone else they would have lost their security clearance and be under indictment already just for the things that have been made public so far. People have lost their careers for less.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
148. Good Luck With that mon ami. Hastert just got 15 months for child molesting
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:34 AM
Apr 2016

yeah.. maybe I'm jaded, but with sentences like that in context of the crime, how in the hell can anyone not be?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. "Desperate, clingy and self-destructive is no way to go through life, son."
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:21 PM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
7. or just rename the Victory Fund.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

Although I think I read that they have been dipping into that recently.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
29. Senseless and banal.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

It is a big word, so I've included the definition for you.

ba·nal
bəˈnäl,bəˈnal/
adjective
so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring.
"songs with banal, repeated words"
synonyms: trite, hackneyed, clichéd, platitudinous, vapid, commonplace, ordinary, common, stock, conventional, stereotyped, overused, overdone, overworked, stale, worn out, timeworn, tired, threadbare, hoary, hack, unimaginative, humdrum, ho-hum, unoriginal, uninteresting, dull, uninvolving, trivial;

tirebiter

(2,538 posts)
8. She has to be allocating resources
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

to the swing states where she's dispatching personnel for the GE. Just sayin'

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
71. Welcome to DU!!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:46 PM
Apr 2016

Money for the primaries is separated from money for the general election.

I think Hillary is saving money for the final Super Tuesday, when she will have to spend a lot in New Jersey and California. Those are both expensive media markets.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
84. Really? ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016
Money for the primaries is separated from money for the general election.


I did not know that!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
9. She knows she has won the votes of the Democratic Party
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders could win every primary, and she would still win the votes of the Democratic Party.

So she has moved into General Election mode.

Sanders, on the other hand, has told Campaign staff to find another job. Even he knows he has lost. He just won't say it.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
22. He has very highly paid campaign staff that must get their paychecks.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:23 PM
Apr 2016

Those he did not let go.
The real winners of Sanders Campaign is the Political Industrial Complex.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
11. And Bernie on the other hand
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

Has, and continues, to spend like a drunken sailor, yet he has no chance to win. I guess as long as people are gullible enough to send him money, he might as well make a few million more, right?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. There is enthusiasm and then there is self-destructive behavior. Two distinct things.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
25. Hillary's "rallies" remind me of a mandatory time-share presentation...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

You know, stay in our Florida resort for $100/night, just attend a 2-hour sales presentation ...

I went once and it was like we were being held hostage... Come to think of it, we were...

Those poor poor Hillary hostages ("mom said I had to go or she wouldn't buy me the new iPhone!&quot .... Maybe we should send a hostage negotiator to her "rallies"... ("Is there anyone here who is not here of their own free will?&quot

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
138. Mook is an absolutely UNACCEPTABLE term to use for Senator Bernie Sanders
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:30 PM
Apr 2016

who without a single doubt has served his constituents and state very well and earned heaps of warm admiration and praise from his colleagues, academics, voters and his millions and millions of worldwide supporters over the years.

He is not stupid and he is the very definition of competence.

In fact, I would bet real money that he has achieved far, far more in terms of friendships, honors, awards, accolades, article mentions, watched floor speeches and published pieces than any DUer I've ever read about on this board -- not to mention the sheer volume of passed sponsored legislation surpasses most in either House.

It is absolutely inconceivable to me how you would DARE to post something so OBTUSE AND PETTY.

WHAT THE HELL ARE *YOUR* BONAFIDES that you would call such an accomplished person a mook?

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
128. Hardly
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

I just think asking for more money when he knows he can't win is kind of hypocritical. He knows many of his followers don't have much money, so why keep asking for more, more, more. He ha outspent Hillary 2 to 1, and hasn't much to show for it. I think he has the right to stay in as long as he wants, but why take money from those who really can't afford to keep on giving? If Hillary was in his position and doing the same thing, I am pretty sure YOU would be complaining.

If he is trying to help the poor, stop asking them for money.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
134. Given that Clinton supporters were found to be more enthusiastic in polling and in voting,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

why would a Clinton supporter be jealous of the enthusiasm of the Sanders campaign.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters

Awkward.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
69. That's OK. Bernie can spend it all.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

I don't want any of the money I've donated to end up paying for Hillary's primary.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
23. No, I just think she's run out of money.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

California could be interesting, especially if we all dig down deep for another money Bomb for Bernie. Hillary can't match it, and she cant/wont do the retail politics like Bernie's rallies.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. She doesn't have to in CA.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

That state is full of minorities - you know, people Bernie does not know exist. Hell, Bernie outspent Hillary by $2 million in NY and he couldn't buy that election.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
34. Yes, she does take the minority vote for granted.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:32 PM
Apr 2016

Like her photo-op in Flint after which she disappeared.
Sanders hasn't given up on them.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
51. "minorities - you know, people Bernie does not know exist"
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

Okay, now I know you're exactly what people suspect low-pot-count newbs of being...that was simply too idiotic a pronouncement to represent an honest mistake.

Bye, Felicia.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
24. Obama said emphatically and repeatedly that he never receives information on or interferes
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

with Justice Department or FBI investigations, that there is a strict Chinese Wall in this case and every other case.



He did not leave any wiggle room. I was encouraged to see it.
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
49. But he said it on FOX so by definition it is a Right Wing Smear Attack...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:54 PM
Apr 2016


Grasswire pointed out he used the exact same language in October, even though he got smacked around by FBI and DOJ for talking about it, but that by going on FOX, he knew he was going to get asked....

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
59. It gave me some hope Hillary will be indicted
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:14 PM
Apr 2016

I am disappointed by how much of a corporatist Obama is and how he gave the banksters a pass, but think he has much more personal integrity than either of the Clintons. I don't believe he would even consider associating with some of the characters post Presidency that Bill has hung out with.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
77. yea, he said he doesn't know the details and doesn't interfere WHILE HE IS interfering
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:58 PM
Apr 2016

He said she didn't do anything wrong in his understanding. . .
How you DON'T interfere is to say you are not going to comment on an ongoing investigation.
You've heard it before, and Obama did NOT do that.

snot

(10,530 posts)
87. Um, actually,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

given that the DoJ has failed to prosecute ANY banksters to speak of . . . yeah, I too would bet the DoJ won't treat Hillary any differently.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
125. Hillary's alibi on the no bankers prosecuted was that the laws aren't specific enough
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

Of course, that means they still aren't.

I would be surprised at an FBI indictment of Hillary but Obama was more emphatic about not interfering than I suspected. If the FBI doesn't indict, I expect some leaks from disgruntled FBI employees and/or a resignation or two.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
39. That's a lot of name recognition.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

And he does good ads.

I also heard he's doing a lot of registering voters at colleges in California, which should go very well.

Andrea Mitchell (I think it was) said today that HRC has abandoned Indiana, and doesn't expect to win it.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
81. Isn't that a stupid slur they make? He's spending.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:01 PM
Apr 2016

You have one candidate with universal name recognition and one with zero. He HAS to spend money to get his name and message out there. DUH!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
31. ROFL
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

Good God.

So embarrassing to see what's become of Sandersism. Or maybe this is the kind of bullshit it was all along.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
32. Have you seen this?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/14/if-your-name-isnt-hillary-the-hammer-for-mishandling-secrets

Peter Van Buren can’t wait for the court-ordered release of Hillary Clinton’s work emails from 2011, a nearly ruinous year for him that resulted in a negotiated retirement from the State Department.

The foreign affairs arm of the federal government, then led by Clinton, had accused the longtime foreign service officer of mishandling classified information and unsuccessfully asked the Justice Department to prosecute him.


-snip-

Van Buren says his travails demonstrate a double standard at the State Department, which now defends Clinton’s use of a private email system that this week was revealed to contain highly classified top secret information.

At the same time Clinton, now the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, was using her private and apparently unsecure email system, Van Buren lost his security clearance and then his job as a result of what he views as false allegations of mishandling information that wasn't secret at all.


-snip-

“I cannot conceive any other person in government being able to do what she did without being punished,” he says. “Lots of people have lost their clearances, lost their jobs and in some cases lost their freedom and gone to jail” for allegedly being careless in protecting classified documents.



 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
41. Don't underestimate that 3/4th of the people trying to get her
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

are NOT voting for Hillary. (50%Republicans, 25% Bernie supporters only 25% Hillary supporters(if that))

And, if you don't believe the primary results as I don't, very likely 4 out of 5 people investigating her etc., are not her supporters.

Those 4 out of 5 are FBI agents, cops, lawyers, judges, senators, etc. And, they are all politicized US voters.

The best she can get is 3 out of 4 against her but I do think it's 4 out of 5.

On her side, she's got her supporters(25% but due to election fraud that is probably too high) who don't care about corruption but won't make a dent in how many people are trying to get her to face justice, and she's got the ogliarchs who will try to pay people off.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
142. My guess is that the Oligarchs are not all that loyal to their
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

tools. When she is no longer of any use they will turn away.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
46. It just dawned on me why HRC has stopped spending money.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

She done whupped Bernie Sander's ass and doesn't need to spend any more on the primary non-race.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
153. Yep! She's raising funds for the General now.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:12 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie, of course, hss the right to raise funds too. After all, Hillary did ask supporters to help her pay her 2008 campaign debt, and if there isn't any debt for Bernie I have no doubt he will give anything left to the Party, or find a way to transfer it to a PAC legally that supports the values his campaign has stood for. (Edit: Not sure if it could go to his next Senate race legally, but I'd be fine with it if it could.)

procon

(15,805 posts)
48. I see Bernie cutting staff and expenses, but not Hillary.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

The news reports that the Hillary campaign now views Sanders as a greatly diminished threat and they aren't wasting money on ads against him, instead they are shifting to the General Election to concentrate on Trump. Maybe you're trying to conflate things like this:


In coming weeks, Mrs. Clinton will campaign in states with looming primaries, but she will also recharge and spend time in New York plotting a general-election strategy with advisers.



Or did you have a more specific linked source to validate your main assertion?





CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
52. I think this is a possibility
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016

The FBI recommending an indictment is a possibility. From everything that I have read (nothing on right-wing news sites) I think it's highly likely that the FBI will recommend to indict.

The timing certainly makes sense. In late March, the FBI announced that the bulk of their investigation was complete and all that was remaining were interviews with HRC's aids and with Clinton herself.

It's highly likely that the interviews with her aids have taken place. Once that happens, this is a game changer. The Clinton camp will fully understand the tone and tenor of the FBI investigation--as well as the direction in which the FBI is going. There's no more denial and pretending like this is right-wing bullshit, after the FBI interview your aids.

It's most likely that Clinton understands exactly what she's facing.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
56. That could explain why she has been really really off her game lately. She looks sick
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

and weak. And she has lost her confidence. Remember the thread about the heavy clothing recently? I noticed instantly when the change in her confidence happened.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
91. Man, it they didn't have that laughing smilie, Hillary supporters would have nothing at all to say
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:09 PM
Apr 2016

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
64. This site is morphing into Free Republic.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:20 PM
Apr 2016

That's the type of nonsense they post. I guess there are two groups of people who hope and wish for a Hillary indictment, Republicans and Sanders's supporters. Clear indication that she's winning.


 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
72. I'm starting to seriously despise some of these people.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

All they've got are right wing lies and propaganda with the serial numbers filed off. It's goddamned pathetic.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
88. i think is even worse, because at least the freepers know that they are sharing right wing
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

conspiracies. we are doing it, but seem oblivious about it.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
68. /yawn
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

The reality is far less tinfoil-ish; she has won the nomination, and there's not a damn thing the Bernster can do in the rest of the states still to vote.

Kinda comes with the territory of an insurmountable lead.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
79. No. She's trying to save up to buy that chemtrail she has her eyes on for her Illuminati
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:01 PM
Apr 2016

friends who, along with their area 51 alien friends, killed JFK.

Cause that's how she rolls, amirite?

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
86. Can she use political donations for this?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

I"m sure the PAC's can spend all they want but what about campaign donations

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
100. An interesting perspective. . . I heard one guy saying that right now, all over the world
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

there are Marines in all of our embassies, who have sworn to die to protect the secret information on those computers in those embassies. And yet Hillary had emails containing the highest level of top secret on her unprotected server, outside of the protected, encrypted government server.

The Obama administration Inspector General and the Inspector General of the State Department both said there were the most highly classified emails on her server.

She has come out with many different stories and explanations that have all been shown to be false.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
119. yes, she outed a CIA asset.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

And she traveled to Asia before there was any security at all on the server. Intel elites are positive that she was hacked by foreign ops while she was in Asia.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
121. He's doing it for us, the American people.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

He has never been in it for himself.

I'm sure you find that incomprehensible. The "funny" part of it is, if he succeeds, people like you would benefit as well.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
112. I don't know if she'll be indicted but I do know this
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

If she isn't indicted, 9 out of 10 Americans will believe that the president intervened to prevent the indictment from taking place. At that point the damage is done, to Clinton as well as to Obama's reputation. Rightly or wrongly, she's going to be hounded by this episode, in addition to the trainloads of other baggage, until she disappears from public life. And she'll drag Obama down with her.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
118. yes, Obama is in a tough spot.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

Chris Matthews has predicted the last couple of days that Obama will go all out heavy campaigning for her after the convention. I do not know how he can protect his reputation. Damned both ways, as you say.

NBachers

(17,120 posts)
113. She has contacted the Martians to invade Earth now and enslave us all in Her name,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:04 PM
Apr 2016

using her secret, home-based server.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
116. I hope you're right, grasswire.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

I hope it will be that easy to end the campaign of the worst Democratic candidate of my lifetime.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
123. It seems like the majority of her campaign was shadow work
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

Seems like she has done very few rallies open to the public. She didn't spend her time with union workers to get her endorsements, she got some big union bosses to support her behind closed doors~~Psst, if you belong to a union that backed Clinton and didn't bother to come and meet with you and listen to what you want, you may want to reconsider who you vote for to represent you in your union.

Bernie has had to actually campaign, and without the media coverage that Hillary has gotten. Hillary's camp brags about how she has "cultivated relationships over many years", which appears to mean that for as much behind the scenes horse trading that Hillary is done equals "experience" and "knowing how to get things done". No whiff about what she believes in, cares about, or is willing to fight for. But we do have her record. I know who and what she is by her record.

Yeah, it seems the majority of Hillary's campaign has been conducted in smoked filled rooms, and very little time has been given to even the appearance of a real campaign.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
131. Insightful and true.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

She doesn't bother with the American people; she knows the corporate media will cover for her. Instead, she works private deals. I learned about another of those deals a few days ago. It's pretty amazing, if you haven't seen it yet:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
137. Right? This is her "campaign" summed up
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016

Its all brokered, very little time/energy to even give the appearance of campaigning on a platform of beliefs. Little people? Forgetaboutit! Get the bosses and power brokers, that's all that she needs. Oh yea, and the power to drive her narrative through the media.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
140. Yes, you've summed it up quite well.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:39 PM
Apr 2016

It is disgusting. If we had an honest media, it would have been analyzed for its anomalies by now.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
139. Most untrustworthy at 67 percent of America.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

And her favorable/unfavorable is underwater by 20 points.

The weakest candidate, the most untrusted, the least favored.

Unable to draw crowds or generate excitement.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
144. so quit posting stuff about her that is negative...drop a line to your guy
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

Tell him to do the same. She is the nominee period.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
127. seriously?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

Why are you saying stuff like this? It is wild speculation. All you're doing is unnecessarily antagonizing Clinton supporters.


Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
147. She's still spending money - just not on competing with bernie.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:55 AM
Apr 2016

There's no reason to spend where spending is unnecessary. She's winning and the fat lady is warming up.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
152. Jesus H. Christ. How can anyone believe this bullshit?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:01 AM
Apr 2016

Apparently, it makes you feel better believing HRC will be indicted.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
157. Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

I am amused by the Sanders supporters and republicans praying for an indictment http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/waiting-clinton-indictment-dont-hold-your-breath

The fact remains, however, that such a scenario is pretty far-fetched. Politico’s Josh Gerstein took a closer look today at the legal circumstances, and the reasons Clinton’s foes shouldn’t hold their breaths.

The examination, which included cases spanning the past two decades, found some with parallels to Clinton’s use of a private server for her emails, but – in nearly all instances that were prosecuted – aggravating circumstances that don’t appear to be present in Clinton’s case.

The relatively few cases that drew prosecution almost always involved a deliberate intent to violate classification rules as well as some add-on element: An FBI agent who took home highly sensitive agency records while having an affair with a Chinese agent; a Boeing engineer who brought home 2000 classified documents and whose travel to Israel raised suspicions; a National Security Agency official who removed boxes of classified documents and also lied on a job application form.

Politico’s examination seems to have only been able to find one person who sincerely believes Clinton will face prosecution: former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who was a prosecutor and a Justice Department official before his partisan antics made him something of a clownish joke.

Among more objective observers, the idea of Clinton facing an indictment seems, at best, implausible. This is very much in line with a recent American Prospect examination, which reached the same conclusion.

TPM’s Josh Marshall published a related piece in February, after speaking to a variety of law professors and former federal prosecutors about the Clinton story. “To a person,” Josh wrote, they agreed the idea of a Clinton indictment is “very far-fetched.
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