2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt just dawned on me why HRC has stopped spending money.
She can say anything she wants now.
She can do anything she wants.
She knows NOW what the FBI is going to do.
She already knows they are coming for her.
Why spend any more money? Why go into debt?
There's another whole game going on right now out of sight. A massive PR offensive is about to begin that pays only lip service to the election.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)be right wing, tinfoil hats, sexism, racism or some of other ism that you can contribute it to. Other then the fallacy that the candidate you support will this time be on your side instead of her paymasters.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)She knows she doesn't have to. She will win IN. She will win WV. She will win NJ. She will win KY. She will win CA. That is why. Oh, and the FBI isn't going to do anything of the sort.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)take advantage of the economies of scale and negotiate more favorable terms such as, a cap on fees. She also probably had the luxury of having knowledgeable and competent personnel working on her team who had been part of a national campaign before and didn't have to rely on a former office manager who was now retired and running a comic book store who might take her to the cleaners.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Tell David B. to eat shit ...
Click
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 29, 2016, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)
She has made the calculation that she doesn't need to spend any more money to sew up the nomination ... and would rather spend the money on battling trump in California and NJ ... if needed..
Edited to reflect new knowledge: that primary money and G/E moneys are segmented.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)mooseprime
(474 posts)to god's ears.
but wait--have we lost all confidence in our 2-tiered system of criminal justice?!
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)The law SHOULD make no distinction based on wealth, power, or influence. I know that's often not the case, but it should be the goal of the American judicial system.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)That is the goal. Follow the truth wherever it goes.
But she must already know which way this is going and what's ahead.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)with anyone else they would have lost their security clearance and be under indictment already just for the things that have been made public so far. People have lost their careers for less.
mooseprime
(474 posts)PAMod
(906 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)yeah.. maybe I'm jaded, but with sentences like that in context of the crime, how in the hell can anyone not be?
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)Kid touchers are targets ....
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
frylock
(34,825 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Although I think I read that they have been dipping into that recently.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)Her greed is insatiable!
Skink
(10,122 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)It is a big word, so I've included the definition for you.
ba·nal
bəˈnäl,bəˈnal/
adjective
so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring.
"songs with banal, repeated words"
synonyms: trite, hackneyed, clichéd, platitudinous, vapid, commonplace, ordinary, common, stock, conventional, stereotyped, overused, overdone, overworked, stale, worn out, timeworn, tired, threadbare, hoary, hack, unimaginative, humdrum, ho-hum, unoriginal, uninteresting, dull, uninvolving, trivial;
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Didn't realize it deserved more.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)tirebiter
(2,538 posts)to the swing states where she's dispatching personnel for the GE. Just sayin'
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Money for the primaries is separated from money for the general election.
I think Hillary is saving money for the final Super Tuesday, when she will have to spend a lot in New Jersey and California. Those are both expensive media markets.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I did not know that!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Sanders could win every primary, and she would still win the votes of the Democratic Party.
So she has moved into General Election mode.
Sanders, on the other hand, has told Campaign staff to find another job. Even he knows he has lost. He just won't say it.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Those he did not let go.
The real winners of Sanders Campaign is the Political Industrial Complex.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)Has, and continues, to spend like a drunken sailor, yet he has no chance to win. I guess as long as people are gullible enough to send him money, he might as well make a few million more, right?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)You know, stay in our Florida resort for $100/night, just attend a 2-hour sales presentation ...
I went once and it was like we were being held hostage... Come to think of it, we were...
Those poor poor Hillary hostages ("mom said I had to go or she wouldn't buy me the new iPhone!" .... Maybe we should send a hostage negotiator to her "rallies"... ("Is there anyone here who is not here of their own free will?"
mooseprime
(474 posts)And match!
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Why would anyone be jealous of that mook?
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)who without a single doubt has served his constituents and state very well and earned heaps of warm admiration and praise from his colleagues, academics, voters and his millions and millions of worldwide supporters over the years.
He is not stupid and he is the very definition of competence.
In fact, I would bet real money that he has achieved far, far more in terms of friendships, honors, awards, accolades, article mentions, watched floor speeches and published pieces than any DUer I've ever read about on this board -- not to mention the sheer volume of passed sponsored legislation surpasses most in either House.
It is absolutely inconceivable to me how you would DARE to post something so OBTUSE AND PETTY.
WHAT THE HELL ARE *YOUR* BONAFIDES that you would call such an accomplished person a mook?
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Bernie lost.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)I just think asking for more money when he knows he can't win is kind of hypocritical. He knows many of his followers don't have much money, so why keep asking for more, more, more. He ha outspent Hillary 2 to 1, and hasn't much to show for it. I think he has the right to stay in as long as he wants, but why take money from those who really can't afford to keep on giving? If Hillary was in his position and doing the same thing, I am pretty sure YOU would be complaining.
If he is trying to help the poor, stop asking them for money.
mythology
(9,527 posts)why would a Clinton supporter be jealous of the enthusiasm of the Sanders campaign.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/28/1507300/-Gallup-Clinton-Supporters-More-Enthusiastic-Than-Sanders-Supporters
Awkward.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)Where did I call his supporters drunken sailors.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)PADemD
(4,482 posts)I don't want any of the money I've donated to end up paying for Hillary's primary.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)is swatting at airplanes as we speak.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)California could be interesting, especially if we all dig down deep for another money Bomb for Bernie. Hillary can't match it, and she cant/wont do the retail politics like Bernie's rallies.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)That state is full of minorities - you know, people Bernie does not know exist. Hell, Bernie outspent Hillary by $2 million in NY and he couldn't buy that election.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Like her photo-op in Flint after which she disappeared.
Sanders hasn't given up on them.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Okay, now I know you're exactly what people suspect low-pot-count newbs of being...that was simply too idiotic a pronouncement to represent an honest mistake.
Bye, Felicia.
byyiminy
(39 posts)Care to guess what it is?
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)with Justice Department or FBI investigations, that there is a strict Chinese Wall in this case and every other case.
He did not leave any wiggle room. I was encouraged to see it.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Grasswire pointed out he used the exact same language in October, even though he got smacked around by FBI and DOJ for talking about it, but that by going on FOX, he knew he was going to get asked....
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I am disappointed by how much of a corporatist Obama is and how he gave the banksters a pass, but think he has much more personal integrity than either of the Clintons. I don't believe he would even consider associating with some of the characters post Presidency that Bill has hung out with.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)He said she didn't do anything wrong in his understanding. . .
How you DON'T interfere is to say you are not going to comment on an ongoing investigation.
You've heard it before, and Obama did NOT do that.
snot
(10,530 posts)given that the DoJ has failed to prosecute ANY banksters to speak of . . . yeah, I too would bet the DoJ won't treat Hillary any differently.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)they wouldn't bump their ass a hoppin.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Of course, that means they still aren't.
I would be surprised at an FBI indictment of Hillary but Obama was more emphatic about not interfering than I suspected. If the FBI doesn't indict, I expect some leaks from disgruntled FBI employees and/or a resignation or two.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Lol.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)But Bernie isn't.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Sez MSNBC.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And he does good ads.
I also heard he's doing a lot of registering voters at colleges in California, which should go very well.
Andrea Mitchell (I think it was) said today that HRC has abandoned Indiana, and doesn't expect to win it.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Who's been watering the booze?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)You have one candidate with universal name recognition and one with zero. He HAS to spend money to get his name and message out there. DUH!
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Good God.
So embarrassing to see what's become of Sandersism. Or maybe this is the kind of bullshit it was all along.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)The foreign affairs arm of the federal government, then led by Clinton, had accused the longtime foreign service officer of mishandling classified information and unsuccessfully asked the Justice Department to prosecute him.
-snip-
Van Buren says his travails demonstrate a double standard at the State Department, which now defends Clintons use of a private email system that this week was revealed to contain highly classified top secret information.
At the same time Clinton, now the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, was using her private and apparently unsecure email system, Van Buren lost his security clearance and then his job as a result of what he views as false allegations of mishandling information that wasn't secret at all.
-snip-
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Unicorn
(424 posts)I hope she gets indicted. She earned it.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)two tiers, or not?
840high
(17,196 posts)you know.
glinda
(14,807 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Unicorn
(424 posts)are NOT voting for Hillary. (50%Republicans, 25% Bernie supporters only 25% Hillary supporters(if that))
And, if you don't believe the primary results as I don't, very likely 4 out of 5 people investigating her etc., are not her supporters.
Those 4 out of 5 are FBI agents, cops, lawyers, judges, senators, etc. And, they are all politicized US voters.
The best she can get is 3 out of 4 against her but I do think it's 4 out of 5.
On her side, she's got her supporters(25% but due to election fraud that is probably too high) who don't care about corruption but won't make a dent in how many people are trying to get her to face justice, and she's got the ogliarchs who will try to pay people off.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)tools. When she is no longer of any use they will turn away.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)There's no Obama campaign to bail her out and pay her bills.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)She done whupped Bernie Sander's ass and doesn't need to spend any more on the primary non-race.
Unicorn
(424 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)She doesn't need it until the general
840high
(17,196 posts)getting mail from her begging for money?
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)Bernie, of course, hss the right to raise funds too. After all, Hillary did ask supporters to help her pay her 2008 campaign debt, and if there isn't any debt for Bernie I have no doubt he will give anything left to the Party, or find a way to transfer it to a PAC legally that supports the values his campaign has stood for. (Edit: Not sure if it could go to his next Senate race legally, but I'd be fine with it if it could.)
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Should I be bouncing or scared?
procon
(15,805 posts)The news reports that the Hillary campaign now views Sanders as a greatly diminished threat and they aren't wasting money on ads against him, instead they are shifting to the General Election to concentrate on Trump. Maybe you're trying to conflate things like this:
In coming weeks, Mrs. Clinton will campaign in states with looming primaries, but she will also recharge and spend time in New York plotting a general-election strategy with advisers.
Or did you have a more specific linked source to validate your main assertion?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The FBI recommending an indictment is a possibility. From everything that I have read (nothing on right-wing news sites) I think it's highly likely that the FBI will recommend to indict.
The timing certainly makes sense. In late March, the FBI announced that the bulk of their investigation was complete and all that was remaining were interviews with HRC's aids and with Clinton herself.
It's highly likely that the interviews with her aids have taken place. Once that happens, this is a game changer. The Clinton camp will fully understand the tone and tenor of the FBI investigation--as well as the direction in which the FBI is going. There's no more denial and pretending like this is right-wing bullshit, after the FBI interview your aids.
It's most likely that Clinton understands exactly what she's facing.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)and weak. And she has lost her confidence. Remember the thread about the heavy clothing recently? I noticed instantly when the change in her confidence happened.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
nolabear
(41,986 posts)Jesus, child...
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)nolabear
(41,986 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Just a hunch.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Bernie isn't subject to math. Or facts. Soooo boring!
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)These theories are the gift that keeps on giving.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)That's the type of nonsense they post. I guess there are two groups of people who hope and wish for a Hillary indictment, Republicans and Sanders's supporters. Clear indication that she's winning.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)All they've got are right wing lies and propaganda with the serial numbers filed off. It's goddamned pathetic.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)conspiracies. we are doing it, but seem oblivious about it.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)The reality is far less tinfoil-ish; she has won the nomination, and there's not a damn thing the Bernster can do in the rest of the states still to vote.
Kinda comes with the territory of an insurmountable lead.
onenote
(42,714 posts)One where you are able see more clearly.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)friends who, along with their area 51 alien friends, killed JFK.
Cause that's how she rolls, amirite?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)What I think is that you should do some actual research first.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)I"m sure the PAC's can spend all they want but what about campaign donations
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)You don't know what's in it.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)there are Marines in all of our embassies, who have sworn to die to protect the secret information on those computers in those embassies. And yet Hillary had emails containing the highest level of top secret on her unprotected server, outside of the protected, encrypted government server.
The Obama administration Inspector General and the Inspector General of the State Department both said there were the most highly classified emails on her server.
She has come out with many different stories and explanations that have all been shown to be false.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And she traveled to Asia before there was any security at all on the server. Intel elites are positive that she was hacked by foreign ops while she was in Asia.
dubyadiprecession
(5,714 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He has never been in it for himself.
I'm sure you find that incomprehensible. The "funny" part of it is, if he succeeds, people like you would benefit as well.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... to an OP like this:
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If she isn't indicted, 9 out of 10 Americans will believe that the president intervened to prevent the indictment from taking place. At that point the damage is done, to Clinton as well as to Obama's reputation. Rightly or wrongly, she's going to be hounded by this episode, in addition to the trainloads of other baggage, until she disappears from public life. And she'll drag Obama down with her.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Chris Matthews has predicted the last couple of days that Obama will go all out heavy campaigning for her after the convention. I do not know how he can protect his reputation. Damned both ways, as you say.
senz
(11,945 posts)After all, it's not like he's biased toward Hillary or anything.
And Mrs. Matthews lost a $15 million dollar race.
NBachers
(17,120 posts)using her secret, home-based server.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I hope it will be that easy to end the campaign of the worst Democratic candidate of my lifetime.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Seems like she has done very few rallies open to the public. She didn't spend her time with union workers to get her endorsements, she got some big union bosses to support her behind closed doors~~Psst, if you belong to a union that backed Clinton and didn't bother to come and meet with you and listen to what you want, you may want to reconsider who you vote for to represent you in your union.
Bernie has had to actually campaign, and without the media coverage that Hillary has gotten. Hillary's camp brags about how she has "cultivated relationships over many years", which appears to mean that for as much behind the scenes horse trading that Hillary is done equals "experience" and "knowing how to get things done". No whiff about what she believes in, cares about, or is willing to fight for. But we do have her record. I know who and what she is by her record.
Yeah, it seems the majority of Hillary's campaign has been conducted in smoked filled rooms, and very little time has been given to even the appearance of a real campaign.
senz
(11,945 posts)She doesn't bother with the American people; she knows the corporate media will cover for her. Instead, she works private deals. I learned about another of those deals a few days ago. It's pretty amazing, if you haven't seen it yet:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Its all brokered, very little time/energy to even give the appearance of campaigning on a platform of beliefs. Little people? Forgetaboutit! Get the bosses and power brokers, that's all that she needs. Oh yea, and the power to drive her narrative through the media.
senz
(11,945 posts)It is disgusting. If we had an honest media, it would have been analyzed for its anomalies by now.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)and just as meaningful.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And her favorable/unfavorable is underwater by 20 points.
The weakest candidate, the most untrusted, the least favored.
Unable to draw crowds or generate excitement.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Tell him to do the same. She is the nominee period.
shireen
(8,333 posts)Why are you saying stuff like this? It is wild speculation. All you're doing is unnecessarily antagonizing Clinton supporters.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You gave me my giggle for the night.
BKH70041
(961 posts)Just stick with pie. And whoever isn't afraid to try to choke it down. May they RIP.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)There's no reason to spend where spending is unnecessary. She's winning and the fat lady is warming up.
2banon
(7,321 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Apparently, it makes you feel better believing HRC will be indicted.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Just GOP talking points up and down the line...
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)I am amused by the Sanders supporters and republicans praying for an indictment http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/waiting-clinton-indictment-dont-hold-your-breath
The examination, which included cases spanning the past two decades, found some with parallels to Clintons use of a private server for her emails, but in nearly all instances that were prosecuted aggravating circumstances that dont appear to be present in Clintons case.
The relatively few cases that drew prosecution almost always involved a deliberate intent to violate classification rules as well as some add-on element: An FBI agent who took home highly sensitive agency records while having an affair with a Chinese agent; a Boeing engineer who brought home 2000 classified documents and whose travel to Israel raised suspicions; a National Security Agency official who removed boxes of classified documents and also lied on a job application form.
Politicos examination seems to have only been able to find one person who sincerely believes Clinton will face prosecution: former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who was a prosecutor and a Justice Department official before his partisan antics made him something of a clownish joke.
Among more objective observers, the idea of Clinton facing an indictment seems, at best, implausible. This is very much in line with a recent American Prospect examination, which reached the same conclusion.
TPMs Josh Marshall published a related piece in February, after speaking to a variety of law professors and former federal prosecutors about the Clinton story. To a person, Josh wrote, they agreed the idea of a Clinton indictment is very far-fetched.