Dear DNC: I am not a Democrat.

[liberal_at_heart]

I voted for Bernie in the WA state caucus. I just got my survey and fundraising papers in the mail from the DNC asking me for money, even has my DNC membership number on it. Well DNC, I am not a Democrat and if you are just expecting my vote in November you may be sadly mistaken. So, you can try and claim me as one of your own if you like, but you won't see a cent from me and it will not influence my vote.

[fun n serious]

1. This is The DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND

are you lost?

[Betty Karlson]

14. Terms of Service: "for Democrats AND other progressives"

are you mistaken about the TOS? Would you like a purity test and loyalty oath at the site's gates?

[fleur-de-lisa]

25. What are you blathering about?

What is this "hate" nonsense? Are you responding to the wrong post or just a bit off?

[wyldwolf]

17. TOS: "For people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats"

Doesn't sound like your agenda.

[Betty Karlson]

20. Not when the system is monopolised by Debbies and other DINOs, certainly.

Because that is just a perversion!

[wyldwolf]

22. I don't believe you're qualified to interpret the TOS like that.

Especially since the author of the TOS actually works / has worked in that system.

[Betty Karlson]

23. I find it very hard to believe that Skinner is happy about Debbie.

But that, like your attempted rebuttals, is beside the point.

The point is that DU is a forum for progressive voices, and that all progressive voices are certainly welcome while there is no nominee. And no amount of Hill-bully presumption will change that until there has been a party convention - which is in July.

[wyldwolf]

24. my 'attempted' rebuttals are point-blank factual

[Betty Karlson]

26. also math, probably. And experience.

Maybe you ought to mention qualifications, and "real Democrats" too, while you are at it.

The TOS are clear: as long as there is no nominee, all progressive voices are welcome. Because while we have no nominee, we have primaries. Which are about drawing people IN, not shutting people OUT, as the purity and loyalty oath crowd (a.k.a. Hill-bullies) would have us believe.

[wyldwolf]

29. Something Bernie supporters are lacking in, I agree

[Betty Karlson]

31. That reply doesn't even need a rebuttal

It already proves my previous point.

[wyldwolf]

34. Every reply you've made has made my original point

[Katashi_itto]

49. Bwhahahaaa! Cool story bro.

[frylock]

62. Better go run tell mommy then.

[hellofromreddit]

47. There are rules about behavior

are you lost?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=182288&sub=trans

[qdouble]

2. Seems like 50% of people in GDP hate democrats apparently....

DUINO (DemocraticUndergroundInNameOnly)

[w4rma]

4. Just the "New" Democrats (nt)

[corkhead]

19. no, just the ones who demand purity oaths.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

28. Indeed, and since there is so much money to be made off of their anger, they aint going nowhere

I dont blame the site owners, this hatred of Hillary, created by 25 years of GOP propaganda, has many people in a rage.

I hear people on radio shows and here who have no idea about what is real and not real, but they hear the repeated attacks of Hillary day in and day out and so of course, they are influenced.

But the coup de grace, the awesome accomplishment is convincing people that NOW, all of a sudden, Hillary MUST measure up to a level that NO politician can (other than Bernie) and that if she doesnt, you cant vote for her.

It is BRILLIANT

deadly, of course, many are going to die when Trump takes over or Cruz, but it is brilliant

[Demsrule86]

42. It is a brilliant move by the GOP

However, it relies on the not very smart voter who believes that nonsense...to implement it.

[Kip Humphrey]

3. You may not be a Democrat but you are on Bernie Sanders' voter roll. The question is: How did the

DNC get your info from Bernie's voter database? A question for DWS.

[fun n serious]

6. Maybe because you have to register with DNC to vote in their party?

This is a non issue

[Scuba]

18. False. Only holds true in states that have closed primaries.

[maxsolomon]

39. Washington is such a state

you have to pick.

[liberal_at_heart]

7. The party claims people as party members by putting a sentence at the top of the voting

form at the caucus that by voting in the Democratic primary you consider yourself a Democrat. Well, WA has an open caucus which means Independents can vote in the caucus and not matter what the form says, I do not have to consider myself to be member to any party to vote.

[SFnomad]

8. Did you read the OP? It says they have the "DNC membership number" on the mailer

If the person has a DNC membership number, the DNC has all their information.

[Orangepeel]

21. The person participated in a Democtatic Party caucus

Of course the Democratic Party has their name and address.

[SFnomad]

5. tRump thanks you for your support n/t

[frylock]

63. Derp derpa herp derp.

[CobaltBlue]

9. ‘Official 2016 Democratic Party Survey’

I have received mine.

Topics/questions covered (not complete):

• POLICY PRIORITIES •
Q: Do you support President Obama taking action on issues that Republicans refuse to bring to a vote, such as immigration and common sense gun control?
A: Not sure. I’m uncertain why this question needs to be asked by the DNC.

Q: Do you support Democratic initiatives to reduce carbon pollution and take other urgent action to combat climate change?
A: Not sure. I, just, you know—can’t find a way to start processing this question. As a United States citizen, from the state of Michigan, who voted for President Barack Obama in both 2008 and 2012, I just don’t know whether he should do this. I need help figuring this out. Oh, and what exactly would those “Democratic” initiatives be?

Q: Do you support President Obama’s proposed plan to provide a community college education to any American who is willing to work for it?
A: Not sure. I voted the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination to Bernie Sanders. I have no idea at all how I feel about a topic like this.

• THE 2016 ELECTIONS •
Q: How important is it to regain Democratic majorities in Congress and put another Democrat in the Oval Office?
A: Not sure. Hasn’t the Republican Party done a marvelous job in the U.S. House of Representatives? And who would ever want to not tune in C-Span 2—every day that is possible—to catch the honorable majority leader Mitch McConnell lead his noble Republicans in the U.S. Senate? And this has me so confused—when it comes to the Oval Office, and a Democrat, what breed of Democrat?

Q: How should the DNC react when Republicans and their special-interest backers target Democrats with lies and personal attacks?
A: Not sure. Maybe DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz has a method to all this madness. How is Debbie lately with those Payday Loans? And is she still toying with Elizabeth Warren? Do tell.

Q: What do you think is the most dangerous part of Donald Trump being the GOP nominee for president in 2016?
A: Hillary Clinton, rather than Bernie Sanders, being the Democratic nominee for president in 2016.

• COMMENTS •
Please briefly share any additional thoughts or suggestions on defending our Democratic accomplishments, moving President Obama’s progressive agenda forward, or winning a decisive Democratic victory in the 2016 elections.
A: Okay. My suggestion is this: Say good-bye to New Democrat. Bring back New Deal. And nominate for prominent offices—especially U.S. President and U.S. Senate—“extreme” left-wing candidates who do things radical, like make wealthy individuals and corporations pay at least 70 percent of their income; tax churches; deliver on single payer; have re-importation of prescription drugs; legalize marijuana, recreational along with medicinal, throughout the United States; bans, nationwide, discrimination in any form (like housing and employment) against LGBT persons; elimination of the Patriot Act; reduction of the overall United States military budget by at least 50 percent; pass an amendment to the Constitution of the United States which eliminates Citizen’s United; eliminate protections against gun manufacturers having legal protections from lawsuits brought against them; raise federal minimum wage to $22 per hour; a mandatory minimum of six weeks’ vacation for all private and public employees; and …

[Warren DeMontague]

12. DWS gets your "survey", looks for a check, and throws the rest in the trash.

That said, my answers are usually similar.

[CobaltBlue]

13. Truth is…

I don’t care for the survey.

So…

[Warren DeMontague]

10. I am a Democrat, but the DNC gets no money from me as long as DWS is running it.

I refuse to donate to an organization run by someone who votes to put sick people in prison for using medical marijuana.

Cant do it.

I will donate to my state democratic party and local leaders, because they actually LEAD.

[djean111]

30. I hope you don't live in Florida - Debbie pretty much runs the state organization.

She decides who will be supported if they run, down here, and she will let a Republican run unopposed rather than back a liberal. She also openly campaigns for her GOP cronies down here. Openly. And we are told good Democrats always vote for the D. No more of that from me.

Anyway, I will only contribute directly to a candidate. Finding out that the state organizations really only get to keep about 1% of monies that Hillary "raises for them", and they wash it right back to Hillary, is an eye-opener.

Did you know that Ms. Debbie, Woman of Principle, offered to change her stance on marijuana if John Morgan, the guy who is supporting the marijuana effort down here (it really helped his dad when his dad was dying), would just stop saying (true) things about her. Morgan declined. So Ms. Debbie's principled stance was pulled off the auction block and she went back to working with Rick Scott Actually, she has no principles, as far as I can see.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Yeah, I witnessed that whole thing. And no, thankfully, I live in a state where the state party has

its head screwed on fairly right.

http://dpo.org/

As for DWS, part of the runup to the whole John Morgan episode IIRC was that she had worked with Sheldon Adelson to defeat the medical mj iniativie, his 'Floridians to save us from teh drugs' or whatever the org is. Sheldon Adelson. Maybe it's me, but I don't particularly cotton to the idea of the DNC chair having that dude on speed dial. One of the reasons I'm one of the many "outsiders" supporting Tim Canova.

In addition to the cast of other winners lining up to try and stop medical marijuana in Florida (again!) you also have this guy:

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/mel-sembler-begins-fundraising-effort-to-kill-medical-marijuana-initiative/2274311

http://www.thenation.com/article/gop-mogul-behind-drug-rehab-torture-centers-bankrolling-opposition-pot-legalization-colo/

Former clients of the rehab center recount episodes of brutal beatings, rape and systematic psychological abuse.

At one facility in Yorba Linda, California, state investigators found that STRAIGHT Inc. subjected children to “unusual punishment, infliction of pain, humiliation, intimidation, ridicule, coercion, threats, mental abuse…and interference with daily living functions such as eating, sleeping and toileting.” Samantha Monroe, who was placed into a STRAIGHT Inc clinic in Tampa at age 13, says she was locked in a room, and forced to wear a clothes stained with urine, feces and menstrual blood—a punishment her counselors called “humble pants.”

Richard Bradbury, a former STRAIGHT patient and counselor-turned-whistleblower, told the St. Petersburg Times that Monroe’s experiences weren’t unique. “It was pure child abuse,” Bradbury told reporters. “Torture.”

In 1988, Fred Collins, an 18-year-old college student, paid a visit to his brother, who was in treatment for drug abuse, at an Orlando STRAIGHT Inc. clinic. Counselors accused Collins of being high on marijuana because his eyes were red, and held him against his will for months. The abduction, strip-searches and other abuses ended when Collins managed to escape. He was one of many to win judgments against the chain of drug rehab clinics before it was forced to close after investigations and lawsuits began to mount in several states.

[ucrdem]

11. And now you know why the Clintons hit up their Hollywood pals.

Let's call it a teaching moment.

[JohnnyRingo]

16. Welcome to Democratic Underground

You probably took a wrong turn somewhere around Ross Perot Blvd and Ron Paul Avenue.

[Trust Buster]

27. Yet these non-Democrats demand to vote in our primary. They just don't wish to financially

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support the party. Wanting something without paying for it ? Where have I heard this before ?

[Warren DeMontague]

35. I'll support the parts of the party that dont vote to put cancer patients in prison for pot.

I have no problem donating to kate brown, jeff merkley, or the oregon democratic party.

Debbie wasserman schultz doesnt get a fucking penny from me, though.

[Silver_Witch]

52. Sort of like people who

Post and play at DU but don't contribute even a small amount!

[frylock]

64. Independents who live in closed-primary states financially support the party..

by paying for their primary elections.

[Dem2]

32. Bye

I don't have time for tantrums.

[Squinch]

36. Not sure if you noticed, but this is not the DNC. Your vanity rant doesn't have any purpose here

Why does every one of you special snowflakes seem to feel everyone needs to hear about your feelings?

[FlatBaroque]

37. I wonder how many others like you there are

when they report their membership numbers

[liberal_at_heart]

45. I'm sure a lot at least here in WA.

There are a lot of Independents voting for Bernie in open primaries and caucuses and at least here in WA if you vote in the Democratic caucus the Democratic party gets to claim you as one of their own.

[book_worm]

38. I'm sure you're not.

[synergie]

40. When you participated in a Democratic caucus, you did decalre yourself to be

someone with a stake in that party, thus the claim made here was your own. If you wish to not vote against the Dems in November, that's your right, but why are you blaming the DNC when you wandered into their party, voted on who should represent them and gave your personal information to the guy who joined the party for money and attention?

[Demsrule86]

41. Dear not a Democrat

Who cares?

[liberal_at_heart]

44. Then why respond?

[Demsrule86]

46. for kicks

In general, I once hoped that Bernie would behave in a dignified way...and end this ...endorse etc. Now it is too late. So I don't care what he does...turn off the TV when he is on...not interested in anything he is a part of.

[frylock]

65. Kindness and love.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. Uhhhhh....but you're posting on DEMOCRATIC Underground! If you are not a Democrat...LEAVE!

[hellofromreddit]

48. Way to grow the community.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

50. The OP is clearly violating DU rules. If he/she is not a Democrat, he/she should not be openly

calling for disruption. Just leave and vote the way you want to vote.

[Matt_in_STL]

54. And you have violated the TOS multiple times

Enough to have your incredibly disgusting transparency page shown. Perhaps you should do the honorable thing and sit out as you should have been made to do before the "amnesty".

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

56. Attacked by BSers and abuse of the ALERT system is the reason why many of us

People of Color were silenced. But this is a temporary phenomenon.

The administrators saw what was happening and disagreed with what the BSers were doing.

So you see, try as you might, but I will not be PERMANENTLY silenced simply because the BSers don't like how people vote.

I am a Democrat. A proud Democrat. I vote for the ***Democratic*** candidate of my choosing.

The sad thing about the BSers is that I once was leaning towards voting for Bernie Sanders, as I did not like Hillary Clinton. But the behavior demonstrated by BSers, as well as his own behavior and antics completely turned me off, and I proudly and enthusiastically cast my vote for Hillary Clinton in the recent Maryland primary, where she one by nearly 30 points.

Happy voting!

[Matt_in_STL]

60. You can blame it on Bernie supporters but we can see the ugly things you wrote

You aren't fooling anyone.

[Lizzie Poppet]

57. The owners/admins say otherwise.

Guess whose opinion I care about?

[Turin_C3PO]

59. The TOS

say the site is for "Democrats and other progressives".

[justiceischeap]

51. If you are not a Democrat why did you participate in the Democratic Primary

and participate here at Democratic Underground? I'm not trying to be "unwelcoming" but I really want to know, if you loathe the Democratic party so much maybe you shouldn't participate in the Democratic Primary. Otherwise quit your complaining about something you brought upon yourself by participating in the Democratic Primary.

Also, this whole "influence your vote" thing is ridiculous. It's the DNC's job to educate people about the Democratic Party and to fundraise--whether you like DWS or not. As stated by many and me already, you declared yourself a member of the party when you decided to support Bernie--another person who isn't a Democrat but decided to participate in the Democratic Primary.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. One of the befefits of living in a state like ours that doesn't register by party

is we can be a member of whatever party we say we are..or not.

[Setsuna1972]

55. You missed your turn

This is the DEMOCRATIC Underground, and NOT Socialist Underground or Bernie Underground, or whatever you're smoking .

[jwirr]

58. When they send me their goodies in the email I email it

back to them with a comment on the bottom telling them exactly why I am not donating.

[Stellar]

61. I get emails from both Bernie and Hillary and everybody else in the DNC begging me for money...

that I don't have. But it all goes to the Spam folder and I voted for Bernie in the Illinois Primary and he lost.

But I will Vote Blue No matter who.