2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTop Sanders surrogate (Keith Ellison): Bernie supporters have "responsibility" to unite the party:
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Top Sanders surrogate: Bernie supporters have "responsibility" to unite the party:
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RobinRN @chirprn 8h8 hours ago
GOP don't want you to know most of them like HC,know abilities-able to work across PartyLines #HillarySoQualified
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)"she's going to have to carry the banner that Bernie carried in an overt way...."
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)"suggested the Clinton camp had some work to do in order to appeal to Sanderss supporters"
Armstead
(47,803 posts)"You're a bunch of naive self-centered fools. We want your vote."
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... instead of staying exactly where she is (which is AHEAD by the way) and keeping the votes (and LEAD) she does have?
You know... rarely is an opportunity missed by many here to give Bernie credit for Hillary having "stolen" one of Bernie's positions (as he's the sole keeper of all liberal positions). So, if we concede this absurd notion of Keeper-Bernie, and if we go ahead and agree with those who say such things, then it would be fair to say that Hillary has ALREADY "given-in" and is ALREADY (overtly) "carrying Bernie's banner".
Moral of the story, be happy with what you've got. You've already bragged about "dragging Hillary to the left" ... so THERE'S your "victory" right there.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Not a tiny sliver
If Sanders had 15 percent you might have a point..Bul not the case
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I think you probably knew that already, but in case you didn't, I'll go ahead and apologize for not being clearer the first time. My fault entirely. (Considering how juries typically work these days, it's often become instinctive for me to to merely "hint" at truths that others may find "offensive" and will try to hide with alerts. And as we see, that can result in lack of clarity and misunderstanding.)
In spite of what we see here at this web site with this self-selecting group of politically active and passionate individuals, I believe that the "hater" population is even less than the 15% you've estimated.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)If it's not a slaughter, then it is HILLARY that needs to convince them. That is the responsibility here. Hillary needs to make her case.
I just don't do things, without knowing what I'm getting.
Right now, I see nothing. Hillary's the candidate, and the voters vote.
Where is the responsibility?
Mine? So far, I don't like her positions on things...many things.
It is the responsibility of the candidate. Under the bus? No. He was just being cordial. But he is mistaken where the responsibility lies.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Can you?
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Supporting private prisons.
Opposing medical and recreational marijuana-- after all, who's gonna fill the private prisons?
Flip-flopping support over the TPP.
Comments on "requiring a Manhattan Project" against encryption.
Flip-flopping support on Keystone XL, which is even more environmental issues waiting to happen that we don't need.
Et cetera.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)now make a list of issues you would not support in a Trump presidency and another one for Cruz.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)But that doesn't automatically mean I'm giving my vote to Hillary. None of the three of 'em are electable to me. To me, the unethical shipping out of Muslims, the repeal of LGBT rights, the current pitiful state of our military, the possibility that we'd be sent back to the Great American Sandpit, the fragility of our environment, and the fragility of American privacy are all reprehensible, unvotable issues for me. I'd prefer to give my vote to someone who I can align with, and that's no one in the mainstream parties, and most CERTAINLY not Trump.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)approach on climate change... I have my disagreements with Hillary but I stand with her on most so she gets my vote.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)LLOYD BLANKFEIN AT GOLDMAN SACHS!
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)to analyze the situation and vote my conscience, rather than allowing a pundit to decide what my responsibilities are for me.
But thanks.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)no matter how you choose to vote on top of the ticket!
Triana
(22,666 posts)NOT just Bernie supporters.
He DID say Bernie himself was not going to hand the country over to Trump. HE will urge unity.
And it is up to E V E R Y O N E (Hillary and Bernie supporters) to do it when push comes to shove in this election.
Autumn
(45,105 posts)for the person we feel best represents our values and needs.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Just ask you-know-who.
Autumn
(45,105 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... hoping for (contributing to?) failure for no reason other than the sheer vanity and pride of having the coveted satisfaction of being able to say "told-you-so".
You want to "fix" something you think is "broken" ... then come on in and help. Yapping from the fringes and protesting by un-registering from the party, or not voting for the party's nominee serves no purpose except the selfish desire of some to feel "in-control" of a situation for which they have NO control.
The vanity protest voting (or non-voting as the case may be) is theirs to have and covet. I'm sure it will bring great comfort to the myopic few who need to be self-validated and self-consoled ... or those for whom a sense of "revenge" is the most important and ranks higher above all other considerations.
And that's their decision to make. We can't deny them their "right" so to do.
If that's the most mature way that they have in handling defeat, then they should simply step aside. We'll take it from here. (And, if they can't step aside, they'll be trampled by the rest of us as we stampede our way defeat the GOP nominee.)
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Autumn
(45,105 posts)And will continue to vote for the democrats, the ones who represent my values. I stopped reading after the second paragraph. Yesterdays word was duty, today it's responsibility. Keep trying.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's fine. I'd already made my point by then. The rest was more for the benefit of those reading along rather than for you.
But, you know... that attitude also helps to illustrate how impatient many Bernie fans are. So much desire for instant gratification, seldom looking beyond their immediate wants and desires. In my opinion, many Bernie fans appear to see voting as a "religious" experience and make their voting choices based on the feeling they get and the personal pride of "voting their conscience" rather than being more analytical and pragmatic and realistic in the battle against the GOP.
The phrase you emphasized in bold included the word "my" ... that tells me more about you than you probably intended it to.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)And the job of her supporters.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)The Democratic Party has been compromised by friends of the Payday Lenders. I get these urgent emails from the DNC - nine or ten a day - begging for me to send money this year, and I have not sent a penny, and won't as long as she's chair. My money goes to Bernie, Period. If Bernie is not the nominee, then the Democratic Party will have to continue to prostitute itself to Goldman Sachs, Citi, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America. Don't ask me for one red cent, DNC.
The veil is lifted and I see the light.