Bernie is being deliberately dishonest with his supporters ...

[salinsky]

By claiming the convention will be contested, he is milking his supporters for donations and damaging the party.

This is a transparent attempt to take advantage of his supporter's ignorance of how the nomination process works.

Super delegates are included in the total delegates needed by design.

It is grossly dishonest to suggest that the candidate who wins the majority of pledged delegates and has the endorsement of the majority of super delegates is not the nominee.

His fundraising has fallen off a cliff, and this is a brazen attempt to light a fire amongst his uninformed supporters.

He should be stripped of his committee seats and kicked out of the caucus.

Shameful.

[Lil Missy]

1. Yep, he's a fraud and a snake oil salesman.

[salinsky]

2. Fraud is exactly right ...

... the purity candidate has been unmasked.

[Hortensis]

36. Oh, come on. So he's not the saint SOME of his supporters

insist he is. So he knowingly woos people anxious for a noble leader to follow and lets them think it. He's a politician running for the highest office in the land. This is what they all do. No politicians turn down the vote of people who want to put them on a pedestal.

So he's encouraging people to continue donating by telling them he still has a chance to win... Okay, you got me there. Deluding those who are deludable this way is not okay. But, it's still their money; and let's face it, most actually know he can't win and are perfectly aware that they are supporting dragging our convention in the mud -- and presumably like that idea. It's their money and their free expression of their political will.

As for calling him a snake-oil salesman, etc., maybe lighten up on the smears? To put it mildly, they obscure the line between the BSers and others. Let's leave them to them, please?

Btw, reviewing uses for campaign donations, strong regulations govern those. If Bernie uses his to help other candidates, he will grow his power -- perhaps -- among the Democratic caucus, and that is a very legitimate use of his supporters' money. He will also undoubtedly keep some for his own reelection to the Senate in 2018, also very legitimate and so common it'd be strange if he did not.

[Renew Deal]

28. This claim is supported by the experts

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidplouffe/status/722894398086713347

Plouffe is considered a genius organizer on our side and worked for Obama

[Hortensis]

42. I just said it myself, Renew. Who among us

really needs experts to tell us lying to donors about what they money will purchase is fraud? I'm just pointing out that most Bernie supporters who will donate from now on aren't fooled at all. They want mud slung at the Democratic convention and they're funding Bernie's pitching arm.

[Renew Deal]

48. Good point

There are seperate issues. Bernie is pushing a fraud and the anti's want to keep going.

[Dem2]

71. Look, you can call Hillary a mass-murderer, but don't call Bernie a snake-oil salesman.

So, you can call Hillary a mass murderer, but you can't call Bernie a snake-oil salesman.

[Lil Missy]

111. Yes I can.

Bernie is selling snake-oil now.

[Dem2]

114. Yes, but the juries will find "snake oil salesman" to be more offensive than "murderer"

Not that there's an issue with bias or anything.

[madaboutharry]

3. Now it is clear

why his colleagues in Washington don't like him. He is obnoxious.

[IamMab]

15. But remember, it's everyone else's fault for not seeing his genius, not his fault for being...

...a stubborn jackass who doesn't compromise. This man voted against the Amber Alert System, FFS. Is he in the pocket of Big Windowless Van or something? Who votes against a system to protect abducted children??

A stubborn jackass, that's who.

[Zen Democrat]

90. Bernie is the #1 Most Popular Senator and Mitch McConnell is #50.

[DrDan]

95. yet he can muster only one senate endorsement

[w4rma]

140. The last I checked, the Senate and the rest of Congress were less popular than syphilis.

The problem is with the Senate (and the House), not with Bernie.

[DrDan]

141. that is how people feel about the senate, not how the senators individually feel

about Bernie.

We both know why the Senate is ineffective.

And we both know how the senators feel about Bernie - he is the second-best qualified of all presidential candidates. Hence a gap in endorsements.

[w4rma]

143. My point: Congressfolks aren't generally doing what folks want. Bernie is doing what folks want.

Bernie is the *most* popular Congressperson because he does what folks want done. The rest are less popular, because they do less of what folks want done. And part of what folks want done is to be supportive of Bernie and his/our ideals.

Obama had a Democratic majority for the first two years of his Presidency and squandered it completely.

[DrDan]

144. I understand your point (but do not necessarily agree) - but that has nothing to do

with one senator endorsing another

[gollygee]

4. This is ridiculous

I'm sure he really believes he still has a chance. Robert Reich has been saying the same.

I think it's too late for him at this point, but if Robert Reich thinks he has a chance then it's a reasonable position. And it absolutely doesn't mean he's being dihonest, and it certainly doesn't mean he should be stripped of his committee seats and/or kicked out of the caucus. That isn't a pro-Hillary position. It's an anti-Bernie one, and an over-the-top position at that.

We can disagree with each other without being like this. And I've been calling out the crazy stuff from both sides, not just this one.

[salinsky]

19. No, Bernie is well aware of how this process works ...

... he is being intentionally disingenuous with his supporters in hopes of reigniting his fundraising.

I'd so hoped he wouldn't have chosen this path.

The downfall of the sanctimonious is shockingly steep.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. You employ some of the classic antisemitic tropes when attacking Bernie, and that's been

a running theme of Hillary's supporters here on DU since day one.

[salinsky]

22. That is really hilarious ...

... thanx for the lulz.

[mountain grammy]

37. +1

[leftynyc]

50. I've been Jewish my entire life

Would you mind pointing out what was antisemitic in that post. I didn't see a thing. I keep asking for evidence of antisemitism among Hillary supporters and - surprise, surprise - nobody has been able to post one thing.

[CajunBlazer]

52. No, it is anti-old man with repetitive hand gestures

Antisemitic? Wake up, you're dreaming again.

[LiberalFighter]

103. There was nothing antisemitic stated.

If there was it would had been alerted and shut down.

[The Second Stone]

119. You get anti-semitism from that post? You need some help

from a professional.

[anigbrowl]

126. Well that's a bunch of bullshit right there

Pretty much any flavor of criticism has been used to unjustly oppress some minority group in the past, but that doesn't mean the process of criticism is targeted at particular minority groups. One of the faultier syllogisms I've seen lately.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

101. For what purpose? What is it you think he wants the money for? Are you saying he

is going to misappropriate funds and somehow funnel them into his own private account or something?

Remember, this is a politician who has never, not once, profited from his position in our government, beyond the salaries he is paid.

[salinsky]

105. I'm not making that allegation ...

... his campaign may have some big bill coming due and some hefty fines to pay.

http://www.meanprogressive.com/2016/04/deadline-schmeadline.html

[synergie]

136. His family members earn salaries from campaign funds, so it's being funneled to

his private account for sure, but he's blowing through money rather quickly, and he needs to squeeze more funds from his followers.

Remember this is a politician who has never, not once released his full financial records, thus we have no idea if he's profited from his position in our government or not, and the salaries that he and his family are paid, tell a different story. Perhaps this is why he and Jane refuse to release the full records despite stating they'd do so?

[pmorlan1]

152. Even fivethirtyeight Says It's Possible

Even fivethirtyeight (no friend of Bernie) says that it's still mathematically possible that he can win. So it's not over till it's over.

Bernie Sanders still has a mathematical shot at the Democratic presidential nomination, but his chances are growing ever slimmer.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/elections-podcast-the-legacy-of-bernie-sanders/

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. You left off the sarcasm tag.

feel free to use this one

[Kelvin Mace]

6. Every time I see a thread like this

my respect for HRC supporters continues to decline.

[fun n serious]

10. Why? Explain if you do not believe it's true

I would like to hear your view..

[salinsky]

11. The bills are coming due ...

... better send in another $27.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. Says a poster who has been here one month and has this on display:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=331140&sub=trans

It's not as bad as most of your fellow Reagan Democrats but it's bad enough, you are only here because Skinner wants this sort of crap.

[salinsky]

26. Weaver and Devine aren't gonna pay themselves ...

... you better write another $27 check.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. The trope 'in it for the $$' is classicly antisemitic and that fact is ironcially highlighed by the

fact that of the two candidates, yours is the one with a massive fortune amassed in a few short years during intermissions from 'public service'. Bernie has less $$ than most people I know, Hillary has $$ like the movie stars I know. She's worth tens of millions herself and Bill is worth even more. Very wealthy people, and obviously they have put much effort into gaining as much as possible, not just a large nest egg but a vast personal fortune...
The priorities are as obvious as your lexicon. Transparent as your time on DU.

[salinsky]

69. Alert!! Alert!!!

Someone's telling the truth about the purity candidate!

SWARM!! SWARM!! SWARM!!!

[treestar]

134. It is anti-Semitic only because Bernie is Jewish

so you can say this about Hillary because she is not Jewish?

This is carrying things a bit far.

[treestar]

135. Stick to the issue rather than going after the poster

that way you can avoid ad hominem fallacy.

[Duckhunter935]

70. I did

He has bill to pay. Unlike Hillary in 2008

[Renew Deal]

31. Yet you think you deserve respect?

With that sig line?

[Kelvin Mace]

99. Well, I am questioning her politics with my sig

not her honesty.

[Duckhunter935]

68. So true

[Zen Democrat]

91. OMG! Thatcher? These boobs should write-in the Corpse of Ronald Reagan!

What utter stupidity! Golda Meir went to war. Margaret Thatcher went to war. Indira Ghandi went to war. Hillary Clinton (fill in blanks).

[Lil Missy]

112. Many feel the same way about you. n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

117. Certainly your privilege

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I haven't looked at the exact numbers

But once Hillary's Pledged + Super Delegate total exceeds the amount necessary to garner the nomination the media will claim she is the presumptive nominee. That presumption will be virtually impossible to overturn, refute or rebut.

[Renew Deal]

33. That could happen this week if almost all of the remaining supers jump on board.

[Thinkingabout]

8. He lied about Hillary's support of all of the trade bills, the one trade bill she voted no

As Senator, voting records can not be rewritten even if it is Sanders trying to do so. He wants the rich to pay their fair share if taxes, the Clintons pay at a 35% rate, Sanders pays less than 10%. Clinton should be saying the rich needs to pay.

[Scuba]

49. "He lied about Hillary's support of all of the trade bills ..." Source please.

[aikoaiko]

9. There is nothing dishonest in what he said.

I can't trust a HRC supporter to judge anyone's character.

[Surya Gayatri]

12. I hope his newly adopted Dem colleagues roundly chastise him, when he slinks back into the Senate.

He should be stripped of his committee seats and kicked out of the caucus.

[salinsky]

13. They should do much more than that ... nt

[Bluenorthwest]

14. deliberately dishonest:

[R B Garr]

21. I'm curious if you watched the entire funeral coverage that this was cut from.

You keep spamming this excerpt, but I'm curious if you watched the entire coverage and the rest of what was said.

[bahrbearian]

39. I watched to the end

[Scuba]

51. Snort!

[bahrbearian]

60. Then I threw up a little.

[Scuba]

62. Yeah, but that smackdown made it all worthwhile.

[R B Garr]

110. lol, do you think Bernie would spit on former associates or contacts in the Senate

or ex-Presidents of current Presidents or current or former Congressmen? Maybe you fantasize he might kick them or something. These kinds of picture associations are so unrealistically unreal. People behave with decorum. Bush also hugged Merkel of Germany. She didn't spit on him, either.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. That's footage from after the funeral, not during the funeral. I'm curious as to why you

find such inexcusable mendacity in service to Republicans to be acceptable in some contexts? Her claims are nasty, entirely false and the opposite of the truth, she credits Ron and Nancy for heroically doing the very things they are despised for refusing to do for years and years as tens of thousands of Americans died.
What could mitigate that? What mitigates that in your mind? I'm curious. How in the world can you excuse, defend or rationalize that rhetoric? Were you a Reagan Democrat?

The OP claims Bernie is being 'deliberately dishonest' but here's Hillary being horrifically dishonest and none of her supporters give a flying fuck, as you display here. There is no excuse for what she said and thus far she has not bothered to make amends. She does not give a flying fuck. Same as her supporters.

[Silver_Witch]

77. Exactly. Thank you!

[R B Garr]

104. I figured you would have this outpouring of name calling and nastiness.

What did you think of ALL the coverage, then. Since you watched it all.

And what do you think of Bernie praising and visiting the Vatican? The most anti-LGBT entity in all the land...

[salinsky]

125. It was obvious from the get go that she meant Alzheimers and simply ...

... misspoke and said HIV-AIDS.

It was unfortunate, she apologized, and that should've been the end of it.

But, you insist on misrepresent it into some enormous conspiratorial lie.

That's dishonest.

[mountain grammy]

82. +1

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. I'd trash this,

but I might keep this one around a while for some more laughs.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. Yawn...

[R B Garr]

24. Agreed he knows it's dishonest since he has been asked about why he denigrated the super

delegates before he thought they might be useful for his own purposes. His flip flop about superdelegates was questioned again on the Sunday shows, so he knows something about his current position is not entirely honest.

[Jester Messiah]

25. What part of fighting until the end don't you understand?

Bernie's not here to make it easy for your candidate. He's here to fight for what he believes in. If that's "damaging" to the party then the party is part of the problem.

[R B Garr]

27. Losing and then claiming you're winning has nothing to do with the party.

It's just a gimmick. Yet another gimmick from his campaign.

[Silver_Witch]

75. I am a supporter...

...not one of Bernie's request for donations says he is winning. We are in it till the end. If you don't like that we will fight to the last ballot that is your problem not ours!

[R B Garr]

106. What I said is that it's a gimmick. Losing an election and then claiming you are winning

is a gimmick. If you are behind in all the numbers and claim you are going to win by other means, and then tell people off when they notice that gimmick, then it sounds like the problems is yours. Not mine.

[Silver_Witch]

138. I posted and will re-post...

...that no one thinks Bernie is winning. Hell Bernie doesn't think Bernie is winning...obviously you don't get his emails. The simple truth is we are in the campaign till the campaign is over...that is June...save your judgment till them.

[R B Garr]

145. O.K., the end in June is different than going to a convention in July just to be contrary.

Going to a convention when you are behind in all counts just to be obnoxious is gimmicky. That's mostly what I was responding to.

[Silver_Witch]

146. You are complaining about something that has not happened.

That is what is amazing to me. Wait till the last primary see what the facts are at that time and then, if it is "unfair" complain. All this posting about what "might happen" is such a waste and makes it seem as if running for the primary is wrong. Hell Clinton stayed in till several days after the last primary in 08.

What is good for one is fair for both!

[R B Garr]

156. FFS, Sanders himself was on my TeeVee saying he was going to the convention.

I said it was a GIMMICK to go and act obnoxious to pretend you are not losing when you are. Nothing about "unfair", LOL. THAT'S what I was commenting on. Looks like YOU are the one complaining. Good Lord! Clinton was in a much better position than Sanders when she finally conceded. Sanders is not nearly in her position. Not even the same "comparison".

So quit pretending the situations are the same. You just said he would stay in until June. Now you're confirming you want him to be obnoxious at the convention even though he's LOSING. Get real.

[Bangbangdem]

107. Exactly

We are out to complete the process. These maroons don't seem to understand. When did Hillary bow out in 08? Yeesh. Calling Bernie a snake oil salesman is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance.

[Silver_Witch]

137. I think the OP is just rude...

and a name calling angry person.

I don't understand why they feel the need to post over and over about how we choose to vote, spend our money or think.

[Bangbangdem]

159. I agree

Let's keep composure. This is not the worst we have heard from these idiots. Take it with a grain of salt, disagree, or request a jury to look at it.

[salinsky]

29. He could've taken this to the convention with dignity ...

... but, he has chosen to pump his supporters with delusions and bitterness.

Shameful.

The downfall of the purity candidate is difficult to watch.

[TheCowsCameHome]

32. Difficult to watch?

You're probably high-fiving your dog and popping cheap champagne.

Good luck what's-her-name this fall.

[Jester Messiah]

46. What an interesting perspective. n/t

[jeff47]

73. Dignity like saying the nominee might get assassinated? (nt)

[Amaril]

118. Wow

This certainly has you worked up........like Sanders personally insulted you or broke up with you or hurt your little feelings.

Maybe go for a walk or something. Take some deep breaths.

[salinsky]

122. I am disappointed ....

.... sadly the man and his campaign have not lived up to his message.

[Demsrule86]

57. What he is doing is not fighting the good fight

He has lost and is asking for money just the same. The idea that he has a right to overturn the will of the voters based on questionable polls is just awful-very disappointing.

[WhiteTara]

92. Then why did he join it if he wants to destroy it?

Seems that he should have started his own. This makes him an opportunist, at least.

[Sunlei]

30. I want Sanders to stay in & take us ALL through the entire process of our primary.

For many voters this is their first election, for others this may be the first time they have paid such close attention. Let us all observe the process.

[salinsky]

53. If his supporters come to realize that they are being lied to ...

... this may turn out to be a useful learning experience.

[Sunlei]

76. Neither of them have "lied" to anyone. Our one vote is the only democracy America has, let the proce

process continue to the conclusion of a nominee choice. Everyone in every state should be able to vote in their primary.

I expect to hear both Mrs. Clinton and Senator Sanders speak at the primary convention. I don't think either of them will be a sore loser or denigrate each others supporters.

[salinsky]

100. Bernie is claiming that all the delegates count for the denominator but ...

... only the pledged delegates count in the numerator.

That's just dishonest, and it's not how math works.

[Sunlei]

108. We'll work through it during the convention, after every State-all Ds have cast their primary vote.

[Demsrule86]

59. Hey he can stay in through California

He helps Democrats down ballot...we don't want crazy Trump voters picking two GOP candidates that would run in the general ...they have a weird system in California. After that he needs to go...if he stays in until the convention ...then he must be retiring because he is done politically and so is any movement.

[Gothmog]

34. There will be no open Democratic convention

Sanders is lying to his supporters to try to keep the small dollar donations coming

[CrowCityDem]

35. He's not wrong about the numbers, but he's batcrap crazy to think any Supers will pick him.

[Doctor_J]

38. Unlike Mrs. Clinton, who claims she is against the TPP

[bahrbearian]

47. "I'm a progressive who likes to get things done" Iraq, Honduras, Syria,Libya...

[Kittycat]

80. We came, we saw, he died."

Sounds so much like a Bushism, I just thinking about it.

And she laughed. Why? Who is laughing now?

[LexVegas]

40. Tad and Jeff make more $$. nt

[Triana]

41. YOU with this again?

[Scuba]

43. Salinsky, we've known that Bernie is a long-shot from the get-go. That hasn't dampened ...

... our enthusiasm for the truths he speaks.

If you think Bernie's supporters are just going to throw in the towel and support the antithesis of everything Bernie stands for, you're kidding yourself.




Now, about that dishonesty thing ...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/270378-top-reactions-in-survey-clinton-dishonest-sanders-socialist

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/12/15/clintons-persistent-honesty-problem/

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670#ixzz47V8vORKW

In the days before Hillary Clinton launched an unprecedented big-money fundraising vehicle with state parties last summer, she vowed “to rebuild our party from the ground up,” proclaiming “when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen."

But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings.

[livetohike]

44. Has he ever been to a Democratic Convention? He acts like he doesn't know how things work.

Do they have bouncers? Because if his intention is to disrupt, he will need to be escorted out.

[Cha]

87. "Do they have bouncers.."?

It would be great!

[mountain grammy]

45. Unbelievable thread here

What a way to win over liberal Democrats who support Senator Sanders. Clinton has raking in millions from those who oppose most liberal policies. Has she been bought? Her vote for the Iraq war tells me yes. Bernie has been "bought" by millions of working people and that's who he represents. Let's face it, Goldman Sachs can match us with one check and does, and that's who Hillary represents.

[salinsky]

66. That's what is so craven and callous about this ...

... he's clearly bullshitting and feeding a line of magic math to millions of people obviously unfamiliar with how this process works.

Many are first time voters.

This fraud is going to leave them disillusioned and bitter and will do real damage to the party.

He is bringing dishonor and disrepute onto his legacy.

It really is a shame.

[mountain grammy]

79. We all know how this process works

Money talks.. That's exactly why we're supporting Bernie. Go ahead, support your 1% candidate, but don't insult Bernie supporters about not understanding how the system works. We understand all too well. That's why I'm still giving $20 a month to the candidate who represents me. I'm sick of the greed, sick of the wars, and sick of the same old shit, but if that's what you want, go right ahead and support your candidate.. She' the one, and certainly better than Republicans..

[JudyM]

130. You are the one who clearly doesn't know what is happening here. You will see soon enough.

DOJ made a very telling statement to the FOIA court a couple of days ago. If you don't know what a "referral" is, you might want to do some reading about it.

[pmorlan1]

153. I Guess 538 Is Using Magic Math Too

Even fivethirtyeight (no friend of Bernie) says that it's still mathematically possible that he can win. So it's not over till it's over.

Bernie Sanders still has a mathematical shot at the Democratic presidential nomination, but his chances are growing ever slimmer.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/elections-podcast-the-legacy-of-bernie-sanders/

[Demsrule86]

54. I agree completely

And these kids are not rich either. They are using their grocery and rent money. AWFUL!

[CanadaexPat]

56. Maybe he should just run up a big debt

and insist Clinton retire it in return for his support.

[angrychair]

58. Transparency

You have have been here 2 months and got 5 hides, 3 for calling Sanders a cheater or a liar. It appears you are heading for another.

I think we need a little artistic repose.
Living under a bridge, looking for goats, fear the sun, as hard as a rock you may become, all your stories become undone
Lying, cheating and stole, what does that make the creature that yearns for its legend to be told?

[Demsrule86]

61. NO it appears

the rules have altered to stop Sanders supporters from trashing every post critical of their guy...about time.

[angrychair]

78. Ok

seem a little tense.
If this upsets you than if she does get the nomination to go against tRump and election time comes and only 30% of Democrats actually vote for her because that want her and the remaining Dems and independents and republicans are not votes for her but votes against tRump, that is surely going to sting.

[AlaskaDave]

63. Thank you David Brock....

I love it when I see these Brock talking points being posted by his paid operatives. Brings back my fond recollections of Karl Rove.

[Silver_Witch]

65. Why do you care if Bernie.....is "milking his supporters".

You hate us anyway so why do you care? I would think you would be laughing that we are silly enough to keep sending him money!

No I think it is something else that is making you mad about OUR support for Bernie! Maybe you hate seeing that we really believe in him. Or maybe you are jealous that he is clearly adored. Not sure why you posted this rant that reveals more about you than Bernie!

Perhaps a little self-examination is called for!

[salinsky]

67. Because it's craven and callous ...

... he's clearly bullshitting and feeding a line of magic math to millions of people obviously unfamiliar with how this process works.

Many are first time voters.

This fraud is going to leave them disillusioned and bitter and will do real damage to the party.

He is bringing dishonor and disrepute onto his legacy.

It really is a shame.

[Silver_Witch]

81. You are the real shame here my friend!

I am neither young nor uneducated about the process and I am sending Bernie money regularly! I will spend my vote and my money as I see fit. Not as someone else determines it should be spent.

You are so full of hate it has blinded you. I feel sorry for you!

[TM99]

113. Son, the only thing

that leaves us bitter and disillusioned is the bullshit you Clinton sycophants post here daily.

You don't give a shit about his honor or dignity or legacy.

You feel no shame.

This is just more of your authoritarian fall in line bullshit.

[salinsky]

121. Thanks for assigning to me motives, but that dog won't hunt ...

I know you won't be able to take it at face value (because Brock! or third way! or some other nonsense), but I waited until two weeks before the FLA primary to decide on a candidate.

Bernie's message actually resonates with me more than Hillary's, but in the end I decided that Hillary would be stronger in the GE (and we don't need to rehash that either - it's water under the bridge at this point).

My single issue is keeping a Repuke out of the White House, where they could dismantle the progress made by President Obama and turn the SCOTUS deeply reactionary for a generation.

I wish Bernie could accept the fact that his campaign is now a part of Occupy, BLM, and the dozens of other technology driven and people powered movements marking the dawn of a new progressive era.

Unfortunately the man and his campaign have not lived up to his message.

[TM99]

123. Y'all dismiss

the reality of Brock and the reality of the New Dems.

Hillary is an atrocious GE candidate. This is a known fact from polls to trustworthiness.

You are voting against something and fail to realize that most adults vote for something.

I do not need to assign motives as you express them all very clearly for us to see. You dismiss Occupy, BLM, and Sanders as not living up to his message and yet all have succeeded. They will continue to succeed. And eventually they and we will tear down the corporate backed New Dem cancer that has infected the left.

[seabeyond]

72. None of them care, that is not the point or intent or motive. Disruption. Chaos. That is the intent.

To walk in and attack the Democratic party as a whole causing destruction and chaos. There is no other purpose. It is the continuation of a collective tantrum causing as much problem as they can for our candidate and for our party.

[silenttigersong]

74. Oh cut it out lol

Sen Sanders can give to downticket candidates,or a charity.

[99Forever]

84. Just when you think Hillarians can't act like bigger jerks...

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...one of them proves you wrong.

Tell me again why I would want to join forces with the likes of you.

[Beowulf]

85. How is what Bernie is doing any different from what Al From and the Clinton's did in the 80's?

Both attempted to transform the Democratic Party. The Clintons did it through corporate cash while Bernie is doing it through common people.

I doubt very many Bernie supporters are being duped. We know what his chances for the nomination are. But our goals are bigger than one presidential primary and staying in the race keeps those goals front and center. This is something so many Hillary supporters are incapable of understanding because for them it's never been about issues, it's been about the game. Issues just get in the way of playing the game.

[riderinthestorm]

86. Your being dishonest. The more delegates he accrues, the stronger his message @ the convention

I want his message out there to the convention and beyond. The more powerful we can make him the better.

[salinsky]

97. He is saying it will be a contested convention ...

... when he knows it will not.

What do you call a person who knowing advances a falsehood to convince people to give him money?

[Betty Karlson]

88. "deliberately dishonest" - once more, the inequities of one candidate

are projected onto the other.

[pinebox]

89. A Hillary supporter calling out dishonesty?

You might have your head in the sand about your own candidate if....

[Fast Walker 52]

93. yes, he's clearly THE WORST PERSON EVER!

[Octafish]

94. Not as dishonest as your post.

Guy's entire adult life has been lived in service of humanity and the advance of civilization.

Contrast that with working for Walmart to bust unions and go global.

[salinsky]

98. Math is not dishonest ...

... Bernie is claiming that all the delegates count for the denominator but only the pledged delegates count in the numerator.

That's just dishonest, and it's not how math works.

[JudyM]

131. Narrow view of reality.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

96. I welcome your hate.

No, seriously, I do. It means I am doing something right. .

[tonyt53]

102. I have come to realize that Bernie just likes to hear himself talk

[rock]

109. "Super delegates are included in the total delegates needed by design. "

Exactly right, else their total number would not be in the formula for the half-total + 1 = winning number. Duh.

Excellent point. Great post. Welcome to DU. Hope you stay a while.

[MADem]

115. His fundraising has been cut in HALF. It's all over but the sobbing.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-05022016-htmlstory.html
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-05012016-bernie-sanders-urges-hilary-clinton-super-delegate-1462136224-htmlstory.html

Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign brought in just $26 million in April as contributions plummeted from earlier months, another sign of his fading candidacy.

[salinsky]

116. That seems to be what all this contested convention BS is all about ...

... "Send me enough money, and I will rearrange the laws of mathematics more to your liking."

[MADem]

120. No one is sending the money. The die-hards will keep on (and they'll send the money in

response to reading stuff like "It's all over but the sobbing" on the internet) but the fact that his receipts have dropped by TWENTY MILLION in a single month tells me that people are cancelling those recurring payments at a breakneck speed, and they're not clicking/sending that "Impulse" I BELIEVE money with the credit card on file.

When he went racing off to Rome after telling everyone he was invited by the Pope, and that hot mess went all pear-shaped, it was obvious that was the beginning of the end. Then, the MASSIVE layoffs, done wholesale--and he didn't even do the firing himself. Like a corporate boss, he had his lackey Weaver deliver the death blow. And, worse than a corporate boss, he didn't even give 'em two weeks severance. Talk about COLD. Maybe if he'd skipped the trip to Roma he could have kept those poor schmucks on for another month, and given them an opportunity to make other arrangements.

As for the math, the only question is, will he move swiftly in adding up the realities and coming to a sum of zero, or will he take his sweet time, drag this out for a while, chewing on the end of his number two pencil, erasing, brushing the paper, doing over, head-scratching, fiddling and fidgeting? He keeps saying the latter, but if his fundraising keeps circling the pan, he'll be back in the center seat of the airplane--and travelling SOUTHWEST to boot!

[Maru Kitteh]

124. Agreed - his "revolution" is now an image projected on vapor

An illusion, with only one apparent purpose at this point. $$$$

[dchill]

127. "Shameful." For someone to DARE run against...

such an obviously inevitable nominee. What does he think this is - a democracy? OP is a serial "misrepresenter" - to put it nicely.

Wouldn't you feel better if you actually had something true, or at least intellectually honest to post?

[Kip Humphrey]

128. We are not misled but perhaps you are.

[bkkyosemite]

129. Admit it! You just are trying in hopes of discouraging us from giving any more donations..

I'm donating now.

[salinsky]

154. Don't forget to flush ... nt

[George II]

132. A convention can be "contested" only AFTER the first ballot, not before. Since he's never deigned..

...to lower himself to participate in Democratic Party proceeding before this year, he doesn't understand how this works (or he pretends he doesn't know for fundraising purposes)

The Democratic Party National Convention will not be "contested", and Hillary Clinton will win the nomination on the first ballot, if it's not by acclamation.

[Avalux]

133. When I see Jon Stewart's face looking sideways at your words it makes me laugh!

He thinks you're full of it too.

[ibegurpard]

139. I'll survive

[kentuck]

147. $$$$$

So long as it keeps rolling in.

[Orsino]

148. Nope. He just understands what "contested" means.

If two candidates appear at the convention, so that a vote is necessary, that's contested. Seems likely.

[BootinUp]

149. The longer this goes on the less well it will end. nt

[workinclasszero]

150. Money Money Money

[left-of-center2012]

151. Next he'll be giving speeches to Wall Street billionaires

Oh wait ~~ that's Hillary I'm thinking of.

[bkkyosemite]

155. First of all you make it sound like his supporters are dumb don't know anything and just give

Bernie money cuz well just because. We know what Bernie is doing and we are for what he is doing. And he would not be bringing in the money if we hadn't made that decision individually. It is not dishonest! Go Bernie!

[bjo59]

157. What absolute balderdash. Dream on.

[frylock]

158. I bet he doesn't have to beg for money to pay off his campaign debt like Hillary did.

He isn't a deadbeat either, like Hillary.

[Gothmog]

160. I have never accepted the argument that Sanders is electable

Sanders is totally unvetted because the new media does not believe that he will be the nominee and the Clinton campaign has been treating Sanders with kids gloves. There is a ton of stuff that would be used by Trump to destroy Sanders. I am not willing to risk the control of the SCOTUS to a candidate who I firmly believe is not electable. Trump and Rove has way too much material that would destroy Sanders in a general election.