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YouDig

(2,280 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:35 PM May 2016

Bernie's superdelegate theory makes no sense at all.

He's complaining about how in Washington he won the caucus by a huge margin but the superdelegates are still going for Hillary. Here's the problem with that line of thinking.

If all the SDs vote the way their state went, Bernie loses.
If all the SDs vote for whoever got more pledged delegates nationwide, Bernie loses.
If all the SDs vote for whoever got more popular votes, Bernie loses.
If all the SDs vote for whoever they think is a better candidate, Bernie loses.

In other words, any consistent theory of how superdelegates "should" vote results in Hillary winning. So it seems to me, what he's really trying to say is that delegates from states that he won should respect the voters of their state, but delegates from states he lost shouldn't.

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Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
1. What's the problem here? Bernie is doing what all politicians do when they are behind,
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

they fight and argue and they dont give up, unless they weren't really in it for the win in the first place.

Giving up is not what his supporters expect.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
2. And I'm doing what people who follow politics do: point out when politicians say
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

things that make no sense at all.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
4. So, basically an "ends justify the means" argument?
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:40 PM
May 2016

Surely that puts a lid on the "Sanders is the only ethical candidate" shtick, then.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. "Giving up is not what his supporters expect."
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:42 PM
May 2016

That covers a lot of ground and cannot be defined by you. Most all of his supporters don't want him to give up. I have personally said he shouldn't call it quits. That doesn't mean those are the only two options. To present it as such has no place in real discussion. Many of his supporters, including here, want him to continue to the convention but tone back the attacks on the party and damage he is doing going into the general. They don't want him to give up, they want him to go into the convention with as much clout as possible. At the current rate, he is actually diminishing his clout. That is from comments Sanders, Weaver, Jane, etc. are making.

"Giving up is not what his supporters expect."

That is a very complex statement that cannot be wrapped up with the simple lines of your post in any way that has meaning.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. Yes, he loses ... but in some cases ... he loses by less. (See? It's an ego thing.)
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:43 PM
May 2016

It's all about Bernie. Always has been, always will be (in my opinion.)

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
7. His argument That it Is Not Fair to Insurgent Campaign Was Similarly Disproved by Obama
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

but I agree that it may be difficult for a Democratic Socialist to win Super Delegates in a DEMOCRATIC primary against a popular Democratic candidate who has 25 years of experience in the Democratic Party and a solid record of supporting both the Democratic Party and its candidates. There is a reason Obama was successful with Super Delegates and Sanders has failed miserably

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