Voters Have Learned the Truth about Hillary:

[amborin]

[Gomez163]

1. And Vince Foster

[juxtaposed]

30. What does foster have to do with it? Hillary and her corporate overlords wanted a DAM built...

[bobthedrummer]

46. Maggie Williams is one example of those that put their fingers in the dykes for the Clintons imo.

Maggie Williams (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Williams

[JoePhilly]

48. + 1

[w4rma]

71. Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/11/before_her_assassination_berta_caceres_singled

[Mnpaul]

91. Why do Hillary supporters talk about Vince Foster?

They seem more obsessed over Vince Foster than the right.

I guess it beats dealing with the issue at hand. Post Vince Foster and go into victim mode seems to be their MO.

[MattP]

2. You're accusing Hillary of assassination a month ago?

[Human101948]

77. Aiding and abetting would be more accurate...

Hard choices: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath

As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government “rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries,” opening the door for further “violence and anarchy.”

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html

[Henhouse]

3. Yes they have...that explains why she is beating Bernie...Voters know the truth N/t

[zappaman]

32. No reason to belittle newer posters just because they haven't been long, Rick.

We were all new here at some time, my friend!

[Baobab]

34. We need to understand HRC is pushing us into very bad trade policy decisions made by her husband 20

years ago.

Which will heavily impact skilled jobs - Basically a huge guest worker program.

[Henhouse]

65. I've been a member since 2002 but just lurked until the Berniacs took over the joint..nt

[randr]

74. That is actually a personal comment

You are transparent.

[rhett o rick]

75. As is yours. Not sure of your point. nm

[senz]

68. If the MSM did its job they would.

[SFnomad]

4. That's why BS is behind by about 300 delegates and 3 million voters, right? n/t

[-none]

6. You don't think election fraud and rigged DNC rules don't have anything to do with that?

I'm not finding too many people admitting they like Hillary and I'm in Missouri, where Claire McCaskill keeps getting re-elected.

[OilemFirchen]

7. Allow me...

I do "think election fraud and rigged DNC rules don't have anything to do with that".

Double negatives are not no fun!

[SFnomad]

8. You need to get out of your bubble a little more often then, there are Clinton supporters everywhere

No, I don't believe there has been election fraud. Not to say there hasn't been issues ... but the vast majority of issues that there has been, has affected BOTH Secretary Clinton and BS. I am VERY concerned about places like AZ in the General Election because of it.

Rigged DNC rules? Rules that have been around for decades? Yeah, they created SDs back in the 70s(?); set up the registration rules in NY decades ago; and everything else; because they knew that Secretary Clinton was going to be running against BS in 2016 ... and they wanted to screw him. How much tin foil do you require for that hat?

[-none]

12. You say that with Debbie DINO running the show?

You know the Florida democratic Senator in charge of the DNC? The one that backs Republicans over Democrats?

[SFnomad]

15. FFS, this is why you people aren't taken very seriously n/t

[glowing]

31. It's very true... Debbie is locked into that seat for life, it seems.

She has repeatedly supported Republican candidates over Democratic candidates time and time again down here. She is a progressive who lives in FL's nightmare.. But then again, the entire party "elite", is very, very DINO-like. AND look at how F'd up FL really is. Look at that freak of a Gov.

Now, if you are a wealthy elite from her neck of the woods, supporting predatory lending is probably just A-ok with everyone.

[SFnomad]

33. #smh ... yeah, I'm not going to be taking you seriously anytime soon ... buh bye n/t

[virtualobserver]

56. she puts friendships with Republicans above supporting Democrats

As chair of the “Red to Blue” campaign for electing House Democrats, she refused to campaign against three Republicans in Florida because of prior friendships and their joint support for the state sugar industry.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24478039.html

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

''At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant,'' Wasserman Schultz said.

The decision comes as Democrats believe they have their best shot in years to defeat at least one of the Cuban-American incumbents with a roster of Democrats that include former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, outgoing Miami-Dade Democratic party chair Joe Garcia and businesswoman Annette Taddeo.

[SFnomad]

58. After reading the entire article, it's hard to get worked up about this

The Democrats had no names for the challengers at that time. And DWS said she would sit on the sidelines and request the DNC get someone else to do that work, which means she wasn't campaigning for or against the Republican candidate. glowing's charge was that DWS was "supporting" Republican candidates. This doesn't show that in the slightest.

[JoePhilly]

49. + 1

[BootinUp]

9. Accept the election results or not. Your choice.

[griffi94]

10. I think Bernie lost

300 delegates and 3 million votes is insurmountable at this point.

Doesn't MO usually go red in presidental elections.

[-none]

13. They went of Obama.

[griffi94]

16. Not in 2012

Romney carried MO.
Obama still won.

Hillary will win with or without MO.

[-none]

18. Not if they pull Hillary's security clearance.

Plenty of reason to do so.

[griffi94]

19. Or if she's abducted by space aliens hahahaha.

Really grasping now.

It's over.
Hillary will be our nominee and the next president.

[-none]

20. While she may be the nominee...

She has too much baggage for her not to be impeached. Whatever, Hillary will at best (or worst) only be a one term President.
Both front runners are hated to much for either to actually win the General.
It is going to get interesting.

[griffi94]

21. She'll be a fine president

The made up scandals won't stick any better than they ever have.

I expect she'll serve 2 full terms and continue
the progress started by President Obama.

[-none]

25. Most of those scandals are not made up.

We need Someone like Bernie Sanders in there, to get a real recovery started. Not some 3rd Way Republican Lite, that the Republicans are starting to come around for.

[griffi94]

28. Bernie is finished

The voters disagree with you.
They want Hillary.

She's ahead by 300 delegates and 3 million votes.

The majority just didn't have any faith in Bernie.

[ViseGrip]

63. Delegate count yesterday was 204 not 300. Today, in WA he got 49, she got 18. Guam 4-3.

Time to take another count.....

[griffi94]

64. Yeah Okay

He's still done.

I saw he got more delegates from Washington
it isn't going to make a dfference.

There aren't enough open primary big delegate states
left for him to make up what he lost in the south and NY MD PA.

Since none of the states are winner take all
the best he can hope for is to chip away her lead but
there are only what 8 more contests.

He's out of rope.

[Matariki]

88. Neither Clinton or Sanders will have enough delegates to clinch the nomination

It's going to be a contested convention.

Your "it'a all over" talk is naught but hot air and amateur psyops.

[griffi94]

93. Right

Because the superdelegates are going to break
for the outsider candidate with the fewest pledged delegates and less actual votes
just because his supporters really really really want him to win.
Hahahahahaha.

It'll be over on the first ballot.

To even get the superdelegates to consider flipping to Bernie he'd have to
be ahead in pledged delegates and votes.

Not going to happen.

He's out of rope.

[840high]

51. Yes they do. I don't

know any people who voted for her.

[uponit7771]

22. Only in Unicornia does this type of thinking exist

[SFnomad]

23. Unicornia? Is that anywhere near Angrywhitemanistan? and Outer Wingnuttia? n/t

[uponit7771]

27. lol... yeap

[BootinUp]

5. Feel the Truthiness!

[unapatriciated]

36. That doesn't mean what you think it does.

Truthiness definition: Truthiness is a quality characterizing a "truth" that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively "from the gut" or because it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.[1]


I have now seen this word used twice in support of Clinton, maybe you are right there is no logic or intellectual examination, or facts when it comes to her Policies.

I don't think you really understood Colbert.

[BootinUp]

40. I understand it perfectly, but my attempt at satirizing the OP

apparently wasn't clear to you.

[unapatriciated]

41. could have been that your

"attempt at satirizing the OP" was just that an attempt.

[BootinUp]

42. But you get it now right?

[unapatriciated]

43. maybe you should read post 17

There is a reason grounded in actual facts as to why they are protesting. So no, your use of that term does not fit.

[BootinUp]

44. Octafish? Please

That poster does nothing but spread crazy conspiracy theories. I don't even need to look at it to know thats what it is.

[Octafish]

61. Nice smear, bootinup. Show where I'm wrong. I'll apologize and correct my mistake.

I've posted on DU for 14 years. If I wasn't telling the truth, I'd be long gone.

All are invited to go through my journals on DU3 or DU2
and search for mistakes, lies or propaganda.

You won't find any that I put there intentionally, which is more than my smear artist critics can say.

[madokie]

79. You Octafish

are one of the main reason I come here. I've learned more from your post than any others here. For that I thank you.

Peace

[MattP]

14. So she stopped her campaign last month and killed Berta?

[Octafish]

17. Sec. Clinton trumped Pres. Obama on Honduras.

Originally, President Obama backed ousted Honduran president (supporters shown in civilian clothes below).

Secretary of State Clinton said, no, the gangsters are on our side, trumping Democracy and Justice.

Dancing with Monsters: The U.S. Response to the 2009 Honduran Coup

"A coup anywhere in Latin America is a very big deal.”

By Alvaro Valle
Harvard Political Review, April 13, 2015

SNIP...

The U.S. Response

Latin American governments immediately denounced Zelaya’s ouster as a military coup. The United States was not quite as decisive in its diction, with the initial statement from the Obama administration merely calling on “all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms.” Obama did go on to denounce the coup in the following days, but Frank noted that Obama’s characterization of the government change was very important. “He very clearly failed to call it a military coup. If he had called it a military coup, the United States would have had to immediately suspend all police and military aid,” Frank explained. “Eventually some money sent was suspended, but the vast majority was not.”

Following the coup, President Obama called many times for the reinstatement of Zelaya. In contrast, Secretary of State Clinton made remarks that were far more equivocal. When asked if the United States had any plans to alter aid to the coup government, , “Much of our assistance is conditioned on the integrity of the democratic system. But if we were able to get to a status quo that returned to the rule of law and constitutional order within a relatively short period of time, I think that would be a good outcome.” Clinton seemed to prioritize having a stable regime over preserving democratic ideals.

As further evidence, Clinton wrote in her book, Hard Choices, “In the subsequent days [after the coup] … we strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot,” revealing that even as the administration publicly advocated for Zelaya’s return, Clinton was not working to ensure that it would happen.

Pastor added that Clinton had personal connections with supporters of the coup government that may have led her to soften her stance. For instance, Lanny Davis, Bill Clinton’s former personal lawyer and a longtime Hillary Clinton supporter, lobbied in Washington for the Honduran coup government, Honduran elites, the Business Council of Latin America, and the American companies that took issue with Zelaya’s reforms. Bennett Ratcliff, another top Democratic campaigner with close ties to the Clintons, also worked for the Honduran coup government as a lobbyist in Washington. These personal connections to advocates for the coup government raise troubling concerns that political ties influenced Clinton’s stance.

In Clinton’s defense, these personal connections were not the only political forces supporting the coup. Levitsky noted that initial opposition to the coup in the United States may have given way because “Republicans held a couple of major U.S.-Latin America appointments: the Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs and the Ambassador to Brazil. They held these positions hostage to a softening of U.S. policy toward the coup government.”

CONTINUED w/ links sources etc....

http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/us-honduran-coup/

Of course, it's plausible that all this just happened to favor Empire at the expense of Democracy. Then, it would be mere coincidence that today many if not most of the progressive -- socialist -- regimes in South America and Central America have been replaced by rightist regimes. Kind of reminds me of another time in history when the State Department/CIA made an end-around directives from the Oval Office.

[dreamnightwind]

26. Thanks for this, knew all about Lanny Davis' role but

but hadn't read about Bennett Ratcliff or Bob Squier (in the second Guardian article you linked). Democrats with their hands in the third world cookie jar. "Who's in charge of US foreign policy?", indeed, an excellent question.

[Octafish]

47. Did I tell you about the time I met Jean Bertrand Aristide?

It was 1991, a short time after the generals, with the tacit approval of Poppy Bush, overthrew the first democratically elected leader in 70 years of the poorest nation in the hemisphere. I wrote about it 13 years or so later on DU:

Aristide told me the Generals ran Dope, Inc. on Haiti. Personally.

Posted by Octafish in General Discussion (Through 2005)
Sat Mar 20th 2004, 06:49 PM

Sorry if the following is an old read. The thing held true then and holds true still…

I met Jean Bertrand-Aristide after he was deposed by the generals in the early 90s. He came to metro Detroit and spoke before the Cranbrook Peace Foundation.

The newspaper I then worked for didn’t see any reason for sending me to cover Aristide’s speech. The editors weren’t BFEE, but the events on a Caribbean island just weren’t “local” enough for their budget. So, I went on my own time.

The Cranbrook people were happy to see me. They wanted, of course, as much coverage as possible. So, they invited me and the other interested reporter types to have at him for an hour before his address.

I’m ashamed to report, at an important event in two nation’s larger media market, only a couple of CBC radio reporters out of Windsor and one local Detroit TV crew bothered to show. I was the lone print guy. Anyway…

Aristide answered every question asked in English or French. He also told us about life in Haiti, where there were four doctors to care for 4 million people. Another interesting stat: One percent of the population own 99-percent of the property.

I asked Aristide what the United States could do to help him restore democracy to Haiti? Aristide said all Poppy Doc Bush had to do was pick up the phone, call the generals and say, “Get out,” and they would quit their coup and the first democratically elected leader of Haiti in 75 years would be returned to power. Bush didn't and Aristide wasn't until Clinton sent the US Marines, many years and many Haitian lives later.

The reason for Bush Senior's inaction? Aristide said he didn’t know the answer, but he suspected Bush’s politics favored the landowners over the masses. (“Sounds familiar,” I then thought and still think today.)

Aristide said that the generals were deep into the wholesale cocaine importation business. Now who would be their partner in all that? Besides the wealthy landowners, for whom the Generals worked, I mean.

Original OP from 2004: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1257891&mesg_id=1259743

The Bushes and the people they front for are doing to the United States of America what the landowners of Haiti -- and those in Columbia and the other nations of the world where the small minority control the majority of wealth, land and resources. These undemocratic tools only work to enhance their own privileged positions and holdings. The rest of humanity could be cattle or piss-ants, for all they care.

You know I am a broken record when it comes to Nov. 22, 1963: The problems our nation and world face today -- from war without end to inequality and welfare for the wealthy to pollution and overpopulation to those who think "There's nothing we can do..." stem from that moment when the forces of totalitarianism took control of the US government from democracy.

[dreamnightwind]

50. Yes, I had read that post of yours in the past

with great interest.

My memory for detail is not great, but I once watched (CNN I think, not sure though, could have been PBS) Judy Woodruff do a live interview with Aristide as he was being put into a U.S. helicopter to be taken off the island for his safety (so they said). It was so surreal, I decided Woodruff had to be working for the CIA, the questions were all something off a script about the dangers of liberation theology and how Aristide had not kept his word on bringing reforms to benefit the people, with the underlying premise that us good Americans were inconvenienced by having to escort him elsewhere for his safety.

It was clearly a coup, no matter how Woodruff spun it (I think it was the removal of Aristide after he had been re-installed as leader, not sure though), and contrary to the premise of the interview, he was desperately trying to communicate that he was being taken against his will, a message Woodruff danced skillfully around.

I used to sport a window sticker that said Cocaine Import Agency, with aligned text to emphasize CIA. That window was shattered, apparently by a baseball bat, right at the location of that sticker. Must have pissed off someone.

Keep up the broken record discussion re JFK, it was essentially a coup in our own nation, no matter how the powers that be portray it.

[Octafish]

57. The Woodruff interview, I believe, was the second coup.

Unlike Bush, Clinton did try. He sent in the Marines to reinstall Aristide. On his second try, the generals stepped aside until Bush 2 in 2004. Then they helicoptered him to safety in South Africa. Now it's business as usual.

WikiLeaks details:

http://www.thenation.com/article/wikileaks-haiti-aristide-files/

Interesting times, these.

[senz]

67. Horrible.

I hope she never makes it to the presidency.

[Joob]

24. Hillary, the wrong side of History

She never chooses the right side first. Sometimes she "evolves" ...but at what cost do we say enough is enough.

[azurnoir]

29. I'd call it chameleoning as opposed to evolving

one is actual change the other merely disguising ones self to fit the situation

[Juicy_Bellows]

38. Yes, in order to evolve you must have a solid starting position.

She seems to have never stood for anything.

Convictionless on legs.

[Tarc]

35. That must be why she's ahead by 3 million votes and 300 pledged delegates?

[JoePhilly]

90. + 1

[wendylaroux]

37. greasy woman.yucky.

at least they found someone people dislike more, for her to run against.

good luck with that hills.

[Cheese Sandwich]

39. rec.

[SMC22307]

45. "Funny" how Camp Weathervane cares about Delores Huerta...

but Berta Cáceres? Not so much.

Latin American politics may be a little (a lot) too messy for them. They can't even handle protesters passionately making their thoughts known re: Hillary's deadly policy positions. How are they going to endure the GE if it is indeed Hillary v. Trump?

[COLGATE4]

82. Truer words than your last sentence have rarely been

spoken. I swear to Dog that some of the crap I've been seeing recently sounds like it was written by Jones or Jerome Corsi. Paranoia, tin-hat conspiracy conjecturing, portraying themselves as 'champions of the downtrodden workers', absolute refusal to engage in any conversation that requires facts instead of their personal fantasies. When we see this shit on Free Republic or World Nut Daily we damn near pop a hernia pointing it out and ridiculing it. But when it's posted on DU, it suddenly becomes words of great import given by deep thinkers who, alone among us are special enough to uncover all these up to now hidden conspiracies. Wow.

[cantbeserious]

53. Viva La Revolution - Down With HRC

eom

[grossproffit]

59. And mom's credit card.

[amborin]

78. callous, elitist, totally non-empathetic, and w/ zero awarness of who these individuals are

[MFM008]

55. Dont forget when

she shot Lincoln.

[fizzlerynx]

62. Bernie is the only way forward.. Period!

[COLGATE4]

83. The real question is "forward to where"? I see a great future for

him as the junior senator from Vermont, serving as minority member of the senate Committee on Landfills and Solid Waste Disposal.

[eridani]

66. Most voters really aren't paying attention n/t

[senz]

69. Where would they learn about this? Not on TV, that's for sure.

[eridani]

99. True. The revolution will not be televised.

But it will be texted, tweeted, liked and shared. But only among those interested in the first place.

[Democratic Divo]

70. All that we have learned is that this man cannot spell "assassinated". eom

[B Calm]

73. Missing one letter and you can't comprehend what the sign reads

is more of a reflection on you.

[Cobalt Violet]

72. Hillbots don't care who dies for the Queen.

[OhZone]

76. Like I said -

as this goes on. Crazy conspiracy theories will be brought up more and more.

[Trust Buster]

80. They're radicals and not traditional Democrats. Why don't they start their own party ?

[COLGATE4]

84. I've got a better idea. Why don't you and Bernie start your own party?

It may be hard - Bernie himself needed to climb aboard the Democratic Party in order to even be able to be considered part of the Presidential primaries. His Democratic Socialist (or Independent, I can't tell from one day to the next) party doesn't seem to have garnered much support.

[Trust Buster]

85. You mis-read my post. I was saying that Sanders and his supporters should start their own party.

[COLGATE4]

96. Sorry. I've read too many Bernie Bot screeds today. Need to take some time off

from DU.

[Matariki]

89. Better yet, why not be honest and just join the Republicans

Now that Ms. Clinton is openly courting Republican leadership, what's stopping you all?

[Trust Buster]

94. That's an easy one to answer. Because my candidate won and yours lost. The losing side doesn't

get to call the shots.

[Matariki]

95. Clinton has 2383 pledged delegates?

yeah, I didn't think so.

It's not over and she hasn't 'won'. Most likely it's going to be a contested convention.

[jack_krass]

81. Who gives a shot, the anointed one has 3 million more votes..

We don't care how many furiners she get killed or rightwing juntas she helps. Furriners dont vote!!!!

As demonstrated in this thread, Hillbots are morally and intellectually just a hair above Bushbots, maybe not even that.

Look for 4 very interventionist years if she gets elected.

[kgnu_fan]

87. kick

[Demsrule86]

97. I don't know why posting such things

makes you believe somehow you help Bernie...just the opposite. People like Hillary more than Bernie which is why she won and he lost.

[kstewart33]

98. But then, why do they keep voting for her?

Why isn't Bernie winning?