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This is the mentality we are dealing with.. (Original Post) DCBob May 2016 OP
The mind can definitely play tricks on people.....LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #1
So vote for the more politically correct liar? nt Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #2
You have nothing but insults and bashing for our nominee. DCBob May 2016 #3
I thought cartoons were humor, Bob. nt Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #4
Political cartoons can send powerful messages.. this one does exactly that. DCBob May 2016 #6
I'm so crushed. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #15
Warhawk or zenophobe mysoginist??? Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #5
If that is your takeway from the message of that cartoon.. DCBob May 2016 #7
LOL Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #8
Well all I can say its good to laugh.. DCBob May 2016 #9
If that's your take away you must be blined by bias Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #11
Confirms my previous post. DCBob May 2016 #14
Blinded by Bias...confirmed Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #22
I would suggest that you start your own thread if you would like to bash Hilary. DCBob May 2016 #25
The blindness of bias is strong! Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #26
You are wasting your time and effort here. DCBob May 2016 #28
Lets waste our time and efforts together Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #33
+infinite grossproffit May 2016 #35
Actually, yeah. I'd take Bush over Trump any day. Zynx May 2016 #32
The Neo-Cons LOVE the Clinton Machine... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #43
The other day I saw an on-the-street TV interview where people mindlessly repeated betsuni May 2016 #10
They are the product of RW talk radio and RW media. DCBob May 2016 #12
...And RW Talk/Media is Bill Clintons doing Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #17
1987, Bush I was in office. baldguy May 2016 #20
You are correct...it was finally repealed during the Obama administration Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #21
So how is that Bill Clinton's fault? baldguy May 2016 #24
What part of "You are correct..." don't you get? Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #27
You linked Bill Clinton to the end of the Fairness Doctrine. baldguy May 2016 #29
Edited post for accuracy Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #34
You're still blaming Bill Clinton for the end of the Fairness Doctrine. baldguy May 2016 #37
Bill Clinton pushed for this... Armstead May 2016 #38
The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987. Bush I was in office at that time. baldguy May 2016 #39
I am not referring to the Fairness Docturne...but something that has been far worse Armstead May 2016 #40
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #13
But when you go to the VRWC that created the "Hillary is a liar" meme, and ask what time it is baldguy May 2016 #18
She is a serial liar, that's not RW, that is plain to see. Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #30
Clinton is a liar because Richard Mellon Scaiffe said she was a liar. baldguy May 2016 #16
Blame Hillary for her own words... "sniper fire" Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #19
And the VRWC has been repeating that as proof for ten yrs. baldguy May 2016 #23
Yeah, because it's been going on that long Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #31
1983 baldguy May 2016 #36
What was the inciting incident? Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #41
Bill Clinton's second term as Governor. baldguy May 2016 #42
She claimed Ronald and Nancy Reagan were the Original AIDS Activists, claimed the gay Bluenorthwest May 2016 #45
She never apologized for the Bosnian Lie. NewImproved Deal May 2016 #44

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
15. I'm so crushed.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

My foolish comments just aren't worthy of such cartooning gravitas. I will aspire to grow intellectually to receive the powerful messages which are so far beyond me.

Now I haz a sad.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
7. If that is your takeway from the message of that cartoon..
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:06 AM
May 2016

you are either clueless or blinded by your bias.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
8. LOL
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:23 AM
May 2016

Project much?

The take away should be
that cluelessness or blinded by bias
is equally evident in BOTH camps.

Cluster bombs or empty rhetoric...
The *lesser of two evils* is NOT cluster bombs,
regime change, and endless war for profit.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
25. I would suggest that you start your own thread if you would like to bash Hilary.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

You will have plenty of support from others who are like-minded.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
32. Actually, yeah. I'd take Bush over Trump any day.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016

First of all, if you actually listen to Trump, we'll be in wars all the time. Secondly, he'll completely destroy basic freedoms that even our previously most ardent political opponents still wouldn't go after.

 

NewImproved Deal

(534 posts)
43. The Neo-Cons LOVE the Clinton Machine...
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:00 AM
May 2016

Perpetual War, diminished Civil Liberties and unabated Wall Street looting. Choose your Oligarch, America...

betsuni

(25,528 posts)
10. The other day I saw an on-the-street TV interview where people mindlessly repeated
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:25 AM
May 2016

"Hillary is a liar" when asked about the election. No follow-up question because there's no answer. Gawker had a video of one of their writers with his five-year-old son who, when shown a picture of Hillary Clinton, said, "She tells lies to get power." Mindless.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. They are the product of RW talk radio and RW media.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:28 AM
May 2016

They have been brainwashed with listening to endless non-stop 24x7 lies and attacks. We will never reach those folks. Thankfully they are not a majority.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
17. ...And RW Talk/Media is Bill Clintons doing
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:32 AM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 8, 2016, 09:07 AM - Edit history (1)

The rise of RW media power,
(media consolidation) is a
consequence of ending
the Fairness Doctrine.


The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was—in the Commission's view—honest, equitable, and balanced.


The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.[1]

The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented. The demise of this FCC rule has been considered by some to be a contributing factor for the rising level of party polarization in the United States.[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
21. You are correct...it was finally repealed during the Obama administration
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:39 AM
May 2016
On August 22, 2011, the FCC formally voted to repeal the language that implemented the Fairness Doctrine, along with removal of more than eighty other rules and regulations, from the Federal Register following a White House executive order directing a "government-wide review of regulations already on the books", to eliminate unnecessary regulations.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine#Formal_revocation


 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
29. You linked Bill Clinton to the end of the Fairness Doctrine.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:57 AM
May 2016

Are you now admitting that you are wrong?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
37. You're still blaming Bill Clinton for the end of the Fairness Doctrine.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

The problem is that the whole premise of your post is false. A minor edit doesn't change that.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
38. Bill Clinton pushed for this...
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:17 AM
May 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 was the first significant overhaul of United States telecommunications law in more than sixty years, amending the Communications Act of 1934. The Act, signed by President Bill Clinton, represented a major change in American telecommunication law, since it was the first time that the Internet was included in broadcasting and spectrum allotment.[1] One of the most controversial titles was Title 3 ("Cable Services&quot , which allowed for media cross-ownership.[1] According to the FCC, the goal of the law was to "let anyone enter any communications business—to let any communications business compete in any market against any other".[2] The legislation's primary goal was deregulation of the converging broadcasting and telecommunications markets.[3] However, the law's regulatory policies have been questioned, including the effects of dualistic re-regulation of the communications market [4] [5]



fallout -- 2005 (10 years ago, but the media and teleciommuniucaitons giants are still pushing for more consolidation.)

http://www.commoncause.org/research-reports/National_050905_Fallout_From_The_Telecommunications_Act_2.pdf

Nearly 10 years ago, with little attention from the public, Congress passed the Telecommunications
Act of 1996. It was supposed to produce more competition, more diversity of viewpoints, lower prices
for consumers, and more wealth and jobs for the economy.
Instead, the public got more media concentration, less diversity, and higher prices.
Over 10 years, the legislation was supposed to save consumers $550 billion, including $333 billion in
lower long-distance rates, $32 billion in lower local phone rates, and $78 billion in lower cable bills.1
But cable rates have surged by about 50 percent, and local phone rates went up more than 20 percent.2
Industries supporting the new legislation predicted it would add 1.5 million jobs and boost the economy
by $2 trillion. By 2003, however, telecommunications’ companies’ market value had fallen by about
$2 trillion, and they had shed half a million jobs.
And study after study has documented that profit-driven media conglomerates are investing less in news
and information, and that local news in particular is failing to provide viewers with the information they
need to participate in their democracy.
How the Telecommunications Act of 1996 got passed, and its unexpected consequences, offer vivid lessons
in what happens when public policy is made largely without either informing or consulting the public, and
when big corporations, spending millions on political contributions and lobbying in Washington,3 get to
skew the policy debate and make promises they do not intend to keep. The story of the Telecom Act
also demonstrates what can happen when a federal agency—the Federal Communications Commission—
is permitted to issue rules that flout what Congress intended.
Now, as Congress is about to pass crucial legislation affecting the nation’s telecommunications policy, and
as it prepares to revise the Telecommunications Act of 1996, special interests once again are mounting a
campaign to get their priorities into the law. They retain the advantages that wealth and power always give
in the political process.
Since 1997, just eight of the country’s largest and most powerful media and telecommunications
companies, their corporate parents, and three of their trade groups, have spent more than $400 million
on political contributions and lobbying in Washington, according to a Common Cause analysis of federal
records. Verizon Communications, SBC Communications Inc., AOL Time Warner, General Electric
Co./NBC, News Corp./Fox, Viacom Inc./CBS, Comcast Corp., Walt Disney Co./ABC, and the
National Association of Broadcasters (NAB), the National Cable & Telecommunications Association,
and the United States Telecom Association together gave nearly $45 million in federal political donations
since 1997. These eight companies and three trade associations also spent more than $358 million on
lobbying in Washington, since 1998, when lobbying expenditures were first required to be disclosed.
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
39. The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987. Bush I was in office at that time.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:19 AM
May 2016

The reasons for your hatred of the Clintons aren't supported by the facts.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
40. I am not referring to the Fairness Docturne...but something that has been far worse
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

Read the damn excerpts and links before replying

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
18. But when you go to the VRWC that created the "Hillary is a liar" meme, and ask what time it is
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:33 AM
May 2016

Their answer is "red".

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
30. She is a serial liar, that's not RW, that is plain to see.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

There are countless lies she tells.
Many of them are trivial, but it
illuminates her character.

She says whatever she believes will
cast her in a favorable light,
or gain sympathy.

She even goes as far as to adopt fake accents.

We live in a nation of over 300 million people.
Yet somehow Hillary is the the BEST candidate
to represent Democratic values????


http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
16. Clinton is a liar because Richard Mellon Scaiffe said she was a liar.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

And he had a billion dollars to use to convince people of it.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
23. And the VRWC has been repeating that as proof for ten yrs.
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:45 AM
May 2016

The "Hillary is a liar" meme was created long before any supposed evidence was created.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
31. Yeah, because it's been going on that long
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:00 AM
May 2016

When exactly do you beleive the
"Hillary is a liar" meme was created?

Befor of after the Cattle Futures scandal?
Was it during Travel-Gate?
Or was it White Water?

Seriously, when did the
"Hillary is a liar" meme begin?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
42. Bill Clinton's second term as Governor.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:54 AM
May 2016

And his successful campaign to reform AR's education system - led by Hillary Clinton.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
45. She claimed Ronald and Nancy Reagan were the Original AIDS Activists, claimed the gay
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

community took no action at all until the Reagans started the 'conversation'. Of course in truth Reagan did nothing and did not even say the word 'AIDS' for seven years while tens of thousands of Americans died and tens of thousands more marched in the streets trying to make Reagan take action.

Hillary's History Lessons:
"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."

It's 100% Mendacity, all lies all the time. She has yet to recant this in the televised setting in which she make these horrific and fully false statements in service to Dutch.

I opposed Reagan. I get that her supporters are largely Reagan Democrats but that's not me and they do not get to engage in the revision of history to polish Dutch's image.

 

NewImproved Deal

(534 posts)
44. She never apologized for the Bosnian Lie.
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:05 AM
May 2016

She claims she "misspoke" or "misremembered". Has either Clinton ever apologized to the American people?

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