Is the TPP your idea of democratic compromise

[Csainvestor]

How about the billionaires, they doubled their net worth over the past 8 years. Is that your idea of democratic compromise? 14 billionaires made 150 billion over the past two years, that was in addition to what they already owned, is that your idea of democratic compromise?

[kstewart33]

1. Trump.

Put a snap band on your wrist.

Every time you think of a reason to hate Hillary, snap the band and say "Trump."

Then perhaps, you won't feel so bad.

[puffy socks]

2. What specifically is it that you don't like about the TPP?

and is there anything you do like about it?

[ljm2002]

3. Dayum...

...they let you back in.

Funny how Bernie's supporters who get reviewed usually spend a month or more "on review", while Hillary's supporters, even the ones who are here less than a month with 10 hides, get let right back in.

You should search DU for the many, many detailed posts on the subject of the TPP. Not all of us have the time to go over it and over it endlessly.

The indisputable fact is that the TPP was written BY and FOR the corporations, with little input from legislators in the various countries. Hell, most legislators had a devil of a time even seeing it, and their visits to the room where documents were kept were limited, they could not take notes (well okay, they could take notes, but they could not KEEP any notes they took), they could not bring their aids in with them, and on and on and on.

It allows corporations to sue governments for policies that the corporations think might have cost them potential future profits. It does not, on the other hand, allow governments to sue the corporations for environmental costs, nor for job losses, etc. It requires that the cases be brought before special bodies, Investor State Dispute something-or-other, avoiding a country's own court system and therefore weakening the power of the state. Which is part of the plan. The New World Order of corporate control, we are well on the way. Hope you enjoy it, I certainly won't.

[puffy socks]

5. "Dayum....

.they let you back in." What are you talking about?


"It allows corporations to sue governments for policies that the corporations think might have cost them potential future profits."
So? It doesn't mean they will win.
Plus you simply ignore all the benefits. Why?

[Ken Burch]

6. How often do corporations ever lose when they sue governments?

Does anyone think the tribunals are ever going to be anywhere close to neutral?

[puffy socks]

7. Plenty.

Just a couple of recent examples from the lawsuits filed by corporations against the government every day.

ADF claims violations of the national treatment requirement of Article 1102, the minimum standard of treatment requirement of Article 1105(1), and the prohibition against performance requirements contained in Article 1106. It seeks $90 million in damages.

On January 9, 2003, the tribunal dismissed ADF's claims against the United States in their entirety. The tribunal's award, and other documents in the case, appear below.

http://www.state.gov/s/l/c3754.htm

An international tribunal today unanimously found in favor of the United States in the case of The Loewen Group, Inc. v. United States of America. The Loewen Group, Inc., a Canadian company involved in the death care industry, and its former chairman and CEO, Raymond Loewen, brought arbitration claims in October 1998 against the United States under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), contending the U.S. was liable under the NAFTA for damages that allegedly resulted from a jury verdict against the company in a Mississippi state court. The tribunal rejected Loewen’s claims in their entirety, on both substantive and procedural grounds.
http://www.state.gov/s/l/c3755.htm

Even when they win they lose a lot of times.

"In his 75-page opinion, Judge Wheeler found that the Fed’s action indeed “constituted an illegal exaction under the Fifth Amendment” and that it “did not have the legal right to become the owner of A.I.G.”

But he also ruled “the inescapable conclusion is that A.I.G. would have filed for bankruptcy” without the bailout and “the value of the shareholders’ common stock would have been zero.”

A.I.G. repaid the bailout, which ultimately totaled $185 billion, and the government even earned a return of about $20 billion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/business/dealbook/judge-sides-with-ex-aig-chief-greenberg-against-us-but-awards-no-money.html?_r=0

Here are some pros and cons of the TPP

http://useconomy.about.com/od/Trade-Agreements/fl/What-Is-the-Trans-Pacific-Partnership.htm

https://ustr.gov/tpp/#facts

[Urchin]

10. Want to know what I don't like about it?

I don't like that we, the people, don't get to see it and then we vote to decide if it gets approved or not.

Isn't this our country, too?

[puffy socks]

11. What are you talking about ?

It's online.

Here you go.

Text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership
https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/about-us/who-we-are/treaty-making-process/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp/text-of-the-trans-pacific-partnership

Summary from US Gov
https://ustr.gov/tpp/#facts

Pros and Cons
http://useconomy.about.com/od/Trade-Agreements/fl/What-Is-the-Trans-Pacific-Partnership.htm

[Urchin]

12. Why was it negotated behind closed doors?

[puffy socks]

14. Why do you care?

There are 11 other countries involved
The results are posted online for all to see.
What difference does it make that they negotiated it behind closed doors?

[CorporatistNation]

13. Here's How "THINGS" Work...

[silvershadow]

4. No. nt

[hobbit709]

8. you want my answer in one word or two?

[Skwmom]

9. Well they can't exactly call it selling out the American People.