MSNBC: Hillary to meet with AIDS/HIV Activists; Sanders won't return their calls

[stopbush]

An eye-opening segment on Joy Reid's show today:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/hiv-aids-activists-to-meet-with-clinton-681625155684

[XemaSab]

1. Following in the footsteps of her hero, Nancy Reagan

n/t

[MADem]

2. It would seem that Sanders is taking the Reagan approach to these activists.

I'm guessing you didn't think that through before you wrote that comment.

XemaSab
1. Following in the footsteps of her hero, Nancy Reagan

The one running away from HIV/AIDS isn't Clinton, here.

[Dem2]

14. Ah yes, the wing nut commentary

[leftynyc]

78. Yes - the Bernie campaign

actually do seem to be doing the same as the Reagans - ignoring the problem.

[synergie]

82. By doing the exact opposite of what she did?

I'm sorry, but, is it a reading comprehension issue? Bernie's the one who is doing the Nancy Reagan thing.

[DURHAM D]

3. That was great and not at all surprising.

Some candidates just talk smack and others actually work to improve the lives of others by advancing good policy. The problem with policy is you actually need to be smart, curious, and willing to spend time, a lot of time, to figure out how to move it forward.

[kaleckim]

38. I'm sorry, a CLINTON supporter is going to lecture others

on how to get things done? When she was in office, what exactly did she get done? What she got done at the State Department was pretty much a train wreck, and many of the things that her husband got done with Republicans were right wing and decimated poor and working people.

Also explain, even if there was evidence that the two parties' policies have actually done anything other than make everything worse off in the last few decades (in other words, assume that being "bi-partisan" wasn't an end in and of itself but was a means towards policies that benefited working people and the country), the logic as to why they would work with Clinton of all people. Please, you or one of her followers explain the logic. The Republicans will work with her at all, and they'd work with her more than they would Sanders, because...anyone? Be honest, if they did, it'd be because she did what her husband largely did, sell the store to corporate interests and the rich. I'd also like to know how voting for her makes sense if someone is a "centrist" (center of what exactly?). If they want policies that are in the center of popular opinion (which is well to the left of government policy on a wide range of issues), and if every negotiation results in a compromise somewhere in the middle of the two negotiating parties, where would the middle position between the "centrist" Clinton and the far right wing Republicans? Even assuming they are equally as powerful and equally good at negotiating, you have center-right policies, which are deeply, increasingly, unpopular and would make a bad situation worse.

What a weak candidate she is, horrible. If she runs against someone other than Trump, the most unpopular major candidate in polling history, not trusted, center-right record on economic interests, hawkish, and polls much worse versus Trump and the other Republicans than Sanders (and has for months now).

[stopbush]

42. Didn't watch the segment, did you?

Be honest.

That's a whole lot of words you wrote for someone who can't be bothered to actually watch what they're commenting on.

[Armstead]

49. "They set up a meeting, but then they postpioned and rescheduled. We're really upset."

Gosh there were scheduling issues -- and they were dealing with the final days of a primary.

That's not exactly blowing them off. More spin from the machine.

[kaleckim]

67. Of course I did

although I didn't have to in order to respond to the comment I responded to, which was a broad comment I am sick of hearing. Now, what in my post says I didn't watch the segment and, even if I didn't (which I did), what would that change as far as what I was responding to?

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. What? An apology/campaign tour?

Multi-tasking, a wonderful thing.

[DURHAM D]

6. Did you see the show? nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Which - the one in Simi Valley?

Yeah, that was quite a performance.

[stopbush]

15. Obviously, they didn't bother watching the segment.

Sandersville is officially a reality free zone.

[Fawke Em]

21. We're the real ones here.

We don't watch corporate controlled media anymore.

[stopbush]

25. Whistling past the Sanders nomination graveyard.

He's done, because the smart people figured out that all his talk is bs.

[Baobab]

45. Hillary stands up for drug companies!

She will stop generic AIDS drugs of patent expired retrovirals from damaging profits by making hostile takeovers of the companies that manufacture them easy with TPP.

[stopbush]

47. You need to take a chill pill.

Seriously.

[Baobab]

54. Too expensive, thanks to PHRMA's friends in Washington.

Lots of people die because they cant afford essential medications.


Meanwhile Hillary claims to be broke and then spends $3Million on her daughters wedding. 3 times more than billionaire Donald and Meliana Trump spent on theirs.

WTF?

[stopbush]

61. I take Humira every month. It's one of those expensive name-brand drugs

that Sanders says costs over $3049 a month in the USA, while it only costs $1100 in the UK.

Which is funny because it costs me $5 a month under my employer-provided insurance with a free supplemental plan from the company that makes humira. Right here in the good ol USA.

[Baobab]

62. You love your insurance company, don't you?

Hillary does too, she goes to great lengths now to explain how much she cared in 1994.

[stopbush]

65. I'm with UHC, the largest insurer in the contry.

Who are you with?

And what are you angry about? That fact that I get the medication for practically nothing, or the fact that most people on humira in the USA don't pay anywhere close to the price St Bernard has been barking about as an apparently poor example of the cost of prescription drugs in the USA v elsewhere?

[Baobab]

66. Good for you, but you should realize that health insurance is a racket

and so is the pharmaceutical industry.

Hillary's health care plan was actually a cover up.

Of what? Ask your insurance company, or read my .sig.

[Baobab]

69. Also, if you live in an endemic area, watch out for fungal infections.

Stay away from composting operations too.

https://www.medicine.wisc.edu/sites/default/files/endemic_fungal_tumour_necrosis_smith.pdf

[Baobab]

70. the UK government bargained down the price and it pays virtually all of it for Britons.

An NHS accountant told me that Cameron had deliberately screwed up their ability to use the lower bargained prices. Like here, UK legislators are literally in bed with the pharmaceutical industry.

[stopbush]

71. And the private insurance companies in the USA negotiate lower

prices with the drug companies, as does the VHA.

[Baobab]

72. Its my understanding that US trade ideology is against drug price controls both here and elsewhere

Isn't eliminating them (and also eliminating or delaying generics, which are off patent !) one of the main goals of TPP?

Its been that way from the start. The US has been trying to make drugs more expensive with no compassion or common sense. We are trying to force other countries to dump public healh systems and privatize health care because public health care systems drive a hard bargain for drugs. They get much loser prices, paying world average prices and the drug companies hate to have to bargain with countries like France that get their populage the latest drugs for a quarter or less of what US purchasers pay.

For the biggest example of our madness - why else [link: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.405.5725|would we do this?]

[stopbush]

74. Why would US insurance companies want drug prices to be high?

It cuts into their profit margins. It's in their interest to negotiate them as low as possible. If a drug is too expensive, they won't cover it in their formularies. If enough companies won't cover a drug, the pharma company won't make any $.

Right now, private insurers in the USA get even lower prices than the VHA on drugs. The only program suffering is Medicare/caid, which on average pays about 80% of a drug's list price. That would be lower if the feds were allowed to negotiate prices.

Americans are under the impression that no one is allowed to negotiate drug prices in this country, when in fact the only current restriction is on the government not being able to negotiate for Medicare-caid.

[Baobab]

75. Its US official policy to fight public health care systems around the world claiming

they violate trade agreements that we force countries to sign by means of arguably quite indefensible means.

We're also fighting public education, and by extension, science.

As to why they do it, I don't know. High costs are not good business. They would sell more drugs if they were more affordable and fewer people would die. The prices of drugs and the amounts that are spent on research are infiniesimally small compared to what they would have us believe.

That is what their own people tell me in private. Nobody is a bigger critic of them than their own people.

[Baobab]

73. Not that long ago I was friends with a great many research scientists - several of whom worked doing

research for drug companies. At that time I also knew the CEO of perhaps the most progressive drug company that existed at that time. And they and she totally filled me in on the horrible scam that is drug pricing today.

I highly recommend Donald Light's web site, Pharmamyths.net , if you want to learn the truth about drug pricing.

They have no shame.

[stopbush]

81. Sure. I've been through that. I've also been on Medicaid

through the Obamacare expansion in CA. That was a lifesaver! And it cost me nothing. But it's a helluva tradeoff to get free insurance only because you're unemployed and wondering how long it will be before you're destitute.

Single payer is the eventual goal. Sadly, Sanders' numbers are woefully inadequate when it comes to paying for his Medicare for all. Laughable, really. That's where he lost me, when he put out Reaganesque pie-in-the-sky ways of paying for it all. When he's challenged on his numbers his response is that he disagrees with the numbers the economists provide. What a joke.

[Bohunk68]

58. You need to take your own advice.

[Bluenorthwest]

5. Hillary needs to be educated, she's been pushing misinformation to a national audience:

Deplorable and inexplicable.

[DURHAM D]

7. Did you see the show? nt

[stopbush]

16. Another Sanders apologist who loves them their reality free zone.

Any Sanders supporter watching that segment should feel nothing but shame towards their all-hat-and-no-cattle candidate. But why watch the segment when you can regurgitate your Sanders-inspired fantasies instead?

[Fawke Em]

22. Why would we watch propaganda?

You'll feel shame when your girl "rapes" (your word, not mine) Social Security by means testing it.

[stopbush]

26. My word?

What is wrong with you?

[itsrobert]

29. Says the person getting all their information from uncut, the Young Turks, and berniesanders.com

lol

[Bluenorthwest]

31. No, don't watch loaded commentary TV and call it news

and I'm not going to click on links to hear her predictable bullshit either. When Hillary said all that, Joy was silent so her situational outrage is as outlandish as Hillary's revisionist history, about which I notice you did not comment at all.

[DURHAM D]

32. It was an interview with Michael Rajner.

Do you have a problem with him?

[Beacool]

28. Oh, please.........

Hillary doesn't need to be educated on this issue. The Clinton Foundation has been at the forefront of providing medication and teaching prevention, particularly in Africa. There are many thousands of people who wouldn't be alive today if it hadn't been for the Foundation.

A couple of articles on this subject.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/23/clinton/

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/health/09iht-09aidsdrugs.html?_r=0


Similar program, but to eradicate malaria.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/malaria/20080904.htm

[CorkySt.Clair]

8. He's a one trick pony

If it doesn't have anything to do with oligarchs, income inequality or Wall Street he's not interested. Bernie would have made a terrible president. Fortunately we've dodged that.

[Human101948]

27. Yes, Hillary has many, many tricks up her sleeve...

She will transform from a Center Right Republican to a Left Wing Democrat and back again before your very eyes!

[CorkySt.Clair]

57. Bernie lost.

[DavidDvorkin]

30. You misspelled "phony".

[mindwalker_i]

10. So now in addition to calling Sanders racist and misogynist

we can add another -ist term. How about hivist?

[CentralCoaster]

11. So entertaining to watch the desperate sychophants peddle the wares of the establishment.

I was going to say war-mongering oligarch but that's too long.

Down with Hillary. There.

[seabeyond]

68. Desperate? Winner. There is not desperation when one won!

[Kall]

12. Maybe Hillary Clinton has some stuff to try to make amends for...

Can't imagine what it could be.

[stopbush]

19. Typical Sanders apologist. Don't address Sanders refusing to return

multiple phone calls from an AIDS/HIV activist group that wishes to RESCHEDULE A MEETING SANDERS CANCELED while dissing Hillary for agreeing to meet with those same activists.

Another example why real Ds can't take empty promises Sanders or his supporters seriously.

[mikehiggins]

39. Do you have any reason to believe this, other than it was on MSNBC?

What group was this that Reid's guest represents? I remember Trump's veterans group that consisted of the man whose name was on the letterhead. I also noted how Joy's friend considered himself lucky that he got medical care due to his "white privilege." Where have we heard that before?

And criticizing HRC's praise of Nancy Reagan is empty political rhetoric?

Sanders basically said he had no idea what she was saying. Is calling out a lie just rhetoric?

I remember the days of the "gay plague" clearly. No one awake and aware in those days could possibly imagine the Reagan's helping the sick and dying. Fortunately for Hillary some seem able to "evolve" past that, just like those coal miners were great-full for her apology.

[stopbush]

41. Michael Rajner is pretty well known in activist circles:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-emanuel-rajner-1250666

Michael Rajner
.
Fort Lauderdale, FloridaPublic Policy
Current:
Broward County Human Rights Board - Broward County Board of County Commissioners
Previous:
Wilton Manors Community Affairs Advisory Board (CAAB), United States People Living with HIV Caucus (USPLHIV), Florida AIDS Drug Assistance Program Advisory Workgroup - Florida Dept. of Health
Education:
Florida Atlantic University

Voice for Equality Award
Equality Florida
November 2011
For your fearless advocacy on behalf of our students, our health, and our families. By always speaking out for full equality, you have made Florida a more just place for us all.

2010 The POZ 100 - For outstanding work in the HIV/AIDS Community
POZ magazine
December 2010
75. Michael Emanuel Rajner
The one-man powerhouse from Fort Lauderdale is a regular on the political scene from local Dade County to Capitol Hill. He calls, and asks, shows up and demands until people hear his words of wisdom. Imagine the impact he could have with more backing.

2011 The POZ 100 - For outstanding work in the HIV/AIDS Community
POZ Magazine
December 2011
80. Michael Emanuel Rajner, BSW
This one-man AIDS advocacy army lives in a tough district in Florida. Recently awarded the Humanitarian of the Year Award from the Broward Young Democrats for his lobbying work with state politicians, Rajner is the reason Congressman Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.) and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) lobby so hard for AIDS. Google him and the phrase “pounding the marble floors of Congress” comes up. Not...more

2008 Stars of the Rainbow – Activist of the Year
Gay & Lesbian Community Center of South Florida (now operating as The Pride Center South Florida
September 2008

2007 Keith D. Cylar United States AIDS Activist Award
Housing Works, Inc.
April 2007
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." -Voltaire

As National Secretary of the Campaign to End AIDS (C2EA), Michael Rajner has played a major role in growing a two-year old coalition dedicated to ending AIDS stigma and discrimination into a thriving national network of activists. C2EA already boasts 12 robust statewide chapters, including one in Louisiana, where the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina threatened that state’s...more

2008 Disability Awareness Awards - Volunteer of the Year
The Broward County Board of County Commissioners, Office of Equal Opportunity & The Broward County Advisory Board for Individuals with Disabilities
October 2008

2006 People of the Year - Activist of the Year
The Independent
2006

Cover of POZ Magazine
POZ Magazine
November 2009
Advocacy 2.0
Michael Emanuel Rajner represents a new breed of AIDS advocate. At this critical time, every voice is vital. Are you ready to speak up?

Democrat of the Year
The Broward Democratic Party
March 2012
In appreciation of your countless hours of dedication to equal rights and human services.

Best Local Activist - Best of Broward 2013
Florida Agenda
May 2013
Michael Rajner knows no fear. He has taken on state and federal policymakers, newspaper editors, business leaders, and corporate America in his successful effort to bring attention to discrimination against the LGBT community. In particular, Michael is an indefatigable advocate for HIV/AIDS awareness. He served as National Secretary of Campaign to End AIDS (C2EA) and volunteered as National Community Organizer for the National Association of...more

2011 Humanitarian of the Year
Broward Young Democrats
August 2011
For providing hope and comfort to those in despair.

It's sad. Anyone who doesn't worship at the feet of Sanders is either thrown under the bus, has their motives impugned or is villified as being a corporate shill or worse.

[CrowCityDem]

13. Bernie also knew nothing about the PA Senate candidate who endorsed him. He's a bit myopic.

[KingFlorez]

17. They shouldn't even be contacting him. He lost.

[stopbush]

23. Disagree. He had agreed to meet with them. He canceled.

They are being courteous and extending the invite. He is being a shit and refusing to even take their calls. It's a wonderful opportunity for these activists to expose the bs that underlies all of BS's cheap talk.

[CoffeeCat]

18. Another pathetic lie that will soon be debunked

This is what the Clinton camp does. They spread gossip, like middle-school "Heathers", that turns out to be bunk.

By the time, the truth is revealed--the lies has been spread around like gasoline. OH, and don't bother trying to post the truth (after the lie has been debunked) you will be called out for "OMG! Why are you bringing that up? We've moved on! LOL!". And the Clinton schemers will be well on their way to spreading new gossip.

Seriously, does failing to return phone calls from AIDS/HIV activists, sound like something Bernie would do? I don't think so.

Are we sick of the Clinton camp and the Brock brats spreading lies and gossip yet?

From David Brock's proclamation, even before the Iowa caucuses, that, "Black lives don't matter to Bernie Sanders"--to the outrageous lies about Bernie's Pope visit--they never stop. How about "Bernie is sexist!" That was one of my favorites.

Yes. We get it. You don't like us. You don't want our votes. You can stop with the sorority games. We got the memo!

[polly7]

84. LMAO. Yes! It's been amazing to watch.

Sort of took me back to junior high and the mean-girl strategy.

You knew the second the Brock meme was released just by reading here - they were/are good little soldiers - no matter how distasteful the meme of the day was. It didn't seem to matter ........ some even seemed/seem very excited and proud of themselves for being able to spread the daily manure ... the smellier the better, even.

Quite a change here, that's for sure.

[Fawke Em]

20. LMAO. Like I'd believe a word coming out of Joy Reid's mouth.

She's had it on Hillary's rear this entire election.

MSNBC=More corporate crap.

[stopbush]

24. Did you watch the segment? Apparently not.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. MSNBC claimed 'that's not Bernie in those photos, it's Bruce Rappaport' based on pure

gossip and they were incredibly wrong and they have no credibility at all. They are simply ludicrous over there. Outlandish TeeVee Talkers.

[stopbush]

35. Translation: no, I didn't watch the segment

But since I'm a Sanders supporter, I'll comment on it anyway.

[silvershadow]

34. Exactly. What did she do? Find one person who didn't get a call back? smh nt

[oasis]

40. YOU "researched it" and say it's a "hit job".

Well then, guess that's that.

[Armstead]

63. It's a hit job

The Sanders campaign accepted the invite, but postponed for logistical reasons. It was right before an important primary.

This guy goes on the air and whines about it. (and if he is a Clinton supporter it's worse)

I am sure if he had continued to go through channels Sanders would meet with them.....He really does care about AIDS, ya know. It's not like intentionally blowing the issue of AIDS off.

It is similar to the time in the NY primary when a city council member suggested both candidates tour public housing. Clinton happened to show up first. Suddenly "See? Bernie doesn't care about Black people in public housing!" cry the phony outrage patrol.

Lo and behold.... Bernie also accepts the invitation a couple of days later, when schedule permitted.

And bigger Lo and behold, the councillor who issued the invitation wound up endorsing Sanders. Said Sanders "gets it" more than Clinton.

[Bohunk68]

59. Checks in the mail from David Brock

for the one note ponies. Every other reply is the same words over and over trying to prove by repetition things taken out of context. Gets boring.

[MariaThinks]

37. kick

[JaneyVee]

43. Bernie got nothing.

[kstewart33]

48. Bernie is really, really getting grouchy.

It must have been Guam. I just know it in my bones it was Guam.

Or maybe New York....or Pennsylvania...or Maryland...or Texas?

Could have been South Carolina...or Georgia...or Alabama....?

[stopbush]

50. Since Tim Robbins singled out Guam

I think it was Guam.

[hrmjustin]

51. i am surprised he hasn't returned the call.

Likely staff not paying attention.

[stopbush]

56. Multiple calls.

And, they wouldn't return Joy's call when she reached out to Team Sanders preinterview to give them a chance to comment.

[azurnoir]

52. I don't seem to remember Bernie extolling Nancy Reagan's work for AIDs/HIV patients

maybe memory fails or something but I'll wager they want a word or two with Hillary

[Demsrule86]

53. Bernie seems to have interest only in a few things.

Not the things I view as most important either...a woman's right to choose is not a distraction by the way Bernie.

[Onlooker]

55. Well, no surprise the Clintons have done a lot for gays, unlike Bernie

Bernie is a gay rights fraud. He never risked political capital on gay rights. He voted against DOMA, but said nothing about it. He supported gay marriage before Hillary, but not until the Vermont legislature legalized it. Not only that, he was from a really liberal state where he could have been much bolder. Bernie is not and has never been part of the gay rights struggle, other than a liberal from a liberal state where he could vote the right way.

Meanwhile, the Clintons faced down the religious and far right, and barred discrimination against people with AIDS or who were gay by federal contractors, granted persecuted gays asylum, fought to prevent Congress from outlawing gay adoption, appointed scores of gays to government positions, Bill talked about gay rights in a State of the Union address, Hillary was the first First Lady to go on a gay pride parade. They got into a lot of trouble, and Bill's efforts to allow gays in the military met a huge backlash that forced him to accept DADT. DOMA, meanwhile, was voted on 6 weeks before the national elections, so the only people who voted against it were liberals from safe districts, like Bernie.

Bernie is all about economic justice. There's a reason that leading organizations and individuals active in gay rights, women's rights, and civil rights have not endorsed him. He's NEVER risked political capital to fight for gay, womens, or civil rights. Given the state he was from, he should have been on the leading edge, but he was not.

[BluegrassDem]

64. Bernie is really showing his ass lately

What an old grouchy man. A sad way to end his political career.

[merrily]

76. What a crappy OP. She didn't support equal marriage until after the SCOTUS declared DOMA unconsti-

tutional and she made that heinous comment about the Reagans and AIDs. Sanders has been supporting gays all along and, as for DOMA, see my sig line. Moreover, "hasn't" and "won't" are not synonyms. So unless someone has a crystal ball, the headline is bs.

More crappy, bs. Some DUers seem so desperate for more and more crappy, bs OPs.

[hopemountain]

80. nope. don't watch joy reid anymore

- and only read the banners with the sound off for everything else.

joy really, really is spilling over her in her shilling for hillary.

y'all make it sound like the clinton campaign is getting low on their pile of crap they want to sling at the sanders campaign.

to think they imply bernie sanders doesn't care nor have time for hiv/aids issues and activists is a joke - and slander, to be honest. but, honesty is not a problem for the clinton campaign. right?

[stopbush]

83. Simple question: why won't Sanders take their calls and reschedule

the meeting he cancelled?

Too busy getting those old tax returns released? Too busy sending refund checks to all those people who sent him illegal contributions?

Why?

[hopemountain]

86. why won't hillary release her transcripts?

why doesn't hillary hold rallies for her "millions" of supporters? too busy attending funding dinners with corporate and big money donors?

why doesn't hillary come clean about why she had to have her own server? too busy dodging the investigations?

why is hillary requiring the state democratic committees return the victory funds she disperses one day - to be returned to her personal campaign coffers?

[stopbush]

87. Buh bye

[DefenseLawyer]

85. Bernie Sanders loves AIDS n/t