The saddest thing about her supporters is they acknowledge the fact she lies,

[onecaliberal]

They just don't care. They can't be bothered to care about the human suffering in this country or the fact that we're killing the ability for humans to even exist on this Planet because of greed. It's the height of disgusting.

[NewImproved Deal]

1. It's a Personality Cult.

The Former First Lady is America's Imelda Marcos...

[CentralCoaster]

17. "She's so dreamy", "Rise, Hillary Rise", "It's Her Turn", "I'm with Her".....

Empty platitudes, links back to her campaign websites, but total willful ignorance of the tragic losses caused by her and her kind.

[kstewart33]

88. Hey, you're talking about our first Madame President.

Show a little respect, will ya?

[Rockyj]

103. Its called BRAIN WASHED!

[synergie]

107. From people who think a bird was a message from god, and who apparently

don't have a clue what Bernie and his kind have been actually voting for in their time in office. Wars, sanctions, guns for all, and lighter sentences for child molesters, child murderers and torturers.

He and his kind, who don't do their homework and accept empty platitudes instead of actual plans about HOW he plans to get anything done, that's the more "anointed" way of doing things right, because of how dreamy Bernie is, and how Birds love him, and everyone but actual voters "feel the bern"?

[bluegopher]

24. Yeah right

Have you seen the shoes Hillary wears?

[Buns_of_Fire]

61. It could be worse...

If the voting age were lowered to 14, we'd all be arguing about Dove Cameron vs. Zac Efron .

[charlespercydemocrat]

2. its a shame

We couldn't of gotten a better democratic nominee then what's available.

[onecaliberal]

4. We have the best candidate we've ever had in my life:

[pangaia]

55. And in mine.

[Baobab]

89. But the problem with Bernie is, he's TOO GOOD.

He might actually do something.


better to stick with a candidate who spends money as if it was nothing.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/chelsea-clinton-3-million-wedding-budget-article-1.200176

[Ned_Devine]

101. The Corporate Power Structure will never allow for a true leftist...

...and not just here in the US. We have a history of overthrowing leftist governments all over the world. Why should a US leftist candidate be any different?

[pdsimdars]

112. Yes, the best candidate came along and our country wasn't deserving enough or ready for him.

[LWolf]

135. Yep. nt

[libdem4life]

6. They ALL took a pass. Amazing...no competition...coronation...her turn.

Somehow they all conceded. Wonder why? You can bet there are 25 years worth of dossiers, along with millions and millions of dollars "somehow" showing up during those years. That's a one-two punch.

[cui bono]

34. We do. But the Third Wayers don't care about that. It's a rigged system

and too many people don't pay enough attention. How many intelligent people do you know that say "I hate politics" and just don't pay attention? Most of the people I know are like that. Sad but true. They don't know about the DLC/Third Way, they don't pay attention enough to know that the Dem leadership is Reagan at this point in terms of policy and issue stances.

.

[immoderate]

72. It's Reagan with a charitable collection auxiliary!

This is classic. They will be on course to cleaning out the casino. Family Charitable Foundation, indeed.

--imm

[asuhornets]

116. "We"? Yea, right...n/t

[libdem4life]

3. Winning !!!! Now, what was the question?

[grasswire]

5. identical to the Bushies

I monitored them over on freerepublic for his first term.

Nobody cared what he said or did. They projected their dreams and wishes on him and he became, in their eyes, blameless and without guile. A victim of haters.

[elleng]

10. Seems like it.

[CoffeeCat]

78. I find this incredibly embarrassing for our party

I first came to DU in 2004, traumatized by the Bush years. I felt that I had found an oasis. People who understood--intellectually, philosophically and emotionally--that corporate corruption, warmongering and inaction in climate change--were policies for Republican idiots.

I remember all of us understanding what PNAC was and decrying the Iraq War. Democrats were the smart ones who knew the Iraq War was a farce.

I always, always believed that Democrats had the higher moral ground. Being for peace and against the sociopathic neocons. Bring for single-payer, which is the humane choice. Being against powerful corporations that were purchasing our democracy. I always believed that eventually, we would win. Because we were good and decent. Because evil and lies surely can't be a sustainable political model.

Never--in my wildest dreams, did I invision that our Democratic party would someday be justifying the neocon/PNAC plan, unnecessary Middle East war, the Fascist/corporate takeover of our government and the rise of a candidate who embodies this crud.

It's surreal. It's also very sad.

I am embarrassed for the Democratic party.

[BillZBubb]

85. Agreed, CC, the fall has been unbelievable.

[hrmjustin]

7. Thanks for letting us know we are horrible people.

Thanks for letting us know we don't care.

[silvershadow]

11. Someone had to. nt

[Henhouse]

12. I guess they don't want our votes if Bernie wins...;-{ nt

[hrmjustin]

15. Bernie won't be getting my vote. For him to win the vote of the people would be overturned and I

Won't go along with that.

[cui bono]

20. The "vote of the people" has already been suppressed. You're okay with that though?

[hrmjustin]

29. Supporters on both sides have been suppressed and you are aware I am not OK with that.

[cui bono]

37. No, I am not aware of that. Not at all.

I know your ethics based on our interactions on DU and they aren't very good imo.

.

[hrmjustin]

41. Ye without sin.

And for your info I went down to the board of elections here in NYC to register my complaint about the Brooklyn purge.

I saw it first hand with my brother, friends, and voters on election day.


As for my ethivs no doubt I can do netter but so could yours. No offense meant.

[stevenleser]

126. You can see the arrogance in the response to you. Its a waste of time to dialogue with some of these

folks.

[hrmjustin]

133. I expect it from certain posters. Some don't know how to let things go.

[CorkySt.Clair]

30. ...

[ebayfool]

75. Give it a second here ...

Had to do it. Just had to!

[RufusTFirefly]

27. It's not about alienating you. It's about telling the truth.

Sorry if you're offended by that.

[TCJ70]

13. How do you feel about Hillary's loose relationship with consistency and truth?

Don't say she doesn't have one, it's well documented.

[hrmjustin]

18. Same i feel about Bernie's.

Cheers!

[TCJ70]

25. Can you point me to his various flip flops over the years?

I'm looking for more than 2-3 here. I could type out about 15+ for Hillary.

[hrmjustin]

36. Flip flops are not lies.

[TCJ70]

44. That's true...

...but doesn't answer the question. You said you felt the same about Bernies loose relationship with consistency and the truth as you do about Hillary's. I figured you had evidence for Bernie...my mistake.

[hrmjustin]

46. His gun flip flops mainly.

[TCJ70]

47. Ok...so one.

Anything else? I'll see your gun flip flop and raise you a TPP.

[hrmjustin]

50. Yes she flipped on it and I am glad she did.

[TCJ70]

52. Do you have any concerns that she might just as easily...

...flip flop back?

[hrmjustin]

54. As always a politician can flip flop and flop back.

This is the nature of politics.

[TCJ70]

57. I wish I could be as comfortable with her lack of solid stances...

...as you seem to be. Thank you for answering my questions.

[Kip Humphrey]

48. They just destroy Hillary's trustworthiness since no one (including yourself) can know what

Hillary's positions on most of her policies will be next month or next year. To you, this is honky-dorrey; to me it is not.

[hrmjustin]

49. Thank you for telling me what I know and feel.

[cui bono]

23. You and your ilk do that in the Hillary group to Bernie supporters on an hourly basis.

[hrmjustin]

32. That's right cui bono let it all out.

[cui bono]

40. At least you're not denying it.

But then it would be difficult to do that when all can see what is posted in there.

.

[hrmjustin]

42. I do not hide the fact I don't like him.

[cui bono]

109. That's not what we're talking about.

[bluegopher]

39. I know, right?

This from a bunch of stay_homers that talk about suffering, yet think "President Trump" is OK.

[hrmjustin]

43. Thank God they are nothing like real life Sanders supporters I have met.

[bluegopher]

68. No doubt,

or Bernie himself.

[KPN]

69. Lol.

How hypocritical given the stuff you've been spewing recently.

[hrmjustin]

74. Do tell. I mean that.

Pount out my hypocrisy and I will copt to it.

[Herman4747]

119. Acknowledging your shortcomings is merely the 1st step...

...you now must ask yourself: "What can I to remain steadfast in supporting sincere & honest candidates?"

[hrmjustin]

120. Voting for Hillary.

Cheers.

[Doctor_J]

8. Or that she's conservative

They're OK with the death penalty and the Honduras coup and the $7.25 minimum wage, and say that the eternal war in the ME is "keeping us safe". they adore NAFTA and TPP. They are even now on board with a constitutional amendment to restrict reproductive rights, because Hillary is.

I have to wonder when and how they came to call themselves Dems in the first place

[yallerdawg]

9. This is an extremely offensive OP.

It adds nothing of value to any discussion whatsoever.

Just insulting name calling and personal attack on supporters.

[silvershadow]

14. Well to tell you the truth, I find her candidacy offensive, for reasons I have

stated over and over, to a crowd that apparently has their "la la la, I can't hear you" fingers in their ears.

[cui bono]

19. Can you please show me where you have said that about OPs against Bernie supporters?

Thanks!

.

[LWolf]

102. But, of course, this one isn't:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511924639

[cui bono]

16. Might be sadder that they toss aside Democratic values and principles in order to defend her.

Or maybe it's sadder that they exploit serious issues like racism and sexism in order to support her and smear her opponent.

Hard to say which of the tactics they use is the saddest.

.

[rhett o rick]

28. To them winning is everything. They've even admitted it. I am sure you've heard, "You

have to win to be able to change anything." Yes, but is it worth selling your soul?

[SwampG8r]

100. What profiteth a man who gains the world

But loses.his soul?

[CorkySt.Clair]

21. You guys aren't taking this well are you?

[Henhouse]

31. LOL....n/t

[COLGATE4]

64. Not so much. I sense they've now (finally) passed from

Denial to Anger.

[JoePhilly]

110. Another self-proclaimed high priest of liberalism condemning the sinners.

Tantrums by Bernie supporters will continue until his campaign ends next month.

[AzDar]

22. Also Killing : Democracy.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. People vote for Hillary because of coattails

If Bill hadn't been president she would have gone nowhere.

[NewImproved Deal]

45. Exactly.

Look at the other two Former First Ladies to become president of their nations: Imelda Marcos, on the coattails of Ferdinand (Philipines); and Isabel Peron, on the coattails of Juan (Argentina)...

Hillary lacks their charisma so she makes up for it with bundles of corporate loot, a sycophantic Neo-Liberal media and a very Slick machine...

[COLGATE4]

65. Let's not forget the unforgettable Cristina Kirchner.

[Kall]

33. The response to her going privately to Jeb Bush's big donors is instructive.

"Don't bring attention to what she's doing, it damages her."

I'm pretty sure they weren't stressing her committment to raising the minimum wage in those private calls. A reassurance that she would make sure single-payer health care would "never, ever happen," though...

[senz]

71. ^^ This ^^

If revelations of Hill's behavior damage her, then she should change her behavior.

[LWolf]

92. How the hell

are they going to keep her behind the screen throughout the entire GE, should she be nominated?

[madamesilverspurs]

35. Another one.

[puffy socks]

38. Take a look in the mirror folks.

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oh whoops! I forgot Sanders supporters won't even admit he lies.

[griffi94]

51. I love that she's still thwarting Republicans

Republicans have been after her for years and years
with baseless smears and attacks.

And she just keeps on beating them.

And now with the BoB demographic she's making their
heads explode as well.

For me it's just more yummy goodness watching her
continue to succed in the face of blind, unhinged, impotent rage.

No wonder the majority of Democrats prefer her.
She never quits and just keeps on winning.

She's going to be an excellent president and the perfect
continuation of President Obamas progress.

[itsrobert]

53. And you don't think Bernie lies?

Can you tell us with a straight face that any of his plans have a chance to pass the republican congress?

[k8conant]

59. The congress won't be Republican if Bernie wins the presidency...

I don't know what'll happen if Hillary were to win.

[COLGATE4]

66. Failed predictions X 2. Bernie will not be the nominee

so he won't win the presidency. And, even if the impossible somehow came to pass, there's no certainty of any kind that the 'Congress' (you're really talking about the House) would magically flip and become Democratic majority.

[k8conant]

76. No I was talking about the Congress, which includes both the Senate and the House.

IAC, predictions do not fail until they fail, which hasn't happened yet.

[COLGATE4]

113. If you believe that we have any chance of re-taking the House

I've got some great beachfront/swampland here in Florida to sell you.

[k8conant]

115. We certainly don't have any chance if Hillary is the presidential candidate nt

[COLGATE4]

123. Why would that matter? Is it that, if Bernie is the candidate

a little bird will fly down from heaven and make all the nasty gerrymandered Republicans in the House go away?

[k8conant]

138. Of course!

[eridani]

111. Republicans just love Hillary though. What she will "get done" with a Repuke congress--

--is to fuck over the 99%

[thelordofhell]

56. Pot......Meet Kettle

Must suck being so self righteous in thinking your candidate never lies either.........Hypocrite.

[onecaliberal]

60. He doesn't lie. Can't imagine how it feels to betray everything you supposedly believed.

I guess when you stand for nothing you fall for everything. SAD!

[COLGATE4]

67. Wow. That's a neat saying. If you stand for nothing you

fall for everything. Did you think that up all by yourself?

[thelordofhell]

90. Hypocrite......

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-checkers-confirm-hillary-clinton-is-more-honest-than-any-of-her-2016-opponents/24196/

[dana_b]

97. daily news bin is NOT a news source

Bill Palmer writes it all and all he does is prop up Hillary and smear Bernie. I guess any of us can get our own go daddy website, write whatever we want about someone and call it "news" now.

[bjo59]

58. Yes, a really profound amorality has spread wide and deep in this country.

Admiration for "winners" no matter what they do to win, from reality game shows to banks and corporations. Lying is only a problem if it's a "loser" who is lying. Cheating is only (possibly) a problem if it's cheating in the name of anything besides making a profit. Killing is only a problem when it happens in one's own home or neighborhood. We've been characterized as a deeply narcissistic society for a long, long time and it only gets worse with every passing year, encouraged by the corporate media through entertainment, news, and advertising.

[Waiting For Everyman]

70. ^This^

The more we devolve, the easier we are to control. The amorality is not a bug, it's a feature. But people are so far gone, they don't even fight it anymore.

It's like watching a pack of lemmings run off a cliff in slow motion.

[senz]

73. Yes, supporters of the front runners are quite similar.

Symptoms of a sick society.

[Juicy_Bellows]

80. I agree. Well said. Nt.

[lumberjack_jeff]

94. This. n/t

[amborin]

105. +1000

[Buzz Clik]

62. No.

[MFM008]

63. what crap

Trump and republicans say she lies and the residents of sore loserville eat it up.

[RoccoR5955]

91. There is plenty of proof to her lies.

Come on already!

[dana_b]

98. LALALALALALALALA!!

"I can't hear you!!"

It's easier for them to put their fingers in their ears.

[bvar22]

117. "sore loserville"

Hmmm. Reminds me of something...
Oh Yeah.
"Sore Loserman".
Now WHO was it screaming that taunt in 2000?
Same mentality.

[Mike Nelson]

77. Cheer up...

...the supporters you mention must be in the minority - not many of them have stated they don't care about Hillary's lies, greed and her responsibility for human suffering. It's not something I regularly see Hillary supporters acknowledge.

[MariaThinks]

79. hate much?

[dana_b]

99. hate the truth much?

[Thinkingabout]

81. Despite what is posted, hillary is the most qualified candidate running, she knows her agenda and

Knows how to explain her agenda, giving the RW talking points are posted often, does not make them correct. BTW, Sanders does a good job of telling non truths.

[Herman4747]

121. After viewing this, please explain to us what precisely...

her agenda actually is:

[LWolf]

83. 'nuff said. nt

[Joob]

84. I'm not voting for Hillary because of Hillary supporters

Just kidding, I have actual reasons unlike them, such as Fracking, No fly Zone in Syria, she hasn't released the transcripts, she continues to get big money donations and has even begged to republicans for it, she's a war profiteer. Used the State depeartment as a tool FOR the Clinton foundation, where if foreign Embassy donated to Foundation, she gave them weapons through the state department, I don't trust her, she's pushed for horrible trade agreements most of her career. Her foreign experience is disastrous. Honduras, Libya, vote for Iraq war. She doesn't compromise with Republicans, she compromises with Democrats.

[Uncle Joe]

86. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, onecaliberal.

[onecaliberal]

96. :

[kstewart33]

87. That is amazing!

You personally know the views of millions of Hillary supporters and you've determined that they ALL acknowledge that she lies.

I'm a Hillary supporter and I've never thought she's lied, at least no more than Bernie.

But I'd love to buy that crystal ball of yours.

[lumberjack_jeff]

93. They know she lies, they don't care; she isn't expected to deliver anything she promises. n/t

[B Calm]

95. They are also not curious about what she said to the Wall Street Banksters

who stolen our hard earned money and brought the US economy to its knees.

[Barack_America]

104. Makes you want to stick around DU if she wins, eh?

4 years of glorifying "Dear Leader", regime change, fracking, free trade and Wall Street.

Neither "Democratic", nor "Underground".

[anotherproletariat]

106. Good idea to group all individuals in a cause as being exactly the same...always works

in pretty much every situation. I bet you're fun at parties.

[B Calm]

108. Do you know what she said to the Wall Street Banksters who had stolen our money and then

brought the US economy to it's knees begging us tax payers to bail them out?

[anotherproletariat]

114. First of all, she spoke to them after the economic crash. Secondly, businesses of all kinds

have speakers regularly. It's what they do during conventions and other 'team building' activities. No politician/ex-politician is going to promise anything in a large, open meeting. If anyone wants to be covert about quid pro quo, they do that behind closed doors with CEO's and CFO's. It's a matter of using common sense to look at situations, and not letting your hate for a certain candidate color your views.

[Herman4747]

122. She CHOOSES TO *HIDE* WHAT SHE SAID TO GOLDMAN SACHS:

And you astonishingly approve of this crap.

[anotherproletariat]

124. No, she chooses to hold onto it until it can provide more leverage. Beating Sanders is child's play,

she has to keep things that could be used in the general election for much more political gain. Why waste it now, against an opponent that she is beating?

[Herman4747]

125. Specious argument. Leverage???

Come on.

[anotherproletariat]

127. Why would any politician release something now, when they are winning, that doesn't have to

be released? That would be extremely unwise. Save it to use when she wants Trump to release something.

[Herman4747]

131. She shall only do the right thing IF

by so doing, she can get The Donald to do the right thing.

Otherwise, she won't do the right thing.

Do your parents know that this is how your brain operates?

[anotherproletariat]

132. It's not my brain, it is the way a winning politician works. Politics is not for the weak. nt

[Herman4747]

136. Also not for the moral, in your mind

Fortunately, others disagree.

[B Calm]

134. I guess one of the requirements in supporting Hillary is not caring to know

what she said to the Banksters. . .

[Orsino]

118. Another goddamned "supporters" thread. n/t

[yuiyoshida]

128. K&R

Tweeted

[pdsimdars]

129. They know she lies and she lies to them, what does that say about them?

[Zynx]

130. Yup. I'm totally evil and don't give a fig about suffering.

You nailed it.

By the way, fuck off.

[beachbumbob]

137. Lol...and sanders budget and policy fantasies are not lies?...lol