The delusion that Hillary Clinton is unpopular and unelectable.

[StayFrosty]

We often hear this tripe being spewed in various echo-chambers around the internet. But has anyone actually looked at the data?

Not only is Hillary Clinton leading in the popular vote with a lead of over 3,000,000 votes over Senator Sanders and Trump.

Hillary has also won more open primaries than Senator Sanders.

Alabama- Hillary - 77.8%
Arkansas - Hillary - 66.3%
Georgia - Hillary - 71.3%
Illinois - Hillary - 50.5%
Indiana - Bernie - 52.5%
Massachusetts - Hillary - 50.1%
Michigan - Bernie - 49.8%
Minnesota - Bernie - 61.6%
Mississippi - Hillary - 82.6%
Missouri - Hillary - 49.6%
New Hampshire - Bernie - 60.4%
North Carolina- Hillary - 54.6%
Ohio - Hillary - 56.5%
Oklahoma - Bernie - 51.9%
South Carolina - Hillary - 73.5%
Tennessee - Hillary - 66.1%
Texas - Hillary - 65.2%
Vermont - Bernie - 86.1%
Virginia - Hillary - 64.3%
Wisconsin - Bernie - 56.6%

Hillary has won 13 open primaries and Senator Sanders has won 7.

She's clearly electable. But I know the people that hate her will cling on to any false narrative that portrays Clinton as a "Republican"

Hillary Clinton is rated as a "Hard-core Liberal" by OnTheIssues.

You can go over her stances here. http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

Whether you choose to believe the facts that I have presented to you in this thread, is up to you. But anyone saying that Clinton is right-wing is lying. Her voting record in the U.S. Senate was more liberal than 85% of the Senate.

Thank you and I hope everyone is having a wonderful Mothers Day

[apcalc]

1. Thanks! 😀

[philosslayer]

2. There is a silent majority that resolutely backs Secretary Clinton

Thanks for posting.

[Califonz]

8. The "silent majority" backs her?

Where have we heard that one before?

"I am not a crook!"

[baldguy]

39. You mean the bullied & browbeaten majority.

Trump has a lot of allies

[DefenseLawyer]

48. Yes the "silent majority" has been waiting 40 years to vote for Nixon again

And they've final got their chance!

[leeroysphitz]

55. +1

[Baobab]

62. There is a silent majority that knows she's dishonest.

She's got an agenda and its one that's against the public interest.

[Iliyah]

3. Yep. All the unpopular meme was the creation of the RWers

and passed on by the LWers.

[pdsimdars]

12. Is that the catechism? Any attacks are RWers?

You dismiss the voters at your own peril.





month after month, poll after poll. Man, the country is far more RW than I had thought.

[jamese777]

33. No One Is Dismissing the voters

2016 Primaries Popular Vote Totals Thus Far
Hillary Clinton: 12,561,272
Donald Trump: 10,717,357
Bernie Sanders: 9,446,660
Ted Cruz: 7,325,796
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

[pdsimdars]

66. The support and enthusiasm is with Bernie,

I think all those "voting irregularities" account for the votes.

[Lucinda]

4. KNR Thank you!

[quickesst]

5. The OP is a reality...

... that some find hard to accept, but it is a reality that no one can deny and remain credible.

[griffi94]

6. If Hillary were as unpopular as we're led to think.

She wouldn't be pulling the voters she's pulling.

[smiley]

20. elections can, have been, and will continue to be hacked.

[griffi94]

22. Hillary is, has been, and will continue to win lol

Bernie lost because more people voted for Hillary.

I'm a Hillary supporter so I'm glad she's winning.

Hundreds more delegates and millions more votes.

[silvershadow]

41. Not to mention the triangulation of Trump...mainly because I don't think we are allowed

by Debbie to mention it.

[StayFrosty]

7. Another note

Some people are saying that Hillary can't finish off Bernie.

Hillary finished off Bernie on Super Tuesday, when she cleared the table on him.

Ted Cruz had enough dignity to accept reality and end his campaign after it was clear that he couldn't clinch the nomination.

Bernie and his supporters have been at war with reality ever since. It's sad because we need to be unified instead of fighting over petty issues.

[pdsimdars]

14. Hillary can not clinch the nomination before the convention. She can't get the necessary

PLEDGED delegates.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

18. Neither can Bernie.

But she'll have the majority.

[realmirage]

9. It's something Hillary haters say to comfort themselves

[jamese777]

10. Gallup Poll Most Admired Woman

1990: Margaret Thatcher
1991: Barbara Bush
1992: Barbara Bush
1993: Hillary Rodham Clinton
1994: Hillary Rodham Clinton
1995: Mother Teresa
1996: Mother Teresa
1997: Hillary Rodham Clinton
1998: Hillary Rodham Clinton
1999: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2000: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2001: Laura Bush
2002: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2003: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2004: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2005: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2006: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2007: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2008: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2009: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2010: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2011: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2012: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2013: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2014: Hillary Rodham Clinton
2015: Hillary Rodham Clinton

[Henhouse]

11. Wow...I knew she made the list many time...I had no idea it was that many...Love her..nt

[Califonz]

13. Got any data on that poll?

Did she beat Kim Kardashian 10% to 9% ?

[pdsimdars]

15. Snap! Reality Check!

[jamese777]

28. Kim didn't make the list

The person who finished first as Most Admired (man) the most times after Hillary Clinton is General and President Dwight David Eisenhower. Hillary Clinton finished first twenty times and Dwight Eisenhower finished first thirteen times.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx

[leeroysphitz]

46. So what? n/t

[B Calm]

16. Damn I see a lot of red states on your list. You saying Hillary will win those states in November?

[Iliyah]

19. Will BS win Oklahoma and Indiana in November as well?

Quick answer, NO.

[B Calm]

21. So that suppose to mean Hillary will not win any of those States?

[Iliyah]

23. LOL, it means BS won't neither by your assumptions

[B Calm]

26. That's a problem with Hillary supporters, you can't get an answer to a simple question!

[griffi94]

30. Hillary will win the blue states

And the swing states of FL OH PA.

Also Hillary puts NC and possibly GA in play.

She won't win AL LA TX
But Bernie wouldn't carry OK NE UT either.

Hillary will win the GE

Maybe Bernie would win the GE as well.
But that doesn't matter since he's not going to be the nominee
because he can't win the nominatation.

You asked for an answer.
This is the answer.

[SwampG8r]

61. She wont win florida

300000 florida registered dem voters when presented a 3rd way candidate voted for the real republican in 2000
She is pretty well hated here.
Add the fact that trump is a regular here instate and reap the whirlwind

[griffi94]

65. That's been 16 years

And Trump does great with AAs Latinos

No she'll win Florida

[Jitter65]

53. You may be surprised that she might turn a couple of red states purple. nt

[B Calm]

67. Boy you got that right,

I would be surprised.

[Amaril]

17. Okie dokie

Keep telling yourself that it's just delusion on the part of Sanders supporters.

Head : Sand

[StayFrosty]

24. Delusion

Bernie Sanders won't win. Period.

The fact that Sanders and his supporters want the DNC to give in to every single one of his demands speaks volumes about the severity of their delusion. They want to deny the voice of the 12 million people that have voted for Hillary.

They effectively want to steal the nomination from Hillary at this point.

Hillary will be our nominee.

You guys can continue to be "Bernie or bust", but rest assured the Obama coalition, minorities, LGBT, Latinos and Muslims will make damn sure Trump doesn't get anywhere near the White House.

[litlbilly]

40. And you can back this up with what? Youve been a member since? Wow...:)

[StayFrosty]

29. .

They say Hillary is unelectable yet she has won more open primaries than Sanders.
They say she's unpopular yet she leads both Sanders and Trump in the popular vote by a significant margin.

Why is this? Why doesn't the data support the various narratives and talking points that get regurgitated?

You want me to post polls until you find one that you can nit pick and that you can use to support your agenda?

She's untrustworthy? She has been more honest than both Sanders and Trump.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

[StayFrosty]

34. .

By the way the Trump's polling disadvantage against Clinton is the biggest disadvantage since Bob Dole was trailing Bill Clinton in 1996 by 17 points.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/data-download-trump-s-polling-disadvantage-against-clinton-681602115517

Not to mention she'll have Barack and Bill campaigning for her this fall.

God bless and have a nice day.

[oasis]

50. Welcome to DU StayFrosty. Thanks for laying out the cold hard facts.

[thesquanderer]

47. She is popular among the Dem base, which is why she wins primaries...

...but she is unpopular with the general electorate.

That doesn't mean she's unelectable, though. The opposition can always put up someone worse.

As for politifact, that doesn't actually tell you who is more honest. It tells you how many times they have said something false (and there are more false items for Hillary than for Bernie), but the "percentage" figure that people use to claim Hillary is more honest does not account for the fact that the survey what percentage of questionable statements were true. If you say few things that are even questionable, you could be seen as more honest, and it won't show up in those percentages.

One of the things about Hillary being seen as not honest or trustworthy is that Hillary has intentionally created false impressions about Bernie, even if using a germ of truth to do so. I wrote about this at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511461901 and in another context at http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511910017#post74

[Recursion]

42. Do you have any evidence that trustworthiness matters to voters?

Seriously, I see this all the time but nobody's ever connected those dots: is there any evidence whatsoever that voters are unwilling to vote for someone they consider untrustworthy?

[lunamagica]

27. K&R. Thank you!

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. Neither my Wife or can fucking stand her. No delusions here.

[B Calm]

35. Same here. We just got back from visiting my wife's 87 yr old aunt in Missouri and she hates Hillary

[StayFrosty]

36. I know a guy so therefore polls and data is invalidated

[Fawke Em]

37. This chart knows lots of guys

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

[TheKentuckian]

38. She is unpopular but certainly "electable" when facing an opponent even more unpopular.

Not a lock mind you but she can win and would be the favorite as of the moment.

[B Calm]

43. It's a shame it's coming down to this, deciding which one STINKS the less . .

[Recursion]

44. I've felt that way since Iowa

One O'Malley dropped out I didn't have any candidate I actually felt positively about.

[Lizzie Poppet]

57. It's unacceptable.

Cascadian secession...now.

[Vinca]

45. As an opponent, substitute "Skunk" for "Trump."

There's not much of a difference (apologies to the skunk). I would hope any Democrat could beat him in the general election, but since half the country is dumb as stumps I wouldn't rule anything out. Hillary isn't Obama and neither is Bernie. Neither will bring out the same hoard of voters. Face reality. Trump could win the election if Republicans decide party is more important than country.

[cali]

49. Baghdad Brock

Her unfavorable are very, very high. Lucky for her, clown's are worse

[runaway hero]

51. It's not a delusion.

I bet you think those polls with 73 percent of women against trump and a 67 percent overall dislike of trump, are real though?


Hillary is at 56 percent too.


This is why we can't have nice things. She needs to improve her number's because she is getting a freebie against trump here.

[Proud Public Servant]

52. A 53% unfavorable rating is an odd definition

of "popular."

Electable? Sure, against Trump.

But popular (with anyone other than the Dem base, who are less than 1/3 of the electorate)? Not so much.

[DesertRat]

54. k&r!

[Lizzie Poppet]

56. Winning (often close) races in which a minority of voters can vote doesn't prove GE electability.

She does best in closed primaries...and Democrats are only 30% of the electorate. Another 30% or so (the GOP) hates her guts, and the remaining independents (the largest group) consistently prefer Bernie.

As far as the facts about her record go, her stance on a host of issues (war, fracking, private prisons, climate change, election reform, economic justice, cannabis, single-payer healthcare, and so much more) makes it utterly obvious that her "liberal" record can only be argued from the strongly right-skewed perspective of current American politics. That's kind of the point: that spectrum is horribly skewed, and by any rational standard, Hillary is no progressive. Her voting record as a (largely invisible) Senator padding her resume for a presidential run isn't remotely the only valid indicator of her actual political positioning.

Even leaving aside questions about her character, her record an unacceptable candidate for a huge swath of liberal voters....and one of the most hated people in the world for a big chunk of the right. If she finally worms her way into the nomination, she's going to get hammered in November.

[leeroysphitz]

58. When you talk to non democrats, independents etc... does she SEEM well liked? n/t

Do you talk to non democrats, independents etc?

[mikehiggins]

60. Hey, Stay? You're missing the point, IMHO.

This was supposed to be a flat-out blow-out of an election, with the absolute favorite of all the factors of the Establishment lined up from the very beginning to hold a coronation.

Later on the Hillary camp claimed they "always expected" a robust challenge during the primary. This was, on its face, an obvious lie. They expected what they had a right to expect, in conventional political terms, a runaway victory for a universally known woman who had spent many years working towards this very moment and who had come close to snatching the brass ring in 2008. There should have been no contest. No well known Democrat even attempted to run against her. Biden, Warren, nobody. The only candidates were Gov. Chaffee, Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb and the balding Jew from Vermont.

Why has this campaign been so hard for Hillary, the chosen one of the Democratic Party leadership and just about anyone who has a stake in keeping things going the way they are?

Because she is a terrible candidate AND the political atmosphere in the nation has changed.

She has a THREE MILLION voter advantage over Sanders and all the others have just faded away. Virtually all of the SuperDelegates, whose existence is intended to prevent the voters from having their say if they oppose the candidate approved by the Party leadership, supported her from the first, including many, like certain former elected officials, who are now lobbyists for trade groups, Big Oil and Big Pharma. She has well funded groups and well situated individuals working hard to get her into office, not least of all her former campaign head Debby Wasserman Schultz, now the Chair of the DLC.

She has any number of well known supporters and surrogates who are willing to support her (and some even to lie for her--hey, that's how politics is played). Sanders endured a virtual media blackout from the first and what coverage he got was clearly aimed at pushing the Clinton attacks on the old guy. The media even pushed the surrogates claim that Sanders hadn't been involved with Civil Rights, including mislabeling an existing photo of him and then somehow neglecting to "correct the record" when the actual photographer who took the picture pointed out it was just what it appeared to be. The "reporter" who pushed that story is now a paid consultant on MSNBC.

With all of that going for her Clinton should be 13 million votes ahead at this point, and have put this to bed months ago.

If she was a strong candidate.

She didn't and she isn't.

[Trajan]

63. There is a certain Brockiness to this post ....

A certain air of a bought and paid for commentary ....

Time to spit out the hook and yank on the line ....

Click

[Juicy_Bellows]

64. I wholeheartedly disagree - most of those wins are in states she won't carry in the general BUT