2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton just issued a challenge to progressives. They should take her up on it.
On Face the Nation, Hillary Clinton was asked if shes trying to nudge Bernie Sanders out of the race, and offered a reply that, at first hearing, sounded like a standard-issue denial. But buried in her answer was an interesting challenge to progressives one that suggests a way for the Sanders movement to reconstitute and reinvent itself after the primaries are over:
Im three million votes ahead of Senator Sanders, nearly 300 pledged delegates ahead of him. He has to make his own mind up.
But I was very heartened to hear him say last week that he is going to work seven days a week to make sure Donald Trump doesnt become president. And I want to unify the party. I see a great role and opportunity for him and his supporters to be part of that unified party, to move into not just November to win the election against Donald Trump, but to then govern based on the progressive goals that he and I share.
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Like a Ryan of the left, Sanders will have an opportunity to cajole (and if need be, push) Democrats in a more progressive direction, but he can also serve as a bulwark against regressive policymaking, the same way conservatives have time and again stopped Republican leaders from consorting with Democrats on any measure that carries a whiff of liberalism. If and when President Clinton forges illiberal compromises with Republican leaders, Sanders will be one of the only people in Congress with a constituency wide enough to make other Democratic members consider rebelling against the leader of their party.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/09/hillary-clinton-just-issued-a-challenge-to-progressives-they-should-take-her-up-on-it/
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Because when we compromise, even a little, they take a fucking yard.
We must not perpetuate that which we seek to end.
I'm out of patience and I will not go quietly.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Never come to the table, stick to your principles, be firm and unyielding and be the purist that goes down in flames burning down the entire building.
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litlbilly
(2,227 posts)work down from there. Kinda like the public option being taken off the table. Bernie would never do that. He will start very high and his compromises would be exactly what he/we want.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Last edited Tue May 10, 2016, 04:59 PM - Edit history (1)
...or her supporters on DU for that matter.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)just spoke so eloquently about at Howard University last weekend.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Give the Republicans everything they want, and they will pass it while whining that Democrats didn't give in enough.
Ban on abortions? Sure, they will get behind that and whine that birth control isn't banned.
Privatize Social Security? Sure, they will get behind that and whine that Medicare still exists.
Hamstring EPA regulations to the point where they are barely able to crawl? Sure, they will get behind that and whine that chemical companies can't pollute with abandon.
Guess what will happen then? Those three come to pass with the massive repercussions that everyone that can see past the end of their noses can see coming from a mile away, and guess who gets blamed? The President was the one that signed it into law!!!!!
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)The second time the left gave a modicum of effort, then took their ball and went home to let the Republicans have their way.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)be put on, and feet being held to a bonfire.
How did that work out?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)"What progressive goals do the two candidates share?"
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)How about:
"And I want to unify the party. I see a great role and opportunity for him and his supporters to be part of that unified party, to move into not just November to win the election against Donald Trump, but to then govern based on the progressive goals that he and I share. A unified party should oppose Trump in the general election. With the help of Sen Sanders supporters we can govern with the progressive goals that the senator and I share."
Every statement Clinton makes is delivered as if she's being gracious and tolerant to allow you to wear her pin, and sick and tired of presumptuous people who want to know something about policy. As if!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts).
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)by any and all means the progressive wing of the party, count on it, while telling us we owe Hillary our votes because Trump or whatever
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Once you say you're going to settle for second, that's what happens to you in life.
--- John F. Kennedy
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn166598.html
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but the fight will be uphill to put it mildly
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)like Bernie has,will never happen again.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...as chair of the Budget Committee.
If Republicans keep the Senate, then Mitch McConnell will continue to be the most powerful Senator.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I do not accept that premise. She is a horrible candidate whose numbers are dropping day by day. I interpret Bernie's statement about working tirelessly to defeat Trump is first by defeating Hillary (because she will lose to Trump) and then defeat Trump himself.
Hillary will lose to Trump! If you are serious about beating Trump you have to defeat Hillary first, or you will LOSE.
brooklynite
(94,737 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Responded to pressure on the public option? The TPP?
I have no faith she'll respond to any efforts to influence her from anyone without a 6 figure check. She will have no honeymoon from me however... that you can count on.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Drug addled and sanctimonious.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I can speculate.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I'm sure it has something to do with protecting "pro-life feminists" and their preborn children from reefer madness.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Now where have I tasted this unique flavor before?