California Primary: Pix Worth A Million Votes ( or more) Bernie Rally vs. Hillary Rally...

[AzDar]

[onehandle]

1. President Nader's rallies were Yuuuuuuuge! nt

[AzDar]

2. How Many States Did Nader Win? How Many Delegates?

[onehandle]

3. Yeah, he lost too. nt

[AzDar]

7. Point being: Nader wasn't a Dem... it doesn't matter. Bernie has won most of the recent States...

and is poised for a YUUUGE May. Nader comparisons are goofy...

[pinebox]

28. And Perot helped elect Bill

What's your point.

[FourScore]

9. I'd like to see a picture of those Yuuuuuge Nader rallies. Not that it matters...

Nader didn't run as a democrat. He split the ticket and never won a state.

[AgingAmerican]

27. No they weren't huge

[TCJ70]

4. That would be amazing!

Let's hope it happens.

[deathrind]

5. Excellent...

Compare and contrast post. It exquisitely demonstrates the truth.

[litlbilly]

19. And anyone who denies that, is either blind, or dead.

[NCTraveler]

6. I'm guessing the top pic is good for about 520,000.

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The bottom about 480,000.

That's just going off your base of one million votes.

[AzDar]

10. Wasn't a real ESTIMATE, Chief. Play On 'A pic is worth a THOUSAND words'...

Did you hear a "whooshing' sound?

[NCTraveler]

13. There was no whoosh.

Your op is pretty clear. Interestingly, I thought/think my reply was as well.

I won't return the negativity in kind.

[AzDar]

14. ...

[highprincipleswork]

26. Not that it matters, but your numbers can't possibly be representing the pics at hand. I guess

you're just saying that the Bernie folks won't show up or something.

We'll see. Doing all we can to make CA Bernie country!

[NCTraveler]

30. What do you mean my numbers don't add up? Nt

[highprincipleswork]

38. Your numbers don't seem to represent the relative sizes of the crowds accurately.

[NCTraveler]

40. I thought I made distinction for that. Nt

[workinclasszero]

8. YUUUUGE President Rmoney Rally in Yardley PA

Oh wait.....

[AzDar]

11. Exactly. His CHALLENGER was drawing much larger crowds.

[workinclasszero]

12. And Hillary already has 3 MILLION more votes

than Sanders.

That tiny little crowd will change nothing.

[AzDar]

15. Because Caucuses aren't 'counted', right? Many votes have yet to be cast, anyway...

[workinclasszero]

18. See you at the convention

Hillary will win on the first ballot.

[AzDar]

21. I'm sure that's the plan of Rendell, Frank and their ilk... may not work out, though.

[silvershadow]

52. +2. (You get an extra one for using the word "ilk") LOL nt

[Adrahil]

16. Those rallies in New York sealed the deal!!!!

Oh wait.....

[AzDar]

17. Since there was so much suppression/fraud going on, we'll never REALLY know about NY...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/protesters-pan-alleged-ny-primary-fraud-board-elections-hq-article-1.2623513


http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-York-City-Brooklyn-Voting-Problems-GOP-Democratic-Primaries-NY-376258541.html


http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/new-york-primary-voter-purge


The Truth Will Come Out @ Some Point, I'm Sure...

[Adrahil]

20. Horse shit. Always with the excuses.

You folks are as bad as climate deniers.
Those scientists are clearly cooking the books, amiright?

[AzDar]

22. That's some impressively sad deflection, there. Seems like you're in DENIAL, not 'you folks'.

UGH.

[MrMickeysMom]

23. Denials are at least not climate related... Results of your jury...

On Tue May 10, 2016, 05:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Horse shit. Always with the excuses.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1936206

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Pointing out the documented fraud/suppression in NY, should not be met with outrageous slander; conflation with 'climate deniers'; which we all know is tantamount to saying poster is a brain-dead, science-rejecting Republican. Unacceptable.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 10, 2016, 05:27 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There was election fraud. Trying to suppress that is disgusting.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I would say "Forget it Jake, it's Gosh Darn Primaries!" but I think I already used that one.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disagreement trends here turn into aligning those who disagree as ..."climate deniers"? This is over the top and ongoing. FFS, take a breath if you don't like what someone said in response to your first nasty remark.

[AzDar]

24. Gotta say... NEVER thought I'd see this kind of shit on DU. Beyond disappointing...

[beaglelover]

34. There was nothing hideable in his/her post.

[AzDar]

36. I'm speaking to the equation of documented voter/fraud suppression with (inexplicably) climate

change deniers. A really stupid and offensive comparison; especially to many of us here during the Bush years...

[AgingAmerican]

29. You are the one doing the denial here

Self awareness is a good thing

[egalitegirl]

55. No but Hillary's "solution" of Goldman Sachs profiting won't help n/t

[J_J_]

50. seriously....steal the election, then say haha 'we won'

no shame, no morals, just like Republicans

The truth will come out, hopefully soon, like California maybe....

[ContinentalOp]

65. Some relevant thoughts I just posted on another thread...

In NYC there are 3,071,159 registered Democrats. Bernie drew a crowd of around 30,000. That's about 1% of registered Democrats. 60,000 Democrats were purged from voter rolls which is about 2%. Clinton won Brooklyn 60-40, won Manhattan 66-33, and won the Bronx 70-30.

So even if those voters were all wrongly purged and they were all Sanders voters, he still wouldn't have won. Even if the entire crowd at his rally were purged from the voter rolls it would have made no difference.

There is no correlation between rally attendance and votes. And even the most impressive rallies are just a tiny fraction of the overall electorate. The claims of fraud are ridiculous, and using pictures of big rallies as evidence that something fishy happened is even more ridiculous.

[Mutant456]

25. both are wise

Both are respected and sturdy I'd support higher wages

[mythology]

31. You do realize that has been the trend the entire primary campaign and Clinton is still winning

Sanders hasn't yet effectively been able to turn his larger rallies into larger voting.

[Maedhros]

32. Mostly because of caucuses and closed primaries.[n/t]

[hack89]

59. And which candidate has won more open primaries? nt

[beaglelover]

33. Rally crowd sizes have not proven to be much benefit for Bernie. Hillary voters work and don't have

time to attend rallies. But they do show up at the voting booth!

[pdsimdars]

35. This is another of Hillary's CA rallies

.
Now, you tell me where the LIFE is in the Democratic Party.

[Corporate666]

37. Hillary is engaging people where it matters - in local communities and discussing issues that are

important to them, including Q&A's and feedback.

Bernie prefers to be on stage and just give the same old stump speech - pounding his fist and peppering his rhetoric with "bankers!" and "Wall street!" and "free free free!".

One candidate is interested in policies that work, that can be implemented, that will improve life for a vast majority of Americans.

The other is interested in hearing his name chanted and saying whatever is necessary to get the voters good and mad, and then sell himself as the great hammer that will pound all the boogeymen he just created into submission. The fact that absolutely nothing he proposes can or will ever pass, would bankrupt the country and won't work even if it could be implemented is immaterial. It's all about the sizzle... not about the steak.

[SidDithers]

39. Yeah, except that was New Hampshire...nt

Sid

[CentralCoaster]

42. She has not had any turnout greater than her Roosevelt Island debut.

And tightly controls what pictures are released to the public.

[MisterP]

43. that's not a ropeline, that's a way to frame the shot

[polly7]

45. With DWS, the DNC, the MSM, the Brock machine and those big, big money backers behind her from

the start, I'm surprised she even bothers to campaign. I guess that's why she doesn't seem to put much effort into trying to gather the huge crowds Sanders does.

[litlbilly]

46. Im sure she would if she could, but she cant, its that simple.

[asuhornets]

48. The voters are behind her. They have selected her to be the Democratic nominee..It's not hard...n/t

[pdsimdars]

60. Some of those crowds appeared from like 5 hours notice. He doesn't try that hard.

It's his message. People want to hear it with their own ears. They can't believe a politician is actually saying what they have wanted to hear for a long time. AND, more importantly, saying it so you know you can believe it.

[polly7]

69. That's very true.

He's someone they can believe in and obviously, they do. I just hate the way all those millions so full of hope and joy at finally finding someone who really cares about each and every one of them, and means every word he says, are insulted, ignored or laughed at for being '"losers' neener-neener". It makes me ill.

[seabeyond]

41. Clinton: 3 million more votes and almost a thousand more delegates.

[Jitter65]

44. Real votes are worth a thousand pictures. nt

[asuhornets]

47. I see you still haven't figured it out yet..by June you will...n/t

[J_J_]

49. these pictures just keep getting better

THAT was a packed gym.

The thing is, I am told Hillary doesn't want to hold big rallies, she is in 'control' and Bernie is just wasting time and resources.

The excuses keep getting more desperate.

[seekthetruth]

51. Just hope that reflects the amount of votes Bernie will get in CA....

[pdsimdars]

61. I worry about the voting process. . . . something seems fishy

those voting "irregularities" somehow end up that Bernie gets huge crowds, huge donor numbers, huge everything, but when they count the votes, isn't it strange . . . . . .. . .

[CrowCityDem]

53. This obsession is getting close to as absurd as Trump's "size" bragging.

[LonePirate]

54. Hmmm...wasn't something similar said about the rallies in NY?

We all know how that turned out.

[pdsimdars]

62. Yea, with HUGE voting "irregularities", that swung the election

And CA is an OPEN primary. And we know how those go..

[LonePirate]

64. Those irregularities did not swing the election. They were less than the margin of victory.

Bernie still would have lost NY even if every irregularity went his way. Of course CA could easily go the way of other open primaries like TX or VA as well.

[pdsimdars]

67. Better go back and look at NY.

[LonePirate]

68. Already did - there weren't 290K voter irregularities let alone 290K impacting only Sanders

[Starry Messenger]

56. What will the CT be when she wins CA?

[brooklynite]

57. I see...Sanders will have 1000 X the votes that Clinton has?

I didn't know it worked that way; thanks.

[JSup]

58. It must take him...

...a long time to listen to questions from all of those people.

[pdsimdars]

63. They come to listen to him. . . hear those words of his that are like a balm to the weary soul.

[ContinentalOp]

66. That Sacramento rally represents only 6% of registered Democrats in Sacramento.

The size of these rallies is meaningless. The numbers are insignificant. His big rally in NYC represented about 1% of registered Dems in the city, and she won by 20 points. You could have counted the vote of everyone at the NYC rally 10x and he still would have just barely tied her in the state!