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Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:55 PM May 2016

Clinton and the DNC Are Not Just Colluding — They’re Changing the Rules for Superdelegates

The award for most deliberate and egregious burying of a lead has just been handed out.

It goes to NBC News, for a story entitled, “Bernie Sanders Makes Things Awkward for Hillary Clinton’s DNC Takeover.”

Put aside for a moment that the story’s central premise is the uncritical repetition of a nonsense: the idea that a major-party convention can’t — as in literally cannot be — planned without a nominee being declared at least a month and a half in advance. We know that’s untrue because, up until a week ago, that’s exactly what the GOP was (with minimal public grousing by RNC Chair Reince Priebus) planning to do.

More importantly, in the context of Democratic National Committee rules — which, as DNC officials Luis Miranda and Debbie Wasserman Schultz have both explained to the media repeatedly, dictate that super-delegates cannot be tallied until July — there can be no doubt about which sentence in the above-cited NBC News story is the most important. It’s this one, about what the Clinton campaign and the DNC have been up to since April (more than three months prior to the Party’s late-July convention):

Back-channel conversations have already begun between Clinton’s campaign and the DNC about what role the party will play in the general election. These discussions are happening out of sight for now to avoid the appearance of collusion before the party has formally selected a nominee.

Where does this information appear in the article? In the very last sentence, of course.

cont'd
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/10/clinton-and-dnc-are-not-just-colluding-theyre-changing-rules-superdelegates

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Clinton and the DNC Are Not Just Colluding — They’re Changing the Rules for Superdelegates (Original Post) Lodestar May 2016 OP
She is the presumptive nominee... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #1
That's spelled "presumptuous" lagomorph777 May 2016 #3
Their votes would not change the outcome. Hillary is our nominee. NurseJackie May 2016 #11
There is no nominee AgingAmerican May 2016 #12
Sure, tell CA, OR, NJ DC Democrats to go to hell in the primaries, and lagomorph777 May 2016 #13
Their votes would not change the outcome. Hillary is our nominee. NurseJackie May 2016 #14
Would their votes affect the outcome in November? lagomorph777 May 2016 #15
It's my belief that thoughtful and mature voters are not likely to try and correlate the ... NurseJackie May 2016 #19
Not the math: the attitude. lagomorph777 May 2016 #20
There will always be people who lack coping skills. There's nothing I can do about that... NurseJackie May 2016 #21
No one believes that Sanders has a chance of being the nominee Gothmog May 2016 #2
I said it the first time this was posted. The heading is a LIE. No rules have changed. CrowCityDem May 2016 #4
They can't handle the truth. William769 May 2016 #6
No, they can't. But they can whine when they lose, can't they tonyt53 May 2016 #8
Yes they can. William769 May 2016 #9
Yep. Debbie-gate is real. And it is disgusting. nt silvershadow May 2016 #5
It's a FUCKING DISGRACE MrMickeysMom May 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj May 2016 #10
In 08 the supers switched to Obama when it became clear he would have the most delegates Demsrule86 May 2016 #16
The superdelegates will vote for the person who wins the most pledged delegates Tarc May 2016 #17
UNREC brooklynite May 2016 #18

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. That's spelled "presumptuous"
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

But "nominee" is not accurate, unless you are undemocratic enough to tell WV, CA, OR, NJ voters to go to hell.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Sure, tell CA, OR, NJ DC Democrats to go to hell in the primaries, and
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016

in the GE. That's what you want, right?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. Their votes would not change the outcome. Hillary is our nominee.
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:17 AM
May 2016

That's just how the scheduling worked. States with primaries that fall further down the line in the schedule become mathematically less relevant. This is especially true when the outcome of the primary becomes very clear early on in the process. As it turns out ... at this late date ... their votes become absolutely irrelevant with regard to the actual outcome.

Sorry, but it's true. Nothing will change. Hillary will be our party's nominee.

If it brings you comfort, you're more than welcome to attribute that mathematical FACT to a "go to hell" sentiment. But it's clear to me that you're angry with the calculator, not me.

The calculator doesn't care what you think of it... it's just counting numbers. (And come to think of it, it doesn't much matter what you think of me either. I don't care. It's not about what I "want" ... it's just math.)

Cope.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. It's my belief that thoughtful and mature voters are not likely to try and correlate the ...
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:53 AM
May 2016

... significance of their General Election vote with how much impact (or lack thereof) their primary vote had in the nomination process.

Most rational people are able to comprehend the difference, and are accepting of the fact that when the nominee has been established prior to their state's primary, and when any other contender has been mathematically eliminated, then their late-scheduled primary vote won't change the outcome.

The attitude that some are adopting ("my late-primary vote didn't matter, so I'm just not gonna vote in the general&quot is an immature response to the reality of math, the reality of scheduling, the denial that we don't have a National Primary Day ... and it's little more than self-pity and pure distilled vanity.

If those people lack the ability to cope with disappointment and to accept reality... and if they want to sit out the General Election as a way to "punish" others, and as a way to soothe their own hurt feelings, or to make themselves feel better about having the "misfortune" of living in a late-primary state ... well... that's their choice, isn't it?

I won't indulge their egos. If they've made up their minds to not vote, then it's a waste of anyone's time to convince them otherwise. OR... if it's just an empty threat, and they plan to vote anyway, then that's ALSO a waste to spend time trying to "convince" them to do something that they're actually going to do anyway. (It's all so silly.)

They can do what they want and believe as they will. I don't care.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. There will always be people who lack coping skills. There's nothing I can do about that...
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

... so it's a waste of time for me to even bother with those hypersensitive individuals.

As I said, if they've absolutely made up their minds, then it does no good for anyone to try and convince them otherwise.

Or, if they're just making empty threats but are actually planning to vote anyway, then it's ALSO a waste for anyone to spend time coddling them, stroking their egos, and responding to their insincerity.

Why reward bad behavior?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
7. It's a FUCKING DISGRACE
Tue May 10, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016
That’s something that’s becoming not just a trend in, but a cancer upon, the 2016 presidential election, so let’s go back in time to find the root of the problem. If you can, cast your mind all the way back to February 19th — less than 90 days ago. On February 19th, only two states — Iowa and New Hampshire — had held primary votes for the Democratic presidential nomination. The results in Iowa (a tie) and New Hampshire (a landslide victory for Bernie Sanders) had at that point made Sanders the front-runner for the nomination.

Sanders was the leader in the popular vote.

Sanders was the early leader in the all-important pledged-delegate count.

And here’s where the super-delegate count stood on February 19th:

Hillary Clinton: 451
Bernie Sanders: 19
Now it’s May, and we’re being told that the sole purpose of the Democratic “super-delegate” has all along been to acknowledge the popular-vote and pledged-delegate leader.

Except that’s nonsense.

Response to Lodestar (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
16. In 08 the supers switched to Obama when it became clear he would have the most delegates
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:19 AM
May 2016

This is like a promise and is not against any rule. Hillary realizing she could not move them conceded and endorsed before the convention. The supers don't t have to wait until the convention to reveal their choice. The last thing we need is chaos at the convention when were are trying to beat Trump in the general.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
17. The superdelegates will vote for the person who wins the most pledged delegates
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

It's not that hard to understand. Early pledges don't mean a thing, as we saw them rightly switch to Obama in 2008.

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