Sickening that some on DU are defending Kissinger

[gabeana]

just left me speechless

[cali]

1. Yes. And saying that Bernie is no different than Kissinger was an added bit of vile

[gabeana]

2. Someone said that?

what the fuck,

[cali]

3. Repeatedly

[gabeana]

5. Just shaking my head n/t

[MisterP]

22. I demand the link! I need an excuse to start drinking!

[cali]

28. Ask and you...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027820277

[MisterP]

29. "call us cultists one more time and we'll leave a rattlesnake in your mailbox!"

[Hortensis]

49. Sickening macrohypocrisy. This is on GD-Primary not because

of Kissinger's association with war crimes but because of an unindicted war criminal's relationship with Hillary Clinton. Using napalmed babies as a facile component of ultra-partisan attacks against someone WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM is, IMO, far worse than just shabby behavior.

If you actually have a problem with crisped babies or other of Kissinger's actions back when Hillary was in high school and college -- that is strong enough to muscle out your anxiety over Hillary's wins, TAKE IT TO THE GD FORUM. Where you can talk about U.S. policicy all the people who died and why without pivoting off topic to an adolescent in Chicago who was just discovering she was a liberal.

[m-lekktor]

33. wow nt

[VulgarPoet]

72. Jesus Christ, Brock's getting his money's worth out of his new hires. nt

[krawhitham]

81. +1

[Buzz Clik]

85. Yeah, that's bullshit. Nobody in that thread defended Kissinger. NOBODY!

But this is how you roll.

[Nye Bevan]

32. They are indeed different. Bernie never won the Nobel Peace Prize. (nt)

[cali]

38. My, my, aren't you a wit.

[bjo59]

46. Your posts are entertaining and enlightening. I know you don't represent everyone in the

Democratic Party but, nonetheless, your posts do a very, very admirable job of illustrating that it is a very stupid idea to vote for a candidate just because he or she is a registered Democrat. (Oh, by the way, as per another post of yours: Obama isn't a conservative, he's a neocon/neoliberal (two sides of the same coin). Am I right?

[arikara]

69. But Obama did

and he's done a pretty good job of bombing civilians under his watch too. Not quite up to Kissinger's level but still. I guess that just goes to show how much the "Peace" Prize actually has to do with peace.

[Redwoods Red]

4. Fleeting partisan advantage trumps everything for some.

[RufusTFirefly]

6. Cognitive dissonance is an awesome phenomenon

They have to defend Kissinger. Otherwise the whole house of cards will come crashing down.

It's much like the precarious situation that occurs when you build lie upon lie upon lie.

That's why certain politicians are overly cautious, inauthentic, and duplicitous, while others can speak with remarkable ease, freedom, and candor.

[scscholar]

30. They're defending Clinton's relationship...

not defending Kissinger! There's a huge difference.

[BillZBubb]

41. Sure, sure there is. You've had the Kool Aid, so nothing to see here.

It's sad when the price of supporting your favorite candidate is accepting all the amoral baggage that requires.

What is more sad is that so many blindly and avidly pay that price.

[RufusTFirefly]

48. A distinction without a difference. Reminds me of a classic Hitchcock quote:

"I never said all actors are cattle; what I said was all actors should be treated like cattle."

Keep parsing. You're proving my point.

[tymorial]

52. This ^. So many of this ^^^^

The cognitive dissonance on this site is shocking. I can't tell you how many times I have seen people defend things were so vehemently attacked just a short time ago Money in politics #1 on the list.

[vintx]

73. It's been a real eye-opener.

[99th_Monkey]

7. "Excuse me, but your true colors are showing" <- Hillary's "mentored" by a war criminal. nt

[Fumesucker]

8. The tent, it is big

[Kip Humphrey]

18. Then the tent needs Berning!

[Arugula Latte]

9. It's just fucking disgusting, isn't it?

How low can you sink...

[Attorney in Texas]

10. This is not the party it used to be

[Blue_Tires]

11. You haven't been around very long

I've seen DU defend *much* worse people than Kissinger...

[gabeana]

15. Been around since 04 not many worse in my mind than Kissinger

[Blue_Tires]

17. Oh, I'd put Assad WAAYYYYYY ahead of him

among others who make Kissinger look like a boy scout...

[stevenleser]

20. And I'd put Putin ahead of Assad. nt

[jberryhill]

54. I've seen Kim Jong-Il defended here

[stevenleser]

62. Yup. I remember that. But I'm bad for defending Al Gore.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027823065#post59

[jberryhill]

64. Have you SEEN the size of his HOUSE!

Well, at least Al Gore's house is smaller than Kim Jong-Il's.


Not by much, mind you.

[stevenleser]

65. One of the reasons I liked occupy was their position towards the wealthy...

which I have adopted as my own policy towards the wealthy ever since.

"We are not against the 1%, we are against policies that benefit the 1% at the expense of the 99%"

I appreciated that wisdom the moment I heard it. All of which is a long way of explaining that it doesn't affect my opinion if someone has a big house. It would affect my opinion if to get that house the individual either personally enacted laws or lobbied to have laws enacted to hurt the 99%.

[gabeana]

23. I am referring to the U.S. guys

you know the "good" guys

[Blue_Tires]

24. Luckily, DU isn't limited to strictly discussing U.S.-related matters...

[gabeana]

45. Well I was only talking about

U.S. matters

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. Interesting that you would describe a war criminal as a boy scout.

[Blue_Tires]

61. Compared to Assad? He is...

What, you want to start comparing evil statistics like they're baseball cards or something?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

66. Why would I when you possess a skill at it?

[bvar22]

26. I've been here since early 2001,

and I can't remember anyone defending somebody worse than Kissinger.

Could you name a few?

[mrdmk]

59. It is called spin of a million degrees, I've seen it many times, been here since 2003

When people argue about using violent means to oust a thug dictator, such as a war, will leave a power vacuum for something worse and unforeseen, concluding there will be many more problems than we have now. The argument turns into you are defending the said thug dictator. It is matter of justifying death and destruction for a pie in the sky ends to a means.

Unfortunately, since President Obama had promised in 2007 to end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq there needs to be a justification of Obama's action. Also, since Secretary Clinton was a major role player in those same actions, what you will see is a swarm of the flying spaghetti monster attempting to defend the indefensible. Of all of the statements made by Clinton that Kissinger is her mentor to make her look like a bad-ass on foreign policy for the public to consume. Now Obama is getting into the act for whatever...

The only group of people on this board justifying war, using less than savoury heads of state for our means worlds new order, keeping the masses in line and so forth, are the center right authoritarian military corporatist who believe people are better off being told what to do rather than thinking for themselves. The reason you can't remember anyone defending somebody worse than Kissinger is because in reality, it never happened, not the way it is being used in this context.

.

[vintx]

75. THANK YOU

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Hannah Arendt called it "the banality of evil".

Otherwise good people embracing or ignoring evil. Kissinger was "just doing his job", "just following orders", "what choice did he have?"

All rationalizations for war criminal responsible for the murder of millions in the name of "realpolitik".

[VulgarPoet]

74. As far as I'm concerned, "Befehl ist befehl" didn't work at Nuremburg. nt

[AtomicKitten]

13. Vacationing with Kissinger & lauding Reagan's HIV/AIDS advocacy should be a deal-breaker for Dems.

But for some inexplicable reason, those jaw-droppingly offensive actions elicit a yawn from some.

[Joob]

14. Kissinger "evolved"

[libtodeath]

16. I have seen FDR and the New Deal trashed

while claiming to be progressives.

[stevenleser]

63. FDR was great but not perfect, unless you intend to defend relocation of Americans

Of Japanese origin to Manzanar and similar camps.

There are bad things that FDR did and can be rightly criticized about. Is that what one should focus on about him? I'm guessing you would agree the answer is no. That's how many of us feel when folks like you concentrate on the negatives of folks like Gore, thi Clintons and Obama. I'm guessing those kinds of things were the points being made to you by folks "criticizing FDR" and you are micharacterizing that here.

[libtodeath]

67. No but nice try.

[stevenleser]

68. The truth may not be what you want it to be but it's still the truth.

Yes and that's the way it is.

[libtodeath]

71. *

[Octafish]

88. What do you know about Henry Kissinger?

Where's he stand in comparison to FDR?

[arcane1]

19. "Whatever It Takes(tm)"

[Kip Humphrey]

21. Republicrats have ruined the Democratic Party and DU is following suit.

[gordianot]

42. I agree!

Maybe DU needs to go "Underground". Or start a new forum specifically for Republicrats.

[Kip Humphrey]

50. Republicrats Underground sounds too much like a burial service... or a zombie movie!

[Warren DeMontague]

25. I made this same point the other day, too.

Despicable. I agree.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. Seriously, but then Hillary LOVES her some Kissinger, so, they must defend the indefensible.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Nye Bevan]

31. Well he DID win the Nobel Peace Prize (like Obama).

Just throwing that out there.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

36. I didn't realize that they gave out Nobels for body counts.

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[farleftlib]

34. indefensible

The man is pure evil. He has stated that military men are stupid animals to be used
and thrown away, their deaths meaningless. If you can defend that, along with war
crimes and cover ups of same, I don't even want to hear about it.

"When Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize, satire died."

[Ferd Berfel]

37. It's disgusting that some at DU defend

fracking
monsanto
NAFTA
TPP
GMO
no single payer
less than $15/hr

These people are not progressive, or liberal. They are as 'conservative' as any republican.

[Nye Bevan]

39. Has President Obama condemned any of those things on your list?

Do you consider him to be as conservative as any Republican?

Oh and BTW I don't know if you forgot to add Citizens United, which I wholeheartedly defend (along with the ACLU).

[Ferd Berfel]

40. Puts Social Security on teh chopping Block

Drone strikes on civilians, and of course TPP - the end of US sovereignty....?

I voted for him every time from Senate Primary on up. He's been a huge disappointment.

[bjo59]

43. That's where we are in this country these days. Down is up, right is left, Republican is Democrat,

and everyone living in the corporate media's perpetual present. History is for suckers, right? Yes, it's stomach churningly sickening. A Machiavellian horrorshow named Henry Kissinger is honored for his "public service" by a Democratic administration and there are Democrats applauding it. I find myself thinking about "Brave New World," nearly every day now....

[BillZBubb]

44. To support Hillary, you have to check you moral integrity at the door.

You have to forget all your long cherished ideas of good and evil. You have to accept what, before you became one of her followers, would have been revolting to you.

Kissinger love is just one of the many amoral things the Hillary fanatics have to rationalize, defend, excuse, and if necessary praise.

The world turned upside down.

[EndElectoral]

47. Not sure if HRC has anonymous handles on here, but that could be who it is.

[Gomez163]

51. You need to let go of the past. We have only now.

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Peace Patriot]

56. Yup, "we need to look forward not backward" on the crimes of the rich and powerful.

They teach that at Harvard Law School.

But somehow, some way, I still have a distant, ancient memory of TWO MILLION PEOPLE slaughtered in Southeast Asia, and nearly 60,000 U.S. soldiers killed, and many more than that permanently wounded. And something else...some remote other thing... or, yeah, pregnant leftist women being jailed, giving birth, being murdered and their babies taken away and given to fascist families, and, um, leftists being thrown out of airplanes, somewhere down south of us in the land that doesn't matter.

But you youngies can go sit in your hot tubs and not think about it.

[JEB]

86. Yes, that's what I remember as well. Thanks

for stating it plain as day.

[Demsrule86]

53. Sickening that some post Fox stuff

An old man who served many years ago being honored by the president...meh.

[Waiting For Everyman]

55. Sickening too, that there is a "Kissinger Wing"

of the Democratic party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pierre-guerlain/hillary-clinton-and-the-k_b_9199554.html

What alarms me the most about this honoring of Kissinger is that it's like a statement to the public that he is now the top of the establishment. I knew that Hillary was his groupie, but Obama too?!

That says "entrenched" in a very foreboding way. The current President and the proposed (and expected) future President both acknowledging a sort of fealty to this monster?

It explains a LOT about how things have been going in the Dem party for some time. Of course Kissinger was already lauded by the Repubs ever since Nixon.

We are in much deeper trouble than I even guessed before.

[Katashi_itto]

57. One Word.

?w=656

[ucrdem]

58. Shocking. Meanwhile stay tuned to FOX 24/7 to catch the Chief's next non-news drip!

[arikara]

70. I agree

Its sickening.
Appalling.

[Merryland]

76. some of these people may be too young to remember

but Hillary isn't & neither am I. He was/is downright evil.

[deathrind]

77. Yea it is.

His depiction in Dr Strangeglove was very apt.

[NewImproved Deal]

78. No surprise. Hillary Clinton has always been a pro-war Neo-Con...

[link:http://inthesetimes.com/article/18998/neocon-war-hawks-want-hillary-clinton-over-donald-trump.-no-surprisetheyve|

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

79. They're married to him now. If Hillary was their girl, they'd STILL despise him

[Buzz Clik]

80. Link? Quote?

[QC]

82. They would defend John Wayne Gacy

if they thought it somehow helped their candidate.

This isn't politics--it's pure personality cultism.

[EndElectoral]

83. May be the single most nauseating posts ever witnessed here when Dem's defend Kissinger.

[Buzz Clik]

84. Link?

[Orsino]

87. Kissinger may be a symptom rather than the disease...

...but he taints everything he touches.