Are the ideas that Hillary has been completely vetted, and

[mindwalker_i]

that Sanders is hurting her by staying in the race, contradictory?

It would seem that if Hillary had been fully vetted, if would not be possible for attacks on her to have any effect. However, Hillary believers are making that claim. If one is "attaking" her, then it would logically follow that they are bringing up things that hurt her chances against the republican nominee and if they do hurt her, then they must be things that have not been previously brought to light and have been "vetted" already.

If Hillary is truely vetted and is a strong candidate, wouldn't competition strengthen her? It seems more like her supporters have put her on a pedistal and are furiously working to keep her there when all these "attacks" threaten to knock her off. The logical conclusion is that she has not been vetted and is not a strong candidate.

[tonyt53]

1. Uh, you might want to take a deep look at Bernie's past

His close connections and alliance with socialists will doom him with most voters over 50.

[lagomorph777]

2. I'm over 50 and I am proud and delighted to vote for a Socialist.

Not somebody with "connections and alliances with socialists." A real, loud, proud, in your face SOCIALIST!!

Yes, I said it. It's time to take back America from Joe McCarthy.

[timmymoff]

3. I'm 50 in August

and ain't buying your bullshit.

[lagomorph777]

9. You don't think I want to vote for a Socialist, or you don't think I'm over 50?

Both are fully true, I assure you.

Or maybe you think we should still be McCarthyites?

[Fast Walker 52]

17. I'm also over 50 and happy to support a socialist

to Lagomorph

[tonedevil]

18. No wonder...

you already have plenty of your own bullshit you don't need to buy any.

[timmymoff]

19. Nor do I need it offered from a conservative candidate running as a dem.

But then again with the weathervane we get all sides of every issue as a platform.

[tonedevil]

21. I think I significantly...

misread your earlier comment.

[timmymoff]

22. ok lol

[Martin Eden]

11. I'll take Bernie's close connections and alliances over Hillary's

Hillary is allied with Wall Street and with war criminals like Henry Kissinger.

I'm not sure which definition of "socialism" you're using. Do you have any evidence that Bernie Sanders and his associates wants the government to seize ownership of the means of production?

[mindwalker_i]

15. So just for the record...

This is classic deflection. The topic was about two issues with Hillary, and you brought up something completely unrelated about someone else. It screams, "Don't talk about this!!!!11!!11!!11!" It very much makes you look like one of Hillary's paid trolls.

[icecreamfan]

20. The majority of voters over 50 are voting for Trump anyway based exits in '04-'12

[SpareribSP]

4. Yes, they are.

I also don't understand how limiting discussion is supposed to be a good thing, either. With Bernie it's easy to disagree - guns, GMO labelling, nuclear power... very few people would jump down your throat and you could have a healthy conversation, but talking about issues Hillary has is suddenly high treason.

[SheilaT]

5. Hillary supporters thing the word "vetted"

means: "She's had a lot of shit thrown at her over the years."

They don't quite get that some of that so-called shit are legitimate criticisms.

Oh, and this over-50 person has no problem at all with the word Socialist as applied to Bernie. I look at the socialist countries in Europe and see how very much better their quality of life is, and it makes me consider moving.

[dana_b]

12. me too, Sheila

If you learn German, you can apply to a German college and if accepted, you can go and live there, tuition included, as long as you do it before the age of 55.

Regarding the vetting - she hasn't been vetted since she ran for President last time and there is a LOT for her to account for since that time.

[SheilaT]

14. I understand that the language of instruction at the graduate level in sciences in Europe

is often English. At least that's why my son, the physicist has told me. So maybe I should apply to grad school there in physics.

Although I suppose the fact that I've never taken a physics course ever would sort of work against me. Not to mention I'm 67 years old. I do like to think I look young for my age, but even if I claimed 53, I suppose they'd want proof of that. Darn.

[whatthehey]

6. Only a tiny bit

I don't buy the latter argument on the whole BTW, but the point there is not that Sanders is coming up with new lines of attack on Clinton, which he isn't, but that he's forcing her to commit resources which could be better used in the general (I doubt money will be a major obstacle), that he's giving some usable "See even Democrats think she's evil" attack ad ammo to Trump (true, but Christ there's plenty more the other way) and that he is demoralizing and depressing Dem enthusiasm for the likely nominee (this is the one part of the plaint which is true, but the realities of a GE campaign will settle in for most of them and the remainder were never likely to be reliable Dem voters anyway so the loss is likely small).

The former argument incidentally is surely true. Neither the VWRC in general nor Trump especially in particular are keep the powder dry types. We have heard constant Clinton attack nonsense for decades, much of it fanciful garbage. Unless she's caught on film sacrificing a virgin in a Black Mass in the next 5 months everybody who buys that crap already hates her and everybody persuadable to her in the slightest is already rolling their eyes at the tinfoil hatted loons who think she singlehandedly is responsible for everything negative in US history since JFK's assassination.

[mindwalker_i]

16. Good reply

Your arguments have some merit. I would argue that conflict makes us stronger - evolution, in other words - or kills off the flawed. It seems pretty clear that the whole DNC has been helping to prop up the deeply flawed candidate, but that can only help to a certain extent. They won't be able to do much against the republicans.

[onecaliberal]

7. HOW exactly has she been vetted. No one knows where she stands on anything.

Talk about etch a sketch. The woman seriously changes positions 9 times a day.

[KPN]

8. Absolutely!

The Hillary campaign is trying to have it both ways. But that's consistent with her past, no?

[Hiraeth]

10. Vetting Hillary is like peeling an onion.

[Rilgin]

13. They do not really understand that Vetting is a 2 way street.

Vetting is a deep look at a person's history and/or beliefs. In Hillary's case "vetting" has resulted in historically low unfavorable ratings only surpassed by Trump (although his are changing). That is what the vetting process has resulted in. Her favorables consistently go down when she is in public view.

She has been vetted and found unfavorable by the general electorate. To understand, picture the vetting process for a job interview. If most people do not like the candidate, you would not hire them. You would not claim that the candidate has been vetted and therefore deserved the job. And even in a vetting process that results in the decision that a candidate is bad, there will be some demographics that like a candidate. That is the case with Hillary.

She has core supporters in the Democratic Party although not a unified support in all of the party. However, this is not called being vetted. Her supporters think that because she has not suicided or committed herself to a mental institution or joined a tibetan monestary to stay silent the rest of her life the vetting has revealed her to have withstood her vetting process. The vetting process has done what vetting processes do, it has revealed a deeply unpopular candidate once you get past half of the Democratic party (a small subset of the General Electorate).