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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:07 PM May 2016

With Hillary's Creditability on "It's a Security Review" Squashed, It's Time For Her To Bow Out

Hillary and her campaign, along with lap-dog Blumenthal, have been saying for nearly a year that the FBI was performing a "Security Review" and not an Investigation. Directly lying to voters and saying that it was nothing, now, with recent discoveries in the latest weeks showing that yes, she's SUBJECT OF NOT ONE BUT TWO FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS. One for mishandling state secrets and one for corruption, both of which involve obstruction.

She has repeatedly lied to VOTERS about this.

She has known it was a lie.

Nominating her while being the subject of an FBI Investigation is reckless and dooming the party to the same level of disgrace that Clinton has already exhibited.

It's time to move on. It's time to nominate Bernie.

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With Hillary's Creditability on "It's a Security Review" Squashed, It's Time For Her To Bow Out (Original Post) berni_mccoy May 2016 OP
Got any proof? scscholar May 2016 #1
Been paying attention? If not, you should. Plenty of info in the news on this. berni_mccoy May 2016 #5
The FBI only conducts criminal investigations. morningfog May 2016 #22
More BullShit From "The Inevitable One!" The FBI INVESTIGATES and They Are "INVESTIGATING" HILLARY! CorporatistNation May 2016 #55
Pretending like the FBI didn't make it crystal clear that its an investigation, is totally dishonest reformist2 May 2016 #36
No one is giving Bernie Sanders the nomination, stop it. JaneyVee May 2016 #2
You aren't the only one with that opinion... One Black Sheep May 2016 #3
The Sane Progressive??? rbrnmw May 2016 #11
The "Sane Progressive" mumbling, fumbling and stumbling through oasis May 2016 #16
That's an incredibly sexist characterization DebDoo May 2016 #27
Because men don't mumble, stumble or fumble? oasis May 2016 #37
What's sexist about it? anigbrowl May 2016 #45
My use of the word "her" sent up a red flag. nt oasis May 2016 #46
I voted for the Faux pas May 2016 #4
Hillary will be the nominee... asuhornets May 2016 #6
It's unlikely she will at this point. berni_mccoy May 2016 #7
If not her then who? n/t asuhornets May 2016 #9
Did you read my OP? berni_mccoy May 2016 #10
Yes I did asuhornets May 2016 #12
I'm starting to really feel leftynyc May 2016 #8
I feel sorry for Hil Fans who think she has done nothing wrong. It must be frustrating fro you. berni_mccoy May 2016 #17
More LOL leftynyc May 2016 #18
Plenty to choose from berni_mccoy May 2016 #19
Where are the CHARGES? leftynyc May 2016 #26
the stages of grief have begun grasswire May 2016 #28
Projection leftynyc May 2016 #32
It's a textbook case. frylock May 2016 #40
I don't feel sorry for them. frylock May 2016 #39
Nominate Bernie? asuhornets May 2016 #13
Doesn't meet the Sainthood bar. Got it. BootinUp May 2016 #14
I think the entire Milky Way would fit between the Sainthood bar and the Lie Through Your Teeth Bar. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #21
I don't see a lie through the teeth anywhere in this OP. I am sure BootinUp May 2016 #23
Is this the bargaining stage? ... nt salinsky May 2016 #15
Still at the debilitating anger stage. That's why little of it makes sense. nt. NCTraveler May 2016 #25
She repeatedly lies, over and over amborin May 2016 #20
Four individual users, twenty-five searches, eleven states, information downloaded. NCTraveler May 2016 #24
"Creditability" NuclearDem May 2016 #29
IT'S LONG OVERDUE!! ViseGrip May 2016 #30
"I absolutely had permission" is a bald-faced lie too. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #31
The whole intent thing does my head in. stillwaiting May 2016 #35
Believe me when I say posting right wing bullshite from Faux or worse Demsrule86 May 2016 #49
She only sat through one mandatory annual compliance course on identification and handling.. frylock May 2016 #41
I love the Fonzy branding Fairgo May 2016 #53
Actually Demsrule86 May 2016 #50
intent is not required here for conviction grasswire May 2016 #52
Is the Hildenburg about to hit the tower and erupt into a ball of fire? Throd May 2016 #33
above all else, she is a LAWYER. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #34
Just tip out. Sky Masterson May 2016 #38
and she's willing to take down the Democratic party with her dana_b May 2016 #42
So Bernie Sanders could lose the General Demsrule86 May 2016 #48
K & R AzDar May 2016 #43
I get a kick out of these delusions of grandeur OPs ... JoePhilly May 2016 #44
You wish Demsrule86 May 2016 #47
Actually, in the imaginary world in which Hillary drops out, if it were to happen in mid-June, StevieM May 2016 #54
Another baseless and ridiculous radical anti-Hillary Tea-Left post. Yawn. RBInMaine May 2016 #51
You mean the guy who lied about releasing his tax records when he didn't, synergie May 2016 #56
 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
1. Got any proof?
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:08 PM
May 2016

You made a claim. Provide video, or even audio, of anyone in the FBI making this claim, or admit the only thing you have is a third-hand quote from a Hillary basher. Provide evidence.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
5. Been paying attention? If not, you should. Plenty of info in the news on this.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

Comey had a press conference on Wednesday where he was directly asked if it was a security review. He said it was not and that it was an investigation. Made it very clear.

The investigation into corruption has been ongoing, as the Clinton Foundation was subpoenaed last year after both Bill and Hillary lied about it.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
22. The FBI only conducts criminal investigations.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:51 PM
May 2016

Comey has been quoted as telling the reporter at the round table that there is no such thing as a security review.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
55. More BullShit From "The Inevitable One!" The FBI INVESTIGATES and They Are "INVESTIGATING" HILLARY!
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:01 AM
May 2016

IF SHE FOLLOWED THE LAW THERE WOULD BE ... NO INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI OF HER RECORDS AND ACTIVITIES!

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
36. Pretending like the FBI didn't make it crystal clear that its an investigation, is totally dishonest
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

oasis

(49,388 posts)
16. The "Sane Progressive" mumbling, fumbling and stumbling through
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:24 PM
May 2016

another half baked presentation. If Bernie should somehow get the nomination, his campaign should pay her to take a vacation until after the general election.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. I'm starting to really feel
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

sorry for you. Day after day after day you post one anti-Hillary screed after another and Bernie still can't overcome her lead in delegates. That must be very frustrating for you. Nobody is going to hand the loser of the pledged delegate race the nomination.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
17. I feel sorry for Hil Fans who think she has done nothing wrong. It must be frustrating fro you.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

Nobody is going to hand her the presidency when she's committed such crimes.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. More LOL
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

Crimes? Where are the charges? Where are the trials? Where are the convictions? I thought REAL Democrats actually cared about such things. Keep up the endless supplies of faux outrage post after post after post. They're very amusing.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
19. Plenty to choose from
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

Easy pickings:

1. Violation of gov't employment law: she had Pagliano hired by State when he was on her private payroll. Illegal.
2. Mishandling of state secrets.
3. Intentionally and knowingly bypassing security procedures

List goes on...

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. Where are the CHARGES?
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:57 PM
May 2016

The TRIALS, the CONVICTIONS? You make this too easy. Carry on with your delusions because now I'm entertaining other people with them. You provide much therapy through belly laughs.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. Projection
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

thy name is Bernie supporter. But really, do keep it up. I used to feel sorry for you but I got past that....now I share the amusement with others.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
39. I don't feel sorry for them.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:40 PM
May 2016

In fact, I'm quite going to enjoy the watching emotional breakdowns on display here when the FBI recommends an indictment.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
13. Nominate Bernie?
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders has to win the majority of the votes. He has to earn like everyone else. But he is losing.

BootinUp

(47,157 posts)
14. Doesn't meet the Sainthood bar. Got it.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016


This is one of the reasons some people hate politicians. They don't have a clue what it would take to be one.
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
21. I think the entire Milky Way would fit between the Sainthood bar and the Lie Through Your Teeth Bar.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

And if lying is "what it takes" to be a politician, I see a sea-change on the horizon. People are getting tired of that.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. Four individual users, twenty-five searches, eleven states, information downloaded.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:55 PM
May 2016

Months worth of FEC inquiries including a recent one in the hundreds of pages.

Public attempts to subvert the will of the voters.

Nah. I'll go with Clinton.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
31. "I absolutely had permission" is a bald-faced lie too.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

More bullshit:

Nothing was marked classified. (That's 100% irrelevant, as she knows.)

No intent to mishandle records. (Intent doesn't enter into it, as she knows.)

Others did it too. (All the State Dept.'s communications for 4 years on a private DIY server does not equal a few emails on a commercial server, as she knows.)


Everything she has said about this, including that it's a right-wing smear, she has known full well was a total LIE. Nothing she says can be relied upon at all.

She is a lawyer. So is Bill Clinton. So is Obama. They all know that her statements on this are nonsense.

This is a deliberate attempt by all involved to CON the voters of America into electing her under FALSE PRETENSES.

That attempt alone, even if nothing else was wrong, disqualifies her and shreds their credibility and integrity (what's left of it).

So far, Obama is the least guilty one in this. But he knew that that "intent" remark he made in her defense was bullshit, and deliberately misleading the public. Not cool.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
35. The whole intent thing does my head in.
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:18 PM
May 2016

Your post is spot on, and it is a shame that a LARGE majority of Democrats don't seem to share this opinion currently.

Maybe that will change over the next few weeks.

Or maybe Blue Team can do no wrong.

We will see!

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
49. Believe me when I say posting right wing bullshite from Faux or worse
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

will not change our minds...Bernie will be done in early June...Skinner will call it and we won't have anymore Right wing propaganda from Bernie Sanders supporters.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
41. She only sat through one mandatory annual compliance course on identification and handling..
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

of classified transmissions. ONE!



Reminds me of Bush. "You've covered your ass, now."

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
53. I love the Fonzy branding
Fri May 13, 2016, 11:56 PM
May 2016

mass death with a click of the blackberry, brushing the ghosts of the dead off your shoulder while testifying, man, she is the O.G. I bet there will be another Fonzy moment photo when her escalade parade rolls up on the first day of trial.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
50. Actually
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

I don't think any of you understand how it works...intent is everything...now the right FBI guy is just going slow for his rightwing buddies...he has nothing. If he did, he would have acted sooner.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
52. intent is not required here for conviction
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:45 PM
May 2016

Just leaving a secret document out on a desk overnight is considered enough for conviction.

I can see that you haven't kept up with the matters at hand.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
33. Is the Hildenburg about to hit the tower and erupt into a ball of fire?
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:15 PM
May 2016

It would be a fitting end to her hubris.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
42. and she's willing to take down the Democratic party with her
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

she's so selfish. If she cared one BIT for the voters, she would drop out.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
44. I get a kick out of these delusions of grandeur OPs ...
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

... did you write all that out on one of these first?



Hear Ye!! Hear Ye!!

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
47. You wish
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

It would be the only way your loser candidate could be the nominee...of course he would reclaim loser status when he lost the general.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
54. Actually, in the imaginary world in which Hillary drops out, if it were to happen in mid-June,
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:10 AM
May 2016

after the voting was over, Bernie still wouldn't get the nomination. The convention would turn to Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren.

The only way Bernie can win the nomination is if it was handed to him by allowing him to run unopposed.

And again, this whole conversation is fraudulent. Hillary will not be dropping out, nor should she. She will win the nomination and then she will win the general election.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
56. You mean the guy who lied about releasing his tax records when he didn't,
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:02 AM
May 2016

lied about what his campaign staff's hacking of and stealing of Clinton's data? The one who is trouble with the FEC, which is an actual violation of federal laws?

Funny how she's actually not being investigated for either thing that you mention, but your guys has repeatedly lied to voters about supposed "money laundering" and so many other things that they know full well are lies, but gee, let's violate the will of the majority of ALL voters, and give the liar the crown he failed to win on his own, even after pulling lots of dishonest dirty tricks, including intimidation of super-delegates.

Bernie sure is a disgrace, per your own standards, it is time to move on and for the loser to stop demanding that rules don't apply to him, that voters MUST be disenfranchised, and their votes disregarded since Bernie and his minions believe that losing is WINNING and it's his turn, and HRC voters and Dems shouldn't count anyway it's only the Democratic party and libertarians, Trump voters and Indies are the only votes that count, not those blah... voters in the South who "celebrate the culture of the Confederacy" and gather on ghetto street corners where they fail to educate themselves of the great hope that Bernie offers them!

These impassioned posts demanding disenfranchisement while parroting RW talking points might serve the agenda of Rove and the GOP, but despite their comedic value, they're not something that anyone who is interested in democracy, or the Democratic party, or any true liberal or progressive would lower themselves to post.

* note to a jury these are facts that are backed up by evidence, the quotes Bernie and his supporters have made, which are offensive, but which they actually said and the origins of the lies about the FBI thing, which are demonstrably right wing and which are pushed by Fox, and their dedicated followers. If you are offended that people call out such posts as being RW in nature, the posters should refrain from using RW talking points.

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