So what exactly is Bernie's game plan at this point?

[Cali_Democrat]

It's pretty much impossible for Bernie to win a majority of pledged delegates or popular votes at this point.

His only hope is to have the superdelegates overturn the will of the people and deny the very first female nominee of a major political party.

We know that would never happen.

Bernie needs to come to grips with the fact that he's a loser and move on.

[LexVegas]

1. Bern down what little is left of his dignity. nt

[anotherproletariat]

3. Ha! It's so true, his legacy is rapidy becoming that of a selfish, angry old man

There was talk on MSNBC this morning of the Dems taking away his committee seats if he continues to use personal attacks to further divide the party. The funny thing is that if the Democratic 'establishment' is talking like this, there is NO way he will ever get more than a few super delegates. It's as if he is destroying his own lifeboat.

[larkrake]

15. Selfish? Berie? How so?

[anotherproletariat]

26. At some point, his campaign turned from idealism to self-promotion

As many are openly discussing, if he truly believed in his message, the best chance to guide any of his ideas to implementation at this point would be to get out of the race. Any realistic person knows that he has already lost, for all intents and purposes. By throwing his support behind the party nominee, it gives the progressive agenda the best chance for victory in the fall. The longer he stays in, the more bitterness he is creating by the very people who he would need to help him push forward any of his ideas.

His current aim seems to be solely for self-gain, a few more days of celebrity, and is possibly being pushed by his campaign managers who are being handsomely paid, as long as Sanders continues to run.

I understand that strong Sanders supports would disagree, but most of that passion comes because they are buying into the constant drum beat out of that campaign that they will still win. Think about this, the MSM is trying their hardest to prolong the race, because it is good for ratings. But even they have shifted to covering the general election, because the 'path forward' for Sanders really doesn't exist. If they could possibly manufacture more of a primary contest, you know they would.

[CrowCityDem]

2. Win California so he has something to brag about in the Senate next year.

[Dawgs]

4. One, Hillary is currently under "investigation" by the FBI.

She could be thrown in jail any day now.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. So he's hoping for the superdelegates to overturn the will of the people. nt

[morningfog]

23. No. Read it again, slower if needs be.

The poster did not say the super delegates should overturn the will of the people.

Are you saying we should be bound to running a candidate who is indicted or imprisoned? That is absurd.

[puffy socks]

35. What candidate has been imprisoned or indicted?

Bernie for campaign funding violations?

[morningfog]

36. None have. Never said one was or would be.

[puffy socks]

48. "Are you saying we should be bound to running a candidate who is indicted or imprisoned? "

That hasn't happened, so why worry about it?
You certainly aren't the least bit worried about the illegal contributions coming from foreigners that Bernie is under investigation for by the FEC, and he's been uncooperative. with both that AND releasing his taxes!
He's under investigation and should not run.

[morningfog]

53. Do you know how to follow subthreads?

Try re-reading each post and each response, in order.

[Dawgs]

55. Hillary is the ONLY ONE currently under investigation.

Bernie is staying in because he knows that anything can happen. BTW, that's exactly what Hillary said when she stayed in 2008... that anything could happen to Obama (like being assassinated).

Wow!

[morningfog]

56. You clearly do not understand the word imply

or many other words for that matter or how to follow subthreads. Good luck to you.

By the way, welcome back! Try to stick around longer this time.

[riderinthestorm]

66. Did you see that profile? 392 posts in 23 days

Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

[morningfog]

71. Yes, and 2 hidden posts. And their name includes "socks." Not fooling anyone.

[yuiyoshida]

78. and the results are in!

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[MariaThinks]

70. yes he is

[panader0]

34. A very good reason for Bernie to stay in the race.

[apcalc]

68. That's a laff.

[MariaThinks]

72. btw- innocent until proven guilty.

also - I'm afraid that something could come out of Bernie's past and he could end up in jail. Why doesn't he step aside - we can't have someone run who may, at anytime, be indicted. Can Bernie prove to us that he will not be charged by the FBI? Imagine, election morning, the police take Bernie away in handcuffs. That would be horrible. Why is he putting us through that risk?

[Dawgs]

81. Glad to see that you agree that Hillary should step aside and stop putting the election at risk.

Good to know.

[MariaThinks]

85. more than ever. because without her, we've won every election in history

[oldandhappy]

5. Ever onward!

Take as many delegates as is possible to the Repub funded convention for the Dems. Influence the platform if possible. Bernie knows exactly what he is doing!

[Blue Meany]

6. I don't know. But until there have been thorough investigations of

the voting irregularities that have occured in a number of places, I hope he would stay in the race. The Baltimore election has already been decertified and there are lawsuits over the primaries in Chicago, Arizona, New York, and probably elsewhere (Missouri?) I don't know what sorts of remedies can be had through courtcases, but revotes or extending the ballot to those disenfranchised are not impossibilities, and that could change the delegate count. Based on past experience, such as the 2008 Convention, some issues are likely to land in the rules committee, which is why it is important that it not be stacked with supporters of one candidate. That would be a sure way to divide the party.

[dubyadiprecession]

7. Oh jeff weaver!.. Help bernie make it through the campaign..

[Buddyblazon]

9. .

So what exactly is Hillarys game plan at this point?

It's pretty much impossible for Hillary to win a majority of votes in the general election.

Her only hope is for her to suddenly become liked by the millions that despise her. Believing that will happen is fantasy and just denying the very first Jewish nominee of a major political party in American history.

We know this would never happen. The massive swath of people that have despised her for decades aren't just going away.

Hillary needs to come to grips with the fact that she's a loser and that at this point that massive bloc of the voting population (that don't get to vote in democratic parties primaries and caucuses) are never ever going to vote for her in the GE and move on.

[leftynyc]

11. LOL

The only people that think she can't beat donnie are desperate Bernie supporters. THE ONLY PEOPLE.

[Buddyblazon]

14. Okay...

Whatever gets you through the night. If you
dont think she's loathed by a huge portion of the population, ignoring all the facts to the contrary, then that's what you believe.

It's still not going to change my write in vote for
Bernie.

[leftynyc]

16. You are certainly

free to do whatever stupid thing with your vote that you wish. That you think someone who wants to RAISE TAXES ON EVERYONE has a chance in the US is simply adorable.

[Buddyblazon]

18. When people don't understand the difference...

Between reallocation of funds and using them for things that actually help Americans instead of spending them on things that do not better our lives...and simply raising taxes for the joy of it...

I already know they're not bright enough to have a conversation about politics.

Good day!

[Buddyblazon]

19. Call people stupid...

Hope for their vote.

Lol

[puffy socks]

40. Why try and convince true believers?

I don't see a point. Sander's reasonable supporters have all seen the light.

The remaining Bernie fanatics aren't going to change anyway.
No one is begging them for their vote, but that's really what they want.

[leftynyc]

24. And we both know

that nuance is so big with Americans in the heat of a campaign season. C'mon, is this the first election where you've paid attention because it sure appears that way. I only have bright conversations with those who come prepared.

[Buddyblazon]

27. Voted in every election....

Since '92. Including midterms.

I'm well prepared...certainly for the likes of you. Lol

[leftynyc]

51. Compared to me,

you're a newbie voter.....which is appropriate as you sound like one. Maybe if you remembered McGovern you'd know better. Now I'm off to chat with people who actually know about how elections work....toodles.

[silvershadow]

28. To be honest, she should have dropped out months ago when

the wheels fell off the bus at the first of the year. Had she done this, neither Bernie nor the party would be in this rather untenable position.

[Buddyblazon]

31. Selfish people are that way...

And like most selfish people, she'll never recognize she's selfish.

[onehandle]

10. In a few weeks he'll be back to being a panelist on MSNBC.

Which is the only place I ever saw him before this role.

[whatchamacallit]

12. To continue to ignore those who have been calling for him to drop out

(pretty much since he announced), and do what his millions of supporters what him to do: fight for it all the way to the convention.

[larkrake]

13. So far from a loser, he will push the few honest down ticket candidates

He has the popular vote when you include independents, native americans and half the dems. No Trump voter would ever switch to Hillary, but Bernie does appeal to their distrust of corporation and war machines, so Bernie is favored among the American populace, He inspires growth, Hillary inspires suicide.

[morningfog]

17. Popular vote is irrelevant. And "pretty much impossible" is not impossible with respect to PDs.

The supers won't flip. Any hope of the nomination turns on the PD majority, which is not a mathematical impossibility.

Regardless, there is value in his staying in separate from actually winning the nomination. Even if he knows he won't win, he is amassing delegates and representatives for the convention. He is carrying his messages to every state.

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. Don't you love that? "pretty much impossible"

Leaves enough room to wiggle out of a straight jacket.

[silvershadow]

29. Which, so far, she appears to be adept at. nt

[HumanityExperiment]

20. Proportional voting trends...

Both Bernie and HRC won't acquire the required number of delegates before convention based upon proportional voting trends...

SDs will be required for either nominee to earn the nomination

so what's the SD plan there then?

MSM needs to report on that....

[catnhatnh]

22. He reveals it in an E-mail

which he sends to anyone who donates $27 or more to his campaign. If you go to the Act Blue link from Omaha Steve you should have all the details by tonight.

[silvershadow]

30. +1. nt

[asuhornets]

25. I agree. But he is not a Democrat..so he presses on..Hopefully June he'll see the math.n/t

[morningfog]

37. LOL! June is the end of the voting. Ya'll have been setting his drop out date

for a week ahead since Jan. 1.

Now, it is "He'll see! On JUne 7, when the voting is OVER!" lol

[asuhornets]

39. I know voting is over in June

But he will not concede until then.

[morningfog]

44. And he shouldn't. Not until Hillary clinches it.

[asuhornets]

46. She already clinched it. Democrats picked Hillary-the only Democrat in the race...n/t

[morningfog]

58. Neither of those are true. Bernie is a Democrat, she has not clinched it.

[asuhornets]

60. He has a funny way of showing it...n/t

[morningfog]

61. Which of his policy positions are antithetical to the Democratic Party's positions?

He's running for the Democratic nomination and will remain a Democrat after the nomination process concludes.

[asuhornets]

64. I don't think he will remain a Democrat but we'll see..

Bashing the Demo. Est. every chance he gets..when he is running on its platform. I have a problem with that.

[morningfog]

69. He says he will. The Democratic Party needs to be pushed. He is providing us a service.

[NuclearDem]

41. He can either see it on June 7

or when Chuck Schumer strips him of his committee assignments.

[morningfog]

45. Are you Schumer's strong arm now? LOL.

[NuclearDem]

49. Oh, I'm sure Senate Democrats are going to love him when he comes back.

You know, after he sued their party, called loyal Democrats and progressive institutions "unqualified", "establishment", and corrupt, and pointlessly drew out a fight long after anyone with any sense knew it was over and drained assets that should've been used for the general election.

But hey, anything to help pay for Tad's summer home.

[riderinthestorm]

59. Oh they're gone anyway and he knows it. Clinton's are notoriously vindictive

He knows he has nothing to lose since the Clinton's have already put out the hit list on Bernie I'm absolutely certain.

[chknltl]

43. I did not know this...

Do you also have a copy of Bernie Sanders' birth certificate that disagrees with the official one?

[asuhornets]

47. birth certificate?

[NuclearDem]

50. Apparently political party is noted on one's birth certificate.

[asuhornets]

52. LOL....n/t

[chknltl]

57. Well you claim that he is not a Democrat.

I figured you might have other interesting but little known revalations about Bernie Sanders. Do you have proof that millions of us voted in this 2016 Primary for a Democrat who runs with faked credentials?

[asuhornets]

62. He just changed the (I) to a (D), for now.. Let's see if he remains one....n/t

[chknltl]

74. So your claim was in error.

Glad we got that figured out.

BTW I am juror 1:

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Tired meme. He IS a Democrat. Else he wouldn't be running as one.

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[asuhornets]

75. oh geezz

[chknltl]

77. Yep, pretty dumb alert.

Posts which claim either Bernie or Hillary are not Democrats are equally dumb. nuff said.

[asuhornets]

79. Four words for U:

Madame President Hillary Clinton (D)

[chknltl]

80. Perhaps she is in an alternate universe.

In this one we have a nice guy named B. Obama in that position. BTW this conversation is as dumb as that alert, I have better things to do, have a nice day.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. To do the right thing and keep up the fight against a corrupt political system.

He's trying to wean one of he establishment parties from its corporate dependency. And, he's doing it from the "inside" as so many Democrats urge dissenters to do.

[highprincipleswork]

33. Listen, Bernie should get a lot of credit for leading the Democratic Party in the correct direction.

He has shown that we don't need to be dependent on grimy corporate lobbyists to run campaigns. He has shown we don't need to be beholden to them and think like them. He has proved there is a vast hunger out there for a different kind of campaign and politician, one who is authentic and doesn't just pay lip service to Progressive Democratic politics but actually lives and breathes by them.

Bernie should keep up his campaign,as long as it takes. probably all the way to the convention.

One reason to do this is the chance, no matter how big or small, that the FBI investigation will hinder Hillary's ability to run a decent campaign without hurting the Democratic Party. If this happens, he should rightfully be second in line, and if he was to drop out the powers that be would find it much easier to simply ignore him.

He should also take it all the way to continue to prove the popularity of these ideas and these policies

I don't know for sure what his plan is, but that is what his plan should be. And I'm behind him all the way. More than 100%.

And Bernie is no loser. To many of us he's absolutely the best candidate we have, and i'd like to see you or any thousand of other Clinton supporters come from behind the way he has and do what he has done. You should only be that lucky.

HAVE SOME RESPECT!!!

[NuclearDem]

38. To help Tad make the final payment on his yacht.

Er, I mean, advocate for the middle class and take corrupt money out of politics.

Yeah, that.

[frylock]

82. TDS

[riderinthestorm]

42. Take his message to as many people as he can, for as long as he can

Keep Hillary from getting the magic number so he has leverage at the convention for his ideas, and to ensure everyone in the remaining states has a chance to vote their choice.

I just sent more $$ to Bernie’s campaign in your honor Cali_Democrat.

[GreatGazoo]

63. Stop hurting your candidate

CMM: Why Hillary Clinton isn't pushing Bernie Sanders to exit race

Clinton needs the excited supporters that have rallied around Sanders and hopes treating the senator's campaign respectfully will make them more likely to back her against Trump. Clinton has already started to make overtures to Sanders' supporters -- pledging to support them even if they don't support her -- and campaign aides have said those will continue in the coming weeks.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-exit-race/

[LanternWaste]

65. I think his plan is as it has been... to run for the Presidency and hopefully achieve it.

I think his plan is as it has been... to run for the Presidency and hopefully achieve it.

The rest of your essay being merely unsupported editorial and allegation easily exceeded in both content and nuance by half-page articles in Dynamite magazine authored by third-grade school children (potential jurors-- let me express here that the third graders in question are very talented, monolingual Swiss children).

[MariaThinks]

67. help trump win so all the bernie supporters can blame hillary for running

[KingFlorez]

73. Prepare for his new career on the speaking circuit

As well as books, appearances and other opportunities to earn money.

[dchill]

76. "pretty much impossible"<>impossible

And we will soon see who is the real loser.

[NobodyHere]

83. He's hoping for a recommendation for indictment.

That's the only chance he has.

[Demsrule86]

84. I heard his guy this morning

and Bernie said something similar the day before yesterday...the plan is to show the supers polls after California...and get them to flip...you know give the losing candidate the nomination based on polling. Bernie has truly crossed over to the dark side.

[anamnua]

86. I think he has lost. But he is not a 'loser'

anymore than Hillary was in 2008.