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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:10 AM May 2016

Sorry, liberals. Elizabeth Warren isn’t going to be Hillary Clinton’s running mate.

File under no shit.


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My dear liberal friends, I can feel your excitement already. But while Warren will be a great anti-Trump surrogate for Clinton — maybe the best Clinton will have — she’s not going to be on the ticket. Sorry to deliver the bad news.

There are a few reasons for this. The first is that Clinton and Warren aren’t close or even particularly friendly, and personal rapport is a key part of an effective working relationship between the president and vice president, as Clinton surely understands. Warren would come to the office with her own agenda on economic affairs — an agenda more aggressively liberal than Clinton’s, particularly when it comes to how the government should deal with Wall Street. Warren would also bring her own constituency, which could make her an unwanted headache for Clinton, who like all presidents would want a vice president who has no goal other than advancing the president’s goals.

Second, picking Warren would make for a historic all-female ticket, and that could be a risk. To be clear, it’s ludicrous that there should be something troubling to anyone about having two women running together. After all, we’ve had over a hundred all-male tickets in our history, and only two with one man and one woman. But there could well be some number of voters — how many is difficult to tell — who would vote for Clinton with a male running mate, but would find Clinton with a female running mate just too much to handle. It’s sexist, but Clinton is going to need the votes of people who have some sexism somewhere in their hearts, just like Barack Obama needed the votes of people with some racism somewhere in their hearts.

And Hillary Clinton is nothing if not a risk-averse politician. She’s been blessed with Donald Trump as an opponent, and she isn’t going to take any big chances between now and November that might complicate things.


Third, and probably most important, right now the governor of Massachusetts is a Republican, Charlie Baker. That means that if Warren stepped down to become vice president, Baker would appoint a temporary successor for her Senate seat. In other years this might have been a relatively minor consideration, but in 2016 it’s absolutely central to the fate of Clinton’s presidency.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/13/sorry-liberals-elizabeth-warren-isnt-going-to-be-hillary-clintons-running-mate/

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Sorry, liberals. Elizabeth Warren isn’t going to be Hillary Clinton’s running mate. (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
I bet Clinton puts her as czar to break up the banks. joshcryer May 2016 #1
She won't do that either. MA governor is a republican cali May 2016 #5
Republicans are against making banks more profitable? joshcryer May 2016 #8
No. He gets to appoint a republican if Warren is her VP pick and they win cali May 2016 #13
Clinton taking action to break up the banks?, hahahahahahah jack_krass May 2016 #36
And Probably The Most Valid Reason Is.... global1 May 2016 #2
Besides, Elizabeth doesn't share Hillary's warped Third Way values. I'd therefore be shocked if Hillary even considered Elizabeth for VP... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #16
Kennedy and Johnson hated each other MFM008 May 2016 #3
Hillary desperately needs and wants a democratic Senate cali May 2016 #6
Which is the only thing that impresses me about her rhetoric. joshcryer May 2016 #9
Clinton has a little problem with that; she has no coattails. Exilednight May 2016 #12
That's actually something that bothers me about her rhetoric... TCJ70 May 2016 #18
Yup. Without congress, we choose between a bold agenda that won't happen, or a timid one. thesquanderer May 2016 #34
She will probably get a Dem. Senate, and she will also probably waste the opportunity. Cal33 May 2016 #46
NEVER! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #17
Kennedy chose Johnson to appeal to the South where he was weak azurnoir May 2016 #24
I look for her to select Debbie Wasserman Shultz, they are two of a kind. B Calm May 2016 #4
Agree! Katashi_itto May 2016 #7
omg shanti May 2016 #45
Of course she isn't. Punkingal May 2016 #10
I wouldn't *want* her to run with Hillary! It would be too corrupting. reformist2 May 2016 #11
That last point is important.... We don't need another Scott Brown Armstead May 2016 #14
Don't blame her. Dawgs May 2016 #15
Hillary's veep is going to have to be a heavy hitter in the Democratic party. LuvLoogie May 2016 #19
Brown is simply too old. cali May 2016 #21
True. I still think he's a great executive, though. LuvLoogie May 2016 #23
Agreed cali May 2016 #27
Someone has to replace HRC after the FBI report comes out. Warren could reunite the Party leveymg May 2016 #20
I think you're probably right, but Waldman's column does not make it so. kstewart33 May 2016 #22
Stop calling hillary supporters liberals timmymoff May 2016 #25
Baloney. Codswallop. Nonsense. cali May 2016 #28
Yes I agree those are great descriptive terms for her candidacy and timmymoff May 2016 #29
Look, I am no supporter of Hillary's. But trump is unhinged batshit crazy. cali May 2016 #31
That in itself timmymoff May 2016 #33
No shit. Have you ever actually read any of my posts? cali May 2016 #35
I read them and responded timmymoff May 2016 #38
Then you damn well know I think she is far from liberal. cali May 2016 #39
I believe we are saying the same thing. timmymoff May 2016 #40
Bullshit. She was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress. redstateblues May 2016 #30
actually we do timmymoff May 2016 #32
Utter disgusting bullshit cali May 2016 #37
Clinton is a neoCon Ferd Berfel May 2016 #41
I wish the author was a member of DU so I could put him on ignore. corkhead May 2016 #26
I don't want EW as Hillary's running mate. We can't afford to lose Senators lunamagica May 2016 #42
Having a Republican in her Senate seat for 6 months Eric J in MN May 2016 #43
Most I've talked to, including here,... NCTraveler May 2016 #44

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
1. I bet Clinton puts her as czar to break up the banks.
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:14 AM
May 2016

Because Wall Street benefits when the banks are broken up. From Elizabeth Warren's own mouth.

global1

(25,253 posts)
2. And Probably The Most Valid Reason Is....
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:30 AM
May 2016

Hillary wouldn't share her presidency with another woman - particulary one that is even more popular and liked than Hillary herself.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
16. Besides, Elizabeth doesn't share Hillary's warped Third Way values. I'd therefore be shocked if Hillary even considered Elizabeth for VP...
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:39 AM
May 2016

I'd be even more shocked - and disappointed! - if Elizabeth accepted.

Not that it matters, since Bernie is going to take this thing.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
3. Kennedy and Johnson hated each other
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:32 AM
May 2016

but I seem to remember their presidential ticket.

NEVER SAY NEVER.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
9. Which is the only thing that impresses me about her rhetoric.
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:06 AM
May 2016

Everything else she says is uncontroversial, boring, and tepid to me. But when she talks about not being able to do anything without congress my eyebrow raises. Obama promised the world but never said "hey, I need the downticket." Clinton does the opposite, she'll say in an interview, "well I can't do much without congress."

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
18. That's actually something that bothers me about her rhetoric...
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:45 AM
May 2016

...she bludgeoned Sanders over the head constantly saying his agenda will never come about without congress (which is true) but that made it seem like hers would and no one challenged her on it. Meanwhile, in every singe appearance and speech he gave he mentioned needing to change congress to get anything passed. A complicit media let her get away with it.

Sanders is the only candidate this primary season who was asked "How?"

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
34. Yup. Without congress, we choose between a bold agenda that won't happen, or a timid one.
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

Bernie has made a much bigger point of "I can't do it alone" from the start, though.... and based on exhibited voter enthusiasm and an obvious desire to keep his base motivated, may have more luck turning his people out in a midterm, if he's in office.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
11. I wouldn't *want* her to run with Hillary! It would be too corrupting.
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:28 AM
May 2016

Lizzie needs to keep Hillary at arm's length. And I hope she has very, very long arms.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
19. Hillary's veep is going to have to be a heavy hitter in the Democratic party.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:00 AM
May 2016

Someone on Joe Biden's level. Jerry Brown would be my choice, if they could overcome their past differences--and if Jerry were 20 years younger. I could see a lot of creative tension between them.

Not a Castro, though. Neither has been elected to state-wide office, which I think is an important prerequisite.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
20. Someone has to replace HRC after the FBI report comes out. Warren could reunite the Party
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

I can't think of anyone else who might be able to do that.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
22. I think you're probably right, but Waldman's column does not make it so.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

No one knows if Hillary will make the offer or if Warren will accept. Let's see what happens.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
25. Stop calling hillary supporters liberals
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016

voting for her takes away that title. She is not a liberal and if you vote for her you vote for her policies which are not liberal. At least be honest .

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
29. Yes I agree those are great descriptive terms for her candidacy and
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016

her supporters that call themselves as liberals.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
33. That in itself
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:21 AM
May 2016

does not make Hillary liberal. I agree he's crazy but his craziness does not elevate her to liberal status.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
40. I believe we are saying the same thing.
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

I do not understand what you are riled about regarding me.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
30. Bullshit. She was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress.
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

Sorry -you and your Purity Partiers and Trump enablers don't get to decide who is liberal.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
32. actually we do
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

and when you factor in fracking, free trade, etc, I'd say we are more correct than you.. sorry friend. regime change has always been a liberal policy.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
41. Clinton is a neoCon
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

Liberal/Progressive and neoCon/Conservative are mutually exclusive ideologies.

You can't be both.



corkhead

(6,119 posts)
26. I wish the author was a member of DU so I could put him on ignore.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:55 AM
May 2016

I couldn't get past the condescension of the first 4 words. Since I doubt he is a member, I can tell him to kiss my ass.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
43. Having a Republican in her Senate seat for 6 months
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

....(until the voters of MA elect a Democrat) would be worth it to have Elizabeth Warren in the White House.

I want Warren as VP.

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