Hillary: "fused and fired by fever-ridden ambition and sense of pure entitlement. IT IS HER TURN"

[imagine2015]

Rex Murphy: Hillary Clinton’s long, tortured, road ahead
May 13, 2016

This time it is so different. This time Hillary may finally get the nomination — after a life in politics, cashing in on a generation or two of IOUs, deploying her army of gender warriors, leaning on her cohorts in the liberal press, dusting off Bill and sending him out to rouse or agitate the dwindling number of true believers. She has every possible means of campaign support, from the fear she inspires among her allies, to the Clinton hold on much of the party, to some of the most wicked campaign doctors in the business, all fused and fired by her own ardent, fever-ridden ambition and preternatural sense of pure entitlement. Remember: IT IS HER TURN.

(Bernie) is almost madly “out of joint” with the times and yet here he is, the Pied Piper of the iPhone millennial, revving them up by the thousands while Hillary can barely cart in a few hundred to her dreary, flat, contrived events.

In her dreams he’s The Monster from the Lagoon. However many times she outmanoeuvres him — losing a state but winning more delegates — he emerges wet and dazzled, yet more energized than before, pledging he’s in it for the win. And every time she mumbles his obituary, he stretches forth his arm, rouses his legions with another It’s all Rigged I Tell You stem-winder. He just won Indiana and West Virginia. He’s heading to a win in Oregon. Unthinkably, it is said he may win California. None of this was supposed to be.

He racks up majorities — she issues another alibi for why she lost. He stirs their hearts — she runs through another of her static, bloodless “look at the math” updates that wearies even that few who really want her to win. All the fire, all the belief, all the enthusiasm, all — curiously — the novelty and freshness is with white-haired Bernie. So if Hillary does win, if after a string of state losses, after a blundering, scandal-plagued, email-tormented, Benghazi-haunted campaign she limps, staggeringly and breathlessly, across the finish line ahead, where, really, is she?

The Democrats are playing against the laws of cause and effect. Hillary’s campaign is dead, and she’s winning. Bernie’s is alive, and he’s losing. How can such things be? Should she actually win the nomination, as all the journalists and pundits keep telling us she will and must, the Democratic party will have said “No!” to enthusiasm, inspiration and excitement. They will have said no to Bernie’s peoples’ campaign, and re-embraced the cynical, entitled, passionless politics of the Clinton machine.

This would be a curious strategy even in normal times. Up against Trump the Implacable it is wildly out of tune. Sanders has played fair. He has treated Hillary with respect, even deference. He threw out an assault on her outstanding weakness — the secret server and all its classified emails. He took, insofar as one can in this era, the high road. If she is still just barely winning, what hope can she really have when He Who Knows No Boundaries Whatsoever steps us to work his inexplicable magic?

Read the full article at:
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/rex-murphy-hillary-clintons-long-tortured-road-ahead

[randome]

1. Notice the quotes around something that only Clinton-Haters keep saying.

Pathetic, as usual. I guess talking about the issues is no longer an option.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[tk2kewl]

10. that made me LOL

[Logical]

64. LOL, another idiotic "clinton hater" comment which means "did not want hill as president"

[randome]

123. Since you insist on there being 'sides' to this, why can't you stop talking about Clinton?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[synergie]

160. Wait, there was a time when the BSers were interested in actual issues?

[randome]

165. So I've heard. Now it's all about Clinton.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Big Blue Marble]

2. These criticisms are grounded in sexism, pure and simple.

Every man who has ever sought the presidency of the United States is ambition-filled.
And most have a sense of entitlement. To make these charges against Hillary Clinton is to make an
outrageously sexist statement.

[JoePhilly]

3. + 1

[imagine2015]

7. Oh that's a old and worn out talking point.

"Every man who has ever sought the presidency of the United States is ambition-filled."

And rich white women are not immune to that. It can also afflict women. Take Hillary for example.

Any criticism of her policies and record of service to the white rich billionaire class is now called "sexism" just because she happens to be a women.

Did you also considered the liberal and left criticism of Margaret Thatcher to also be "outrageously sexist"?

[Armstead]

16. If it were Bernie vs. Carly Fiorina, I wonder who would be the preferred candidate?

Somehow I suspect at least half of the objections to "sexism" would be put away in the tool shed

[Big Blue Marble]

39. No, sexism is as serious as racism.

And is appropriately recognized in either party. I certainly saw sexism at play in the responses
to Florina.

[Armstead]

56. Think she'd be a good president?

There may have been sexism involved...but that's not the bigger question.

Do you agree with Fiorina's capabilities and policies, and do you thuink she has the personality to be a good president?

[Big Blue Marble]

67. Strange question to ask on a democratic forum.

That sexism is present is no surprise for either Clinton or Florina. Sexism is always present when women break glass
ceilings. It is what created the ceiling. It has to be challenged. Have no doubt that both Clinton and Florina have
experienced it throughout their careers. It is often effectively used to keep women in their "place" and must be resisted at every level.

The suffragette movement comes to mind. These women were publicly reviled at every turn.

Criticize Clinton for her policies not her ambition.

[Armstead]

115. There's ambition and there's ambition

Elizabeth Warren is ambitious. No problem with that. Donald Trump is ambitious. Big problem with that.

[Fairgo]

121. ???

Spotlighting monomania is now sexism...hmmm, I don't see it.

I am actually pleased that you and your ilk have ridden this meme into a stumbling mess. Feminism is actually a positive philosophy and force in the public discourse. The HRC warrior appropriation of the label has turned from cogent observation to lazy diatribe to ludicrous poo flinging. With this prima facie exposition of the latter, we can reclaim the critique and, if you are done, return to our work of saving civilisation.

[apcalc]

79. Not every woman is capable.....nor is every man.

But Hillary is.

[Baobab]

49. Its not worth arguing with those folks

Just let them be and don't engage with their gobbledegook.

Unless you enjoy putting money in their pockets.

[Big Blue Marble]

70. The gobbledegook is coming from the Sanders supporters.

You do him no good.

[Baobab]

73. No, Hillary is lying about her agenda- And about the past agreements she is bound by

Her much vaunted healthcare program was a diversion to distract the country from a little known deal that was irreversibly making public healthcare and education into a theft from corporations that had to be compensated for in advance.

Now what do you have to say to that?

She is a complete sham.

[Big Blue Marble]

77. i would say provide a link to this accusation.

And why would that prove her to be a "complete sham"?

[Big Blue Marble]

32. Of course she is ambitious.

Anyone who would seek the most powerful position in the world is ambitious including Sanders.
To seek leadership at any level is ambitious. It is a requirement of success. What seems natural in
men is so easily attacked in a woman.

[snowy owl]

87. Ambitious? His quiet victories as legislator wouldn't have been quiet. You are used to status quo.

You see the world through one lens and can't accept there are people out there who don't have to have to most money or be the biggest on the block. And when we find one, you put blinders on yourselves because you can't see the tree for the forest in this case. Look beyond what you expect and see the man. He is different and has been since getting into politics way back when he was getting arrested as a twenty-something.

Yours is a self-fulfilling prophesy. Keep the status quo if that's what you want, what you expect and what you're used to.

[pangaia]

135. Perfectly stated.

[Big Blue Marble]

151. He is were not ambitious, he would not be running.

Any one who runs for the presidency of the United States is by definition, ambitious.
And your denial means nothing.

You have no idea how I see the world. I imagine that I am far to to left of you and for much longer
than you have been. I am a pragmatist, not a Hillary bot. Sorry to confuse you.

[Baobab]

52. I was surprised to read the other day that Iron Lady Margaret Thatcher did not want the Berlin Wall

to come down!

Seriously. In private. This opinion was registered in the EU back channel debate on the day that it was being torn down by millions of Germans with their sledgehammers, rocks and their bare hands.

[BillZBubb]

78. A lot of people feared a re-unified Germany in the heart of Europe for some reason.

[snowy owl]

88. And Germany has become the leader of the EU. Merkel smarter than Thatcher by a country mile.

Thatcher limited in vision like Reagan and very conservative. Merkel lives by a Constitution that favors the common citizen. Merkel was a research scientist - very, very smart. But I don't like her policy on Greece.

[mythology]

104. But how often are men who seek the presidency called out for their ambition?

Cruz talks about spending hours praying and God telling him to run for president and I never see anybody calling him on his ambition. I see Sanders supporters who claim he's not running for president out of ambition.

Running for president requires a significant ego. To think that you are the best person out of the 300 million people in the country to lead it requires ambition and more than a bit of ego.

Of course the author has a blatant agenda talking about how Sanders racks up majorities (without noting that he has fewer delegates, fewer states won, fewer popular votes won and has won far more low turnout caucuses than he's won higher turnout primaries). So it's kind of hard to take the author seriously when it's clearly a propaganda piece for Sanders.

[Fawke Em]

8. Bullshit.

People aren't enthusiastic about her because she's a pro-corporate, status quo war hawk. It has nothing to do with her gender.

[Big Blue Marble]

35. Oh but it does.

And the cut that this article goes for, is weak and transparent.

[litlbilly]

63. You are wrong, it doesn not. If Elizabeth Warren were running, I would be out door to door for her.

Since she is not running, I am all in for Bernie. Very simple

[Big Blue Marble]

71. Your potential support of a Warren candidacy only proves that

you are comfortable seeing sexism as a weapon against someone you oppose, not someone you like.
You would probably be among the first to call out sexism when it would be used against Warren. I
repeat what I said to another in this thread: When you criticize a woman of either party for what
goes unnoticed or is expected in a man's behavior, it is sexism, pure and simple.

[BillZBubb]

80. What a load of horse pucky.

Your fanatical search for sexism leads you to claim that someone who would support a woman who's policies he supports just proves he's a sexist! Do you realize how foolish that is?

Does supporting Hillary lead people to leave their basic logic at the door? It sure seems that way.

[Big Blue Marble]

150. How foolish are you! N/T

[snowy owl]

89. Idiocy - "man" gender neutral in this case. Rex did not mean gender-specific. Distraction.

[Baobab]

84. Indeed. I would vote for Elizabeth Warren in a second. OTOH, Hillary is a bad choice- for many reaso

I think all Bernie supporters would have just as readily supported Warren. (but not as a VP to Hillary) . It's specifically Hillary - or even another pro-corporate- neoliberal like Obama- that is a nonstarter.

There are a number of black people of both sexes who I do think would be good Presidents.

I feel that race and gender really should not enter into a decision for something like that (except in some cases, perhaps positively)

Hillary's gender is a plus, but everything else is a minus.

[Armstead]

14. There's ambition and there's ambition...and there is also cause and effect

Sexism has nothing to do with it.

[Big Blue Marble]

38. It absolutely does have something to do with it.

Just as many attacks on Obama have to do with racism. The racists do not even recognize the core of their attacks;
the same is true of sexists.

[snowy owl]

90. of course . . . but not relevant to this article. You've taken it and made it a distraction.

[corkhead]

26. .

[tularetom]

28. I'll tell you what's sexist

Its sexist to assume that a political candidate can't be a corrupt, corporate, militaristic, hack just because said candidate has an innie instead of an outie.

If nominated, Clinton would be, without question, the most unappealing, most dishonest and weakest presidential candidate the Democrats have ever fielded.

And she'll be able to spend the rest of her life being remembered as the person who lost a presidential election to Donald Fucking Trump.

[Big Blue Marble]

44. Your comments merely reflect your total lack of awareness of this history of democratic candidates.

Perhaps you might spend less time on discussion forums and more time catching up on the history of this country.

[notadmblnd]

61. .....

[NCTraveler]

72. Can you show me where the argument you put forth...

In your first paragraph comes from? You have made a case against something I have never seen argued.

[bjo59]

31. That "sexism" rejoinder is so tired and so rote.

I know the strategy is to distract from what the article actually says and it's a strategy that does not work on people who are not already completely committed to Clinton.

[apcalc]

37. You think you are tired of it? Try living a lifetime with it.

We're not taking this crap anymore.

[pmorlan1]

45. I have

and this ain't it. Good grief. The only people who believe this nonsense are Hillary supporters. Stop with the Sexism ploy. It only serves to denigrate real calls about sexism.

[Big Blue Marble]

51. Denying it is sexism

does not make it not sexism. It is and many will fall prey to the siren call.
Any time a women is criticized for what goes unnoticed in a man's behavior, it is sexism,
pure and simple. Your Hillary hatred is apparent. Only a Hillary hater would call this nonsense
and a ploy.

[dana_b]

66. don't bother

these people are so wrapped up in her winning that they can't see what a horrible candidate and truthfully person she is. And you're right. They do a great disservice to real sexism.

"you're just a hater" - nope! I don't know her or even like her enough to hate her. To hate, you must care about someone first.
I just truly detest the actions that she takes.

[apcalc]

81. Yes that is it. You don't even recognize it.

[pmorlan1]

82. LOL

Yeah right. I've recognized sexism since the 1970s when I was a member of NOW. I also recognize when sexism is cynically used for political purposes. They may fool you but they don't fool me.

[snowy owl]

99. Maybe it's all you recognize? You are too wrapped up in a buzz word. Lazy. Try to look beyond...

If everything is boiled down to "sexism" or "racism" then the discussion is over. That's pretty easy for lazy brains.

[snowy owl]

103. If you've lived "lifetime" of it, then you have been using failed strategies. Look inward.

Perhaps it is time to stop blaming sexism and start looked at some different more effective strategies for success. Not saying there isn't sexism - I've experienced it - but I don't blame it for a lifetime of whatever because I've overcome it apparently. I hope you get some help. Sad to always blame sexism for failure. My friends and I are in many, many fields that used to be dominated by men. And I'm well over fifty.

[snowy owl]

86. But that's the problem, Bernie is not "ambition-filled" which is why he's been successful.

Squarely you've nailed the difference here but you come down on the side of the "ambition-filled" which is what totally amazes most of us who are rooting for the inspirational candidate.

[uponit7771]

157. he's losing

[cui bono]

147. Please stop making a mockery of feminism.

The fight for equality by women is a very real issue and every time you play the gender card when it is unwarranted just to exploit the issue of sexism to try to earn political points you make our fight much more difficult.

.

[basselope]

152. This exactly same complain has been leveled against MANY male candidates.

It was leveled against Romney, McCain, Kerry and many Clinton supporters leveled it against Obama in 2008 claiming he should "wait his turn" and complaining that he was spoiling the coronation and had no right as a first term senator.

[uponit7771]

158. Link and quote? tia

[basselope]

167. Google is your friend...

Here are some

Romney: It's "his turn"? Why?
http://www.renewamerica.com/analysis/vernon/111020


http://www.npr.org/sections/newsandviews/2007/12/andrew_young_obamas_time_will.html

Oprah talked about it

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-oprah-winfrey-show-and-obama-was-there-too-764120.html

"here are those who say that Barack Obama should wait his turn. There are those who say that he should take a gradual approach to presidential leadership"

Clinton even got more direct:

(CNN) — Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is planning to tell an Ohio audience tonight that the choice in the Democratic primary this year is between someone in the “speeches business” and someone in the “solutions business.” -


CHICAGO – As the Democratic presidential campaign has intensified in recent weeks, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her supporters have said that Senator Barack Obama has not crossed the “threshold” to serve as commander in chief.


It goes on and on and on. These same exact accusations of it being people's "turn" and people objecting and people saying other's should wait and people accusing one person of being too ambitious. Even Bernie was accused to being "too ambitious" http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sanders-my-ambition-makes-me-a-target/article/2581978 Trump accused Rubio of being too ambitious http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/23/politics/donald-trump-marco-rubio-south-carolina/

So please.. save the whining and crying about sexism for ACTUAL sexism instead of trying to find it.

[JoePhilly]

4. What a whiny article.

[mcar]

5. An ambitious woman!!11

Head for the hills!!!!

Can anyone seriously name me any politician who is not ambitious? Can anyone tell me why ambition is only a problem in women?

This whole line of attack is disgusting and sexist.

[snowy owl]

93. Bernie is not. Warren is not. Perhaps Merkley is not. HRC supporters used to corruption.

Bernie amendment king and idolized mayor of Burlington, Vt that nobody knew about. Warren's passion for corruption in finance roped her in. And Merkley's humility drove his decision to wait for his constituents to decide before SD decision. Three who are there for reasons other than ambition.

I don't think Clinton supporters understand there is a difference. You seem so habituated to the corruption.

[mcar]

108. Bernie and Warren are not ambitious?

[uponit7771]

159. Its like they live on another fucking planet

[Rilgin]

139. Ambition was a problem for Richard Nixon. Men certainly face criticism for being overly ambitious

Nixon was called Tricky Dick for a reason because he would do anything to further his ambitions. Its not the ambition part only, its the value of that ambition over every other value. it is the method of satisfying that ambition.

Nixon violated the constitution to satisfy his ambition. He certainly was criticized for lack of morals in pursuing his ambition over everything.

That is what people are pointing to in Hillary. She was not satisfied with getting rich before running. A good person would confront the decision she was making when she started taking huge amounts of money personally and from her foundation from institutions that she would be regulating. Good people recognize that ambition that trumps everything is bad. At that point, she was putting the democratic party and our futures at risk. Male politicians do that all the time, they drop out of races or do not enter it for the good of the country, their family, or their party rather than use power politics to satisfy their personal ambition over everything.

People who are critical of Hillary's ambition are also pointing to the fact that it causes her to say anything that anyone wants to hear. If she ever took a principle that was unpopular so that it worked against her ambition to obtain something it would fight that perception. However it never happens. Everything in her history reveals that from recent relevations of her public opposition to the Columbian Trade Deal followed by back room lobbying of congress for it. Ambition is fine if one does not sacrifice morals to obtain the ambition and is rarely criticized.

In business, males are criticized all the time for being too ambitious. Its not ambition in itself that is bad, it is how it manifests.

[uponit7771]

161. Link and quote? tia

[Rilgin]

162. Here you go, editorial discussing when ambition is too much using men

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/17/AR2007101702117.html

Examples used are all men discussing when ambition and the drive to win causes people to sacrifice other valuable ideals.

This was easy to find btw. I just googled "politician ambitious to a fault". If I spent more than 15 seconds I could find lots of others. In real life I have heard people dissing lots of men for their single minded ambition. It is not ambition alone that is the problem, it is ambition that causes you to lie, flip flop, or do any other manner of bad things to satisfy it. That is what people have a problem with Hillary and it is not unique to Hillary nor to her gender.

[uponit7771]

163. Then why is Hillary being extrapolated here vs the rest of people who did the same thing? Like

... making and issue out people who drive cars wanting to get somewhere.

The racist do the same thing with black on black crime stats

[Rilgin]

164. Not all ambitious people are ambitious to a fault

Not all people will say anything or do anything to win. People think Hillary is one of those people. Its not about her gender and its not about all politicians. It is about all politicians male and female who will say anything or do anything to win.

An example is 2008 candidate Hillary running against the Columbian Trade Deal while in private supporting it. However, there are many examples with her. Her story of snipers on the tarmac is seen as an example as someone who will say anything if it aids her even if not the truth.

People criticize lots of other politicians who have the same characteristics. It is not singling Hillary out for something all others do.

[BootinUp]

6. Unrec - for Must Stop that Woman fever syndrome. nt

[imagine2015]

13. Hillary has nothing in common with working class women of all races.

She clearly represents her corporate and Wall Street benefactors who are mainly men!

So let's hear it in defense of a rich white woman who was the Senator from Wall Street!

It's about class. And her class is winning against us.

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[BootinUp]

23. I suggest you seriously look at her voting record and history.

Start Here:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/bio/

[snowy owl]

100. So you go to her customized website for bio? Whoa! That's brilliant!

[KittyWampus]

9. She's an accomplished professional woman who has and IS working her ass off to get elected.

She is extremely intelligent and able to answer questions put forth by editorial boards and citizens at Town Hall venues.

To even come close to suggesting she simply thinks "it's her turn" and the nomination is her entitlement is DISGUSTINGLY SEXIST.

She shouldn't have ambition?

What about Sanders?

The man didn't have a steady job until he was 40+ years old. He plants himself in Congress with nothing of distinction to his credit and somehow HE is entitled to the nomination?

And he is somehow okay having that ambition?

Despite running such a crappy campaign that never changed direction and being so unprepared to answer real questions about his platform?

[liberal from boston]

62. Go Bernie

Suggest you click on link & read some (not all) of Senator Sanders accomplishments. FYI, Bernie was a Former professor of political science at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government and at Hamilton College

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/6/1428616/-Bernie-Sanders-What-the-Hell-Have-You-Done-for-Us-Lately

[notadmblnd]

68. Your comment proves the point that- the fact she is a woman has so far

not stopped her from accomplishing what she has set out to?

Yeah, she's such a victim of sexism alright

[snowy owl]

102. Former professor/amendment king/quiet victories? Clearly your worship idols. Easier than reading.

so many of you are uninformed and proven so by your own posts why why why why why do we elect Presidents that way?

[scscholar]

128. The turn argument is not sexist!

In 1996, it was Bob Dole's turn. That proves the sexist part wrong. Of course, we see how well that went.

[radical noodle]

11. Rex Murphy

Lover of Oil Sands and Oil Companies? Get real.

[sufrommich]

12. This guy is a climate change denier and shill for Canada's oil industry.

Strange bedfellows.

[imagine2015]

18. Not so strange "bedfellows". The Clintons and rich Republican donors to Hillary's campaign.

Why do you think Hillary is the favored candidate on Wall Street, in corporate America and among most rich Republicans against Bernie?

Because they just love the working class and want to see Hillary represent us?

Get real.

It's all about class.

[sufrommich]

24. Do you wonder why a shill for Canada's oil industry would offer

a negative opinion on Hillary Clinton? This guy is an old conservative white dude who frequently rails against "feminists going too far",foreigners coming into Canada and spoil sports who are ruining seal hunts. Like I said,strange bedfellows.

[larkrake]

65. Get real. she is in bed with oil-they made her

So many oil foundations donating to the foundation and getting gov contracts for their afforts. No, she is certainly pay-to-play, doesnt protect baby seals or the poor. She is Republican

[highprincipleswork]

15. Ambition is one thing. Ambition so that you will do anything to serve it is another. I don't think

that Bernie has that kind of ambition. And I'm glad for it.

[KoKo]

19. ....! And, when your husband is a former President Campaiging for you...

the Ambition is all Consuming.

[NewImproved Deal]

47. "Ambition should be made of sterner stuff."

Bernie's a real person...

[link:|

[riversedge]

54. He may not have when he started this campaign, but his ego is getting bigger every day as is his

ambition.

[highprincipleswork]

96. His mandate has gotten bigger. We want him to represent us, even if some of you don't. Tell me,

what is there in his Progressive call to arms that you don't like?

[snowy owl]

105. Empty reply which says nothing. Ambition/ego - "stupid" (see john oliver)

[riversedge]

106. So is your reply. bye

[Starry Messenger]

17. People get paid for writing this tripe?

I've read better prose in Cosmo.

[imagine2015]

20. I take it you're backing a big time loser against Trump. Hillary Clinton.

[Starry Messenger]

21. The one beating her opponent like a rented mule? Yes, I am.

[snowy owl]

112. "beating like rented mule" - I don't use such comparisons. I've become kinder than that. Brutality

Brutality to animals . . . that connotes an insensitivity that Bernie is trying to combat. Not for animals but for people. And animals as well I would bet.

[Starry Messenger]

113. Beating him with one hand tied behind her back.

There, your manufactured outrage can go take a nice nap now.

[snowy owl]

120. Much better. Thank you. We Sanders supporters are compassionate.

[Starry Messenger]

124. Uh-huh.

https://twitter.com/cmpreciado/status/731547437047775233

[cali]

27. I take it that you're a big fan of right wing memes.

[imagine2015]

36. You mean like right-wing corporatists funding Hillary? No I'm not.

However, even conservatives can once and a while make a serious point that is true. For example this one:

"Sanders has played fair. He has treated Hillary with respect, even deference. He threw out an assault on her outstanding weakness — the secret server and all its classified emails. He took, insofar as one can in this era, the high road. If she is still just barely winning, what hope can she really have when He Who Knows No Boundaries Whatsoever steps us to work his inexplicable magic?"

Do you take issue with this observation?

[grasswire]

48. I take it that poster is a big fan of hyperbole.

Beating Sanders like a rented mule??

Pfffffffffft.

She's running like hell and barely staying a step ahead.

[redstateblues]

34. Bernie is the loser by 3,000,000 votes. The people have spoken

[-none]

85. How many primaries has Bernie won since the 3,000,000 came out and it has not changed?

Wait till the election fraud law suits are settled and the convention is over, then we will see what that number really is.

[snowy owl]

109. 3,000,000 equals 1% of population. That's a big number - not.

[Beacool]

94. It sounds like you are the one backing a loser.

[snowy owl]

107. if you've seen better prose in Cosmo, you have little understanding of good writing

Rex Murphy was born and raised in St. John's, where he graduated from Memorial University. In 1968, Murphy, a Rhodes Scholar, went to Oxford University (along with former U.S. president Bill Clinton).

Back in Newfoundland, he was soon established as a quick-witted and accomplished writer, broadcaster and teacher.

Murphy's primary interest is in language and English literature, but he also has a strong link with politics. He is noted throughout Newfoundland for his biting comments on the political scene and his television tussles with prominent politicians, including premier Joey Smallwood, became required viewing for a huge audience.

Murphy gained an insider's view of the political scene when he worked as executive assistant to the leader of the Liberal Party of Newfoundland. To get an even closer taste of politics, Murphy ran twice for office in provincial elections and lost both times.

http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/about/correspondents/rexmurphy/

Start reading better writers and writing.

[Starry Messenger]

110. This article is an absolute dumpster fire of overly-ornamented prose.

If pretentious garbage is your thing, knock yourself out.

[snowy owl]

114. Me thinks you doth protest too much.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. No it ain't.

[cali]

25. Right wing dog shit. Fuck that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Post#2006_Iran_controversy

[Depaysement]

29. "Slouching towards (Washington) to cry havoc let slip the dogs of war"

Yates meets Shakes and thousands die.

[The Second Stone]

30. So, for the good of party unity, Clinton should withdraw?

I haven't heard her say Sanders should withdraw. I haven't said it. These fantasy attacks show an unhinged mind.

[imagine2015]

40. Does anyone disagree with this comment made by the articles writer? And if so, what?

"Sanders has played fair. He has treated Hillary with respect, even deference. He threw out an assault on her outstanding weakness — the secret server and all its classified emails. He took, insofar as one can in this era, the high road. If she is still just barely winning, what hope can she really have when He Who Knows No Boundaries Whatsoever steps us to work his inexplicable magic?"

OK Hillaryites, start pounding your keyboards in pretend rage!

[apcalc]

83. And she has treated him with kid gloves......

The R's would eat him alive....

[imagine2015]

95. That's not a response to the comment I posted by the author

[snowy owl]

117. Ditto. Good catch, Imagine. Always a distraction instead of reply.

[Whimsey]

141. Is this not inconsistent with his statement way back that

he was tired of the press obsession of her "damn e-mails"? If he thought it was not an issue back in January, why is he raising it as an issue now? Politics? Horrors!

[longship]

41. Prince Charles thinks that too.

Of course, in England the head of state is inherited "by bloodline" (and sometimes literally by blood). In the USA I believe that we fought a war to secure ourselves from bloodlines, or family dynasties.

Hillary Clinton has no more claim to the White House than Joe Bagofdoughnuts. And anybody who says otherwise isn't paying attention. Her sole root of experience is that her husband was POTUS. And yes, she had a little over a term in the US Senate, which she won by leveraging her relationship as a former White House resident. She became SOS by making a credible opposition to Barack Obama in 2008. However, if I were Barack, I would have kept her on a shorter leash because what she did, did not turn out so well.

Might as well nominate Joe Bagofdoughnuts, just like the GOP.

[snowy owl]

116. To me, she's an opportunist. She's had little legislative experience. Same with Obama.

Seems like more of an opportunist to me. Even her work with children has been denounced by some. I include Obama because he didn't know how to work with Congress. Took him a long time to learn.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

This is true — Clinton not only worked with Children’s Defense Fund (CDF), a non-profit advocacy organization that seeks to help American youth; she served as the head of its board.

Later in the debate — amid her hawkish rhetoric — Clinton twice more mentioned her work with CDF, wielding it as an example of her purportedly progressive policies.

The problem with Clinton’s claims, however, is that she betrayed children as First Lady. Under the guise of welfare reform, the Clinton administration worked with Republicans to gut social services, ignoring their own senior officials’ warnings that, by doing so, they would be plunging over a million children into poverty.

[longship]

122. Yup! That's part of it.

Unfortunately, there's more.

Maybe that's why she polls so badly against Drumpf, compared to Sanders.

Too bad for us all if she doesn't win in November.

[Whimsey]

142. So Barack is her lacky also?

Clearly you are not Obama, who valued her opinion even if he disagreed with it. That is what democracy is all about.

And I will debate the history of English inheritance anytime with you.

[grasswire]

42. don't miss the comments section

It will make you laugh and cry.

[NewImproved Deal]

43. Lord save us...

[link:|

[Whimsey]

46. California dreamin'

if you think Bernie does not have the level of ambition of Hillary. You just have to watch him in interviews to see how full he is of himself.

He has lost. And he would lose big time in the general once his lifestyle life choices were used against him. Don't be so naïve to understand how his choses will be spun.

He is the poster child of the well-educated college student who just could not figure out what to do with his life so he dabbled around, knowing it was not his fault he could not get hired at his well-paying "dream" job, it was the system's fault. The only reason he stays in the race is to spend out all the money he has raised on himself and his staff and so he does not have any left to actually support the democratic party.

Amazing that he ended up being a politician, with good job security, huge paid staff and upper 5% salary. Can't beat that! The Clintons became wealthy after Bill left office. The public will pay a fortune for speeches and books. Check out how much presidents have earned after their service ended.

I want to know why Bernie has not released his other tax returns. There is something in there that will undermine the story he is telling. He hit Hillary for her speeches to Wall Street, which were disclosed in her tax return. What will Bernie's disclose? Donations to organizations that he could be criticized for. That's what they are speculating on Trump. Why aren't his supporters calling for his disclosure?

[grasswire]

50. wow, you got in a lot of talking points for a noob.

Welcome to DU.

[BootinUp]

55. Bernie has been handled with kid gloves. Only the Bern Squad denies it. nt

[TDale313]

75. lol. Yeah, cause the Clinton camp has been holding back

What with the redbaiting and blanket accusations of sexism and racism for anyone not supporting Hillary. Cause if they could have wrapped it up months ago they wouldn't have. Right...

They've thrown everything they could at him. Smeared him, smeared his supporters. It hasn't worked. Attacks on Bernie backfire. People like him. More importantly they like his policies.

She'll probably win the nomination, but she's had to fight a lot harder than anyone expected. And in no friggin' way has Bernie been treated with kid gloves.

[BootinUp]

76. ok. lol.

[Whimsey]

125. Disagree

I know a lot of people who do not like him. Democrats all. Why did he run on the democratic ticket when he has never been a democrat. He is an opportunist. I posted before, Nader was a true believer in the corruption of money in politics. He preached getting corporations out of he system. That is why he ran as a third party candidate. I supported him three times, including against Obama because Obama was the first democrat to eschew federal matching funds. That is what the system needs, a condensed election cycle and severe limits on campaign spending. Everyone talks the talk until they are in office, but he was the only one who adhered to it while running.

I view Hillary as the ultimate outsider - her anatomy is against her. And I hope she will work hard to change the system, just as she tried to in 1994 with Hillarycare (which Sanders voted against because it was not pure enough for him). She has been out front fighting for everyone's rights longer than Sanders. If you actually listen to Bernie, his mantra is that economic equality will solve all other inequalities. That is easy for a white man to believe.

[imagine2015]

57. Campaign talking points repeated almost verbatim!

Well done!

Now would you like to share any original thoughts with us?

[Whimsey]

127. Really?

My thought are not my own?

Where are Sanders tax returns? BS supporters continue to make an issue of her speech payments, why are you not asking the same accountability of Sanders?

[dana_b]

69. what about the transcripts? She is a hypocrite x 1000

If you compare his hundred thousands to her hundreds of millions of dollars, then you are living in another world.

And he hasn't "lost" anything. Even if he doesn't become the nominee, he will have helped to create a movement that will go far beyong his candidacy. What has she created? Another few million for her friends in the lobbyist community? A reputation for being one of the biggest liars and deceivers in the political world?

He will be working with progressives to change the system - she'll either be indicted or under constant investigation for impeachment.

[Whimsey]

129. Still dreamin'

Good luck on the movement thing. I felt the same way about Eugene McCarthy, Anderson and Nader.

Why do you not look at her history and she what she has actually tried to do? Her history of trying to change the world is much more extensive than Bernie's, who primarily focused on his own path. Professional women in the 70's, 80's and 90's had a much more difficult road than men, and they still do today, although it is better. And look at how she was the first professional first lady, and the republicans spent most of their time vilifying her. Hillarycare, Foster suicide, Monica - because it was all her fault right? Just like the e-mail thing. Because no one in the state department, Bradley Manning, has ever compromised security. Government e-mail is not inherently more secure - just look at all the personal information hacked last year. They are made up issues by the republicans for election purposes. And you children are too busy on your computers to actually do research.

[dana_b]

140. "Because no one in the state department, Bradley Manning, has ever compromised security"

really? You use Chelsea Manning as your example? She's in prison!!! Maybe that's where Hillary should be? They could be cellmates and exchange ideas on National Security.

"Her history of trying to change the world is much more extensive than Bernie's, who primarily focused on his own path"

Again... really? "Change the world" - how? How has SHE changed the world? For the better? I don't think so.
Libya, Honduras, Iraq... not hte kind of changes that I want to see.

And no, he is not focusing "on his own path". He is doing all of this for us. He has no NEED to do this. He could retire onto his nice home in Vt. and play with his grandkids. But things have gotten so bad, and we progressives are not represented anymore, and so he decided to run for US. I am very thankful that he did. We haven't had a voice in politics for such a long time that we are amazed that someone like Bernie still exists.

[Whimsey]

143. BS

Have you looked at her history? I did not say she changed the world, I said she has tried to. Stupid girls who buy into the boys' view of the world will always be losers.

My daughter was on the frontline with Chelsea. I know way more about it than you do. Unless you are my daughter.

The world is not simplistic. And there are so many more sources of information than just the internet.

And Sanders is doing this for himself, and his wife is his driving force. I am about her age and I shudder everytime I listen to her speak. Talk about someone riding on her husband's coattails. And that is a really sexist perspective, but as a 60 year old attorney who has been in male dominated fields my whole life, I have that right.

[dana_b]

144. omg - really?! This post is one for the books. YOU and your daughter have rights and knoe EVERYTHING

but no one else does or has a right to speak?! " I know way more about it than you do." "as a 60 year old attorney who has been in male dominated fields my whole life, I have that right."

wow... you are so egotistical. You know NOTHING about me or others but evidently we should bow down to your all-knowingness. We have no rights to speak, only you because you evidently know everything.


"Stupid girls who buy into the boys' view of the world will always be losers. " - and who might these "stupid girls" be?? What a sexist thing to say.

[Whimsey]

145. I'm sorry

did I say no one else has the right to speak? So I speak from my experience and that has less value than your opinion?

Argue your positions if you are truly devoted to them. Do not blame me if you are unwilling to present a counterargument to mine. Age does give perspective, no matter what you may think.

I did buy into the boy's view. I thought they valued my intellect. It was not until I was married (and sexually unattractive to anyone except my husband) that I realized a lot of the boys' interest in me was as a sexual possibility. It will hit most women eventually.

Look at Trump. At least he is upfront about it. Enjoy it while you can.

Oh, and my daughter supports Bernie. And she was on the frontline with Chelsea. Literally. As a spokesperson. And he did release state department e-mails. My point was security, which is the issue you castigated Hillary for.

[BillZBubb]

91. Brought to you by the Brock PPP initiative!

[Whimsey]

130. Explain this to me

I have no idea what this means because I am too old to live my life online. Explain it to me.

[imagine2015]

53. Someday we'll have a progressive/liberal woman running for President. It might be Elizabeth Warren.

So do some Hillaryites hate her as much as they hate another true progressive, Bernie Sanders.

[Whimsey]

132. No history

Elizabeth Warren has no history. Five or six years in the Massachusetts spotlight is not history. You really need to define progressive for me. I always considered myself a social liberal and consider progressive a watered-down term. Explain the difference.

[Metric System]

59. I love how there's supposedly no enthusiasm for the candidate who has received more votes than all

the others. It's also pathetic that Sanders supporters have gone to international right-wing sources.

[Big Blue Marble]

74. It is more pathetic that such posts are allowed on this site. N/T

[imagine2015]

97. And who do you think is going to Republican donors for money? Clue. It isn't Sanders

[Whimsey]

133. I actually think they are coming to her.

Republicans are Americans too. I am married to one (although he claims he is an independent).

[snowy owl]

118. You deny he's become a rock start of sorts?Where are the 10s/1000s for HRC?Acceptance vs.Enthusiasm

Votes are easy: legacy, loyalty, name recognition, celebrity. But turnout for a real hero takes more. And would you deny many of these are independents? You want to show enthusiasm, get off your duffs and fill stadiums for her. There's a difference between enthusiasm and acceptance.

[Whimsey]

134. Independents?

How many are male? Males are the biggest group of independents. I learned long ago comfort in the locker room is the most important issue in voting.

[snowy owl]

153. Independents, tea-party republicans, and progressive dems. He attracts them all. He's a rock star!

Because they know their interests are similar. That's why he's a rock star.

[Metric System]

60. The liberal press? I can't imagine most Sanders supporters believe that.

[Beacool]

92. Utter rubbish.

Hard as it may be for some of you to understand, Hillary is winning because there are millions of people who like and support her. It has nothing to do with whose turn it is, it has to do with votes and she's getting more of those than Sanders.

I find it the height of sexism the accusation that has been thrown at her for years that she's ambitious and craves power, as if the other people who have run to be president did it out of a sense of self-sacrifice for the benefit of the nation. Of course every person who has run for president has been ambitious and wanted power. I guess it was OK for Obama to run when he had only been in the Senate for two years. I guess it's OK for an elderly socialist to decide to run as a Democrat. I guess it's bloody OK for any other male that has run in the past to be president, but it's not OK for Hillary.

Everybody else had only the country's welfare foremost in their minds, only wicked Hillary's motivations are brought into question.

Screw that!!!! Hillary WILL be the nominee. The rest is hogwash.

[Turin_C3PO]

131. This article's sexist as hell.

I don't mind legitimate policy differences being discussed. I'm a Bernie supporter unitil June 7th and I'm a Hillary supporter until the election (if that makes sense?? lol). But too many of the articles and opinions being posted here are either outright sexist or rightwing smears. Pathetic.

Now, for the record, there's some rightwing talk on the Clinton side also, when a few of y'all call Bernie a socialist who wants to support freeloaders, etc.

But there's way more Bernie supporters posting absolute bullshit. I can't wait till the primaries are over and everyone is working for the Dem nominee.

[Whimsey]

136. Well...

Bernie is a socialist and always has been as an adult. I do not criticize him for that. I believe in socialism as an economic system - but not as a political system. He believes in it as a political system.

A social democrat is one who believes in a capitalist system but wants its bad effects mitigated by legislation - safety net, progressive income taxes, etc. A democratic socialist believes in community ownership of assets/property with democratic voting by all determining how they are apportioned/used. I could support a social democrat, I will not support a democratic socialist. The terms mean different things.

[Beacool]

138. Thank you.

I'm beyond angry at the tone of the arguments used here against Hillary. This is supposed to be a Democratic site and every RW talking point and sexist crap has been thrown at her. There's post after post from RW leaning sites and from wacko conspiracy theorists from both the Left and the Right. I'm disgusted with GDP, and have been so for many months.

I called Sanders a socialist because that is how he describes himself. A "democratic socialist" who chose to run as a Democrat. I don't hate Sanders like a lot of folks seem to hate Hillary. I just don't want him to be the nominee and think that Hillary would be a more effective president, but the vitriol against her on this board is really over the top and not constructive or even objective.

I hope that GDP represents only a minority of Sanders' supporters and that we come together to defeat the real enemy: Trump and the Republicans. Putting aside political differences, I can't think of a less qualified person to have become the nominee of a major political party in modern times. The man would be a disaster to the nation.

[SidDithers]

98. Rex Murphy...

FFS.



Sid

[Thinkingabout]

101. Hell yes, it is her turn because We the people have spoken making it her turn.

Why would the turn be given to the candidate who has less votes and less delegates?

[snowy owl]

119. Nothing to do with turns/sexism. Sexism all you you got, you go with it. Better candidate=Sanders.

Sexism was a distraction at beginning of comments. Too bad people wave the sexist flag when they should be talking policies and issues. But if sexism is all you got, you go with it I guess.

[Lil Missy]

126. Besides being sexist, it's her turn because she EARNED MORE VOTES than BS did.

Bernie Lost. Time to move on with your life.

[pansypoo53219]

137. and her time to LOSE AGAINST A LOSER.

[JaneyVee]

146. HAHA THIS IS THE SADDEST BERNIEBRO TEMPER TANTRUM EVAH!!!

[Betty Karlson]

149. So many capitals, so little sense.

[snowy owl]

154. She tends toward sensationalism. Little reason but big emotion. Idolatry and loyalty.

[Betty Karlson]

148. Ditch the GE disaster that feels entitled to happen, already!

And tell it to take Debbie away on its way out. Third Way has shown itself to be a dead end.

[snowy owl]

155. Clinton will have to support centrist dems and centrist republicans to win 2020. Huge problem for us

I can see our nation going further right and it scares the hell out of me. Because for Clinton is all about winning. Screw social justice or disparity in wealth. She'll do anything to win. And she'll be forced to go centrist-right. We can not expect any movement left from Clinton.

[Betty Karlson]

156. With 70% of voters to her left. I'd say there is room for an alternative approach. eom

[seabeyond]

166. Clinton kicked ass. The winner.