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mia

(8,361 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:53 PM May 2016

Hillary Clinton "Isn't Even The Target" Of FBI Investigation, "Inquiry, Whatever I-Word You Want"

"...Asked about the revelation that a 'security inquiry' is exactly the same thing as an 'FBI investigation', Wasserman Schultz responds: "Secretary Clinton isn't even the target of this investigation/inquiry. Whatever I-word you want to use."

...WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: I’m only repeating what my understanding is. But beyond that this election will be decided by voters who make sure they have a president who has our backs and won’t take people’s healthcare away now that 20 million people have it who didn’t have it before. And won’t take us back to a time when another president plunged our economy of into the [worst] economy since the great depression.

HEMMER: In the 5 seconds I have left. Is she taking this FBI matter seriously, yes or no?

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: When you release 55,000 pages of emails and demonstrate the transparencies she has throughout this “i” word, most definitely, and that’s still not what the voters will be making this decision on when they decide who they are voting for for president.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/13/debbie_wasserman_schultz_hillary_clinton_isnt_even_the_target_of_fbi_investigation_inquiry_whatever_i-word.html

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Hillary Clinton "Isn't Even The Target" Of FBI Investigation, "Inquiry, Whatever I-Word You Want" (Original Post) mia May 2016 OP
Hillary only returned the emails after being asked multiple times. That's not transparency at all nt NWCorona May 2016 #1
It's a GOP witch hunt puffy socks May 2016 #7
Of course it's a witch hunt but unfortunately it's based on something this time. NWCorona May 2016 #8
But it is based on current knowledge of internet safety. The biggest mistake I see when people argue anotherproletariat May 2016 #16
In my condo association of 149 homes, apcalc May 2016 #29
It is a witch hunt, but also its true that Hillary screwed up. apnu May 2016 #19
please make this an OP DonCoquixote May 2016 #26
Correct that Record, mid-April team! arcane1 May 2016 #27
She didn't return them all either Time for change May 2016 #21
and not all of them. wendylaroux May 2016 #30
She can't even bring herself to say it. It's a frigging investigation DWS! Just say it and move on EndElectoral May 2016 #2
Debbie is all about the "I-words" JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #23
It's fun to watch them squirm in their attempt to pretend that this isn't serious. frylock May 2016 #31
Just because you're hyperventilating Arneoker May 2016 #36
Hyperventilating? I'm chillin like Bob Dylan. frylock May 2016 #41
You are mistaken. Neither Powell or Rice had IdaBriggs May 2016 #42
Corrupt official says what? whatchamacallit May 2016 #3
Exactly. BillZBubb May 2016 #9
It may be the hackers they are after, looks like they have at least one in custody. Thinkingabout May 2016 #4
Sure, that's why the FBI is questioning Hillary and her staffers! BillZBubb May 2016 #10
Yes, probably just the type of information which lead them to Romamia Thinkingabout May 2016 #13
Are you daft? BillZBubb May 2016 #15
They've worked so hard to ignore this that they have no idea what's going on. frylock May 2016 #32
And this is the person you want to listen to? highprincipleswork May 2016 #5
Like Bernie said,Much to do about nothing. Wellstone ruled May 2016 #6
Yeah, that small group of Rethugs-the FBI, are just keeping this alive! BillZBubb May 2016 #11
It is amazing the FBI is having to go to these lengths just to please the CT and RW bunch. Thinkingabout May 2016 #14
The FBI follows evidence of crimes, it doesn't do it to "please" anyone. BillZBubb May 2016 #17
And also in some cases to prove the lack of crime. Thinkingabout May 2016 #34
Stop spinning, you're already dizzy enough. You are looking silly. BillZBubb May 2016 #43
There seems to be those here who are more anxious to "indict" Hillary, Thinkingabout May 2016 #45
How about trying honesty for a change. You might feel better about yourself. BillZBubb May 2016 #46
I have not dismissed the investigation, I don't see an indictment coming out of Thinkingabout May 2016 #47
do you need an indictment to recognize terrible judgement? reddread May 2016 #48
And Powell never used a private server,but he used Wellstone ruled May 2016 #18
You make several terrible assumptions. BillZBubb May 2016 #20
Just watching how this plays out. Wellstone ruled May 2016 #24
That's not at all what Bernie said. winter is coming May 2016 #35
That's not what Bernie said. morningfog May 2016 #37
Not Hillary? Who then? Must be Bill it's their server and it was in their house. Gotta be one Autumn May 2016 #12
She's sounding like 'Baghdad Bob' Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #22
That's so true! A lot of Hillary apologists have the vibe. BillZBubb May 2016 #25
I wouldn't expect DWS to know this, unless SHE is the target. winter is coming May 2016 #28
Clinton and her campaign have called the probe a "security inquiry" Go Vols May 2016 #33
Let's take a step back from this, for a moment. winter is coming May 2016 #38
The Hillary spin will be she didn't "willfully" do it. BillZBubb May 2016 #44
Spin, woman who wants Hillary to win (and doesn't work IdaBriggs May 2016 #39
I heard this live... TipTok May 2016 #40

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
1. Hillary only returned the emails after being asked multiple times. That's not transparency at all nt
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
8. Of course it's a witch hunt but unfortunately it's based on something this time.
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

Also the links provided are almost a year old.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
16. But it is based on current knowledge of internet safety. The biggest mistake I see when people argue
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

about this topic is to neglect to acknowledge the evolution of the internet. Keep in mind that most people only started using email as a major source of communication in the early 2000s, maybe 15 year ago (if you were ahead of the curve). Heck, Facebook was started in 2004, and only opened up to non-edu addresses in late 2006, the same year Twitter started.

My mom is an actress, and she remembers that every production she was involved with always put out a cast contact list. She has shown me several that she kept from the early 2000s. Even in 2005, only about half of the people on her cast lists had an email address. (And she is from the San Francisco Bay Area, so not a technically deprived part of the world!) Today, with email addresses essentially universal, it is hard to imagine how far we have come in just a decade.

Even internet safety has evolved dramatically in the past few years. The whole Edward Snowden thing was only in 2013, and the Anonymous 'hacktivism' didn't start until the same year that Hillary set up her email server. It really was a different world as recently as 8 years ago. This has to be taken into consideration when examining this entire situation.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
19. It is a witch hunt, but also its true that Hillary screwed up.
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

NY Times reported on March 2nd 2015 that Hillary had used her private mail server exclusively to conduct state business.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0

That is a clear violation of the State Records acts, as well as established policies and procedures on multiple levels of Government.

Yes Powell and Rice did it too. Yes the Bush White House lost millions of official emails. Nobody's been brought to accountability for that, nor has anybody strengthened the regulations and enforcement of regulations. This includes the Obama Administration.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans have been able to flaunt the rules and regulations and that's a very big problem for government transparency.

Hillary had to be cajoled and shamed to turn over those emails, its preposterous that she and her staff could keep secret official State Department work from us the citizens.

Having said all that, this is absolutely a witch hunt by the Republicans, because while they chase Hillary around they ignore their own violations and people. Not one of them has come forward to take Bush, Cheney, Powell or Rice to task. We even have recent interviews with Powell and Rice saying they ignored the State Department servers, and they shrugged and said "so what?" So they've admitted guilt of these violations and yet they walk free and unaccountable for their conduct.

TL;DR version: Hillary screwed up, Republicans hypocritically go after her for it.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
26. please make this an OP
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

It was honest and clear, something much of the writing about this, DU or elsewhere, were not.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
21. She didn't return them all either
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

She withheld some, which she claimed were just "personal", which turned out later not to be the case.

Arneoker

(375 posts)
36. Just because you're hyperventilating
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

Doesn't mean I'm squirming. It only looks that way because your head is bouncing from one side to the other.

BTW, how serious was all of this for Colin Powell and Condi Rice? When do you expect them to be frog marched off to the slammer?

But do carry on with the really big issues!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
41. Hyperventilating? I'm chillin like Bob Dylan.
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

My candidate doesn't have an interview with the FBI that is pending.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
42. You are mistaken. Neither Powell or Rice had
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

private servers nor did they fail to report someone sending them NSA and CIA reports who had no clearance (among a host of other problems).

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
10. Sure, that's why the FBI is questioning Hillary and her staffers!
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

Hillary's team can help find hackers! They're all tech whizzes and coders! Yeah, that's the ticket.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
15. Are you daft?
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

What led them to Romania was Guccifer's disclosure of what he had found, not anyone else's input.

Hillary is being investigated for a crime or crimes. Get used to it.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Like Bernie said,Much to do about nothing.
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:08 PM
May 2016

Appears we have a small group of Rethugs keeping this alive for their own gains. Why would they not be investigating Collin Powell who used unprotected servers,something smells to high hell.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
11. Yeah, that small group of Rethugs-the FBI, are just keeping this alive!
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

Do some research and you can easily find out why Powell wasn't investigated. I'll give one easy hint: Powell didn't use a private server set up in his house.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
17. The FBI follows evidence of crimes, it doesn't do it to "please" anyone.
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

There is prima facie evidence, at minimum, that a crime or crimes occurred. And Hillary is a target of the investigation. Deal with it.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
43. Stop spinning, you're already dizzy enough. You are looking silly.
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

The FBI never sets out to prove the lack of a crime.

They only investigate if there is evidence that indicates a crime has been committed.

They may find the evidence is convincing and recommend indictment. They may find that what looked like evidence of a crime has a legal explanation or that there is insufficient evidence to recommend indictment.

You are so eager to make excuses for Hillary that you don't give a damn about any of this. That is pathetic.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
45. There seems to be those here who are more anxious to "indict" Hillary,
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:23 PM
May 2016

I am trying to soften the blow when this does not happen. Call it spinning, it is like the spinning happening against Hillary.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
46. How about trying honesty for a change. You might feel better about yourself.
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

I don't know whether Hillary gets indicted or not. None of us do. But to dismiss the investigation is both foolish and irresponsible. To play silly games about it is childish. That's not spin.

Whatever the outcome it needs to be decided BEFORE the nomination. If she were to be indicted after the nomination, trump is president, end of story. Neither of us want that.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
47. I have not dismissed the investigation, I don't see an indictment coming out of
Sat May 14, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

This, now honestly those wishing for an indictment are probably going to disappointed.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
48. do you need an indictment to recognize terrible judgement?
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

or, would even an indictment not permit such an admission?

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
18. And Powell never used a private server,but he used
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

another server which had zero protection. Okay,and I think the DOJ covered Clinton's behind when she went to a private server. If there was some really nasty crap buried on this server,it would have surfaced already. Clinton is a dummy,and when she set this up or whom ever set this up,had their bases covered. Clinton has been the insider choice of the Dem establishment since 2008 and one only has to look how D.C. works and as much as I would prefer Bernie,been working Campaigns since 1960,and in saying that,you know to read between the lines and look at where did that come from.

Clinton will survive,Wall Street and the Media are making their Margins of this at this time. Washington is a sieve and the Guy running the FBI is on his usually ego trip. And when the President says there is no there there,good enough.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
20. You make several terrible assumptions.
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

Particularly this: "If there was some really nasty crap buried on this server, it would have surfaced already".

How could it surface if the FBI only got a lot of information by restoring the server and getting backed up information off of a protected cloud site? Certainly foreign governments aren't going to volunteer what secrets they grabbed off the unprotected server. The hacker, Guccifer, did reveal a bit of classified info that was passed between Blumenthal and Hillary.

I think there is some really nasty crap on there and that is what the FBI is pursuing. There is no doubt they have something they believe indicates a crime or crimes were committed. Hence, the investigation.

I don't think Comey is on an ego trip, he is doing his job. I do think president Obama made a huge mistake when he commented on this, given he does not know what the FBI knows.

The fact that the FBI is interviewing Hillary after they have interviewed all the lower level people indicates she is a target. That's how cases are usually built, from the bottom up.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
24. Just watching how this plays out.
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

Understand your points. Inside the Beltway,folks live in a really Egotistic Elitist Bubble,and in that lies the real crux of anything Political.. Who do you believe,what is real and what is a planted accusation by someone with a Agenda.

Until Comey plays his hand,all bets are off the table.

As far as Obama 's statement,that in it's self was to help Clinton as a favor. Now we will have to just wait and see.

But hey,this debate as to what is going on is healthy to the National Debate,at least we are seeing people starting to pay attention and that is what counts. And our Country only gets better as a result. As Bernie often says,we have to wake up the nation so they pay attention to what is important.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
35. That's not at all what Bernie said.
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

Usually, the only part of his statement that gets repeated is that he was sick and tired of hearing about the damned emails. The rest of his statement makes it clear that he thought the email flap was drowning out the discussion of the issues he wanted to address.

Far from saying it was "much to do (sic) about nothing", Bernie made a noncommittal statement that it wasn't appropriate for him to comment on an ongoing FBI investigation.

Colin Powell didn't do all of his SoS business off the books, using private email. Hillary did. I'm not averse to having Powell's activity investigated, too, and perhaps it already has been.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
12. Not Hillary? Who then? Must be Bill it's their server and it was in their house. Gotta be one
Sat May 14, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

or the other.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
33. Clinton and her campaign have called the probe a "security inquiry"
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016
"I say what I have said now for many, many months: It's a security inquiry," she said on CBS May 8.

But on May 11, reporters met with FBI Director James Comey, and he said he is not familiar with the term "security inquiry." Instead, he said, "we're conducting an investigation. That's what we do."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/12/fbis-investigation-hillary-clintons-emails-recap/

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
38. Let's take a step back from this, for a moment.
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:00 PM
May 2016

If the RNC chair said something like "Trump isn't even the target of an FBI investigation", what would DU be saying?

We'd be saying both that Trump was likely the target, and that the GOP was in deep trouble. "X isn't the target" is the sort of last-ditch denial that gets made right before the shit hits the fan. It's a cousin to "I am not a crook".

I'm expecting a lot of "Well, Hillary might have done X, but that's not really illegal" arguments to be floated in the next week.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
44. The Hillary spin will be she didn't "willfully" do it.
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

That'll be the excuse and the way to get her a free pass.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
39. Spin, woman who wants Hillary to win (and doesn't work
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

for the FBI! Wishful thinking reported as anything else is very amusing.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
40. I heard this live...
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:06 PM
May 2016

... And laughed my ass off when DWS went into vapor lock when asked how she knows.

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