2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCamp Hillary is playing a dangerous game in Nevada just to avoid an embarrassing loss.
The strong-arming and essentially fraudulent tactics being used as we speak to prevent a Sanders win in Nevada, could end up being the last straw for Bernie supporters nationwide...
djean111
(14,255 posts)Illegitimate win, looks like to me. Not playing that game.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)At our County Convention 177 of Hillary's delegates failed to show. It could have cost Hillary the whole state of Iowa.
So, they kept us there, counting for 14 hours. The Hillary Chair was caught telling Bernie supporters to go home because they were no longer needed.
Bernie was winning at the first count. But after dirty tricks and 14 hours of challenging out credentials and counting and counting, we ended up losing people and Hillary won.
Hillary people counted and prolonged the day until they got the count they wanted.
This is systemic cheating by the Hillary camp, within the caucus system.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I am beginning to believe that Trump is a set up and his outrageous behavior is to further ensure a win in November for Hillary.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)There should be no expectation that the use of rules of order and charades posing as rules of order will end.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)all, they are right now trying to get one of their prominent politicians to start a 3rd Party. There
are no takers so far. Does this mean that the Republican Establishment are rebelling against
their masters (the Corporatists), while the Democratic Establishment is getting closer and
friendlier with them? Is the DNC taking the place of the RNC in the affections of the Corporatists?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Sexton reported that nearly 64 Bernie Sanders delegates to the state convention were excluded from the convention process. Sanders only had 33 fewer delegates than Clinton in attendance.
The credentials minority report is based on the challenge of 64 Sanders delegates. Contrary to the procedures and precedents set by the committee, nearly none of these 64 people were presented with the opportunity to be heard by the committee or to demonstrate that they are registered Democrats," Sexton said. "Without the opportunity to be heard, no delegate could be stricken. The actions of the credentials committee violates the spirit of the Nevada state delegate plan which encourages full participation in the democratic process, and it violates the spirit and values of our state and our nation."
The DNC committee member said the report would be submitted to the DNC.
The entire convention was plagued by problems as Sanders supporters decried various voice vote decision, the delegate counts, and booed Sen. Barbara Boxer.
Nevada's delegate process was thrown into chaos after Sanders supporters outnumbered Clinton supporters at the Clark County convention, allowing more of his delegates to attend the state convention.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279939-clinton-nets-two-delegates-at-raucous-nev-convention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1450614
And preceding that there was the rules change voice vote that required 2/3's to pass, but likely didn't even get a majority of the delegates.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos
reformist2
(9,841 posts)I think a lot of eyes were opened yesterday. The true face of the democratic elite was revealed, and it was horrific - the opposite of "democratic".
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)just because it her turn. When she looses to Drumpf she will try to blame Bernie and his supporters. But we will all loose for her amition and greed
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)[link:|
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)msongs
(67,420 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)you have tinder for a cleansing fire
AzDar
(14,023 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)All aboard!
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)The strong-arming and essentially fraudulent tactics being used to prevent a Clinton win in Nevada, could end up being the last straw for Clinton supporters nationwide...
frylock
(34,825 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And you're right.
riversedge
(70,244 posts)meeting by Bernie supports reflects your OP. Shameful. Nothing was fraudulent, you have NO proof, yet you post as if it was the truth.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I can see why you have posted the person you placed on your sig line....
grasswire
(50,130 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Apparently supporting Hillary means checking your hopes and dreams at the door
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)just to see what she can get away with.
riversedge
(70,244 posts)delegates they did not have to attend. Karma is wonderful. More Hillary delegates showed up today.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I'm sure there are more aesthetically pleasing images available of Clinton.
Just an opinion.
.99center
(1,237 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)It's hard to believe a Clinton supporter would create it. It's creepy.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)the Borg queen got her tentacles stuck in a tie dye machine.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)and Hillary sent out letters directing them to the wrong locationhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154049325642258&set=gm.251868991820755&type=3&theater
still_one
(92,233 posts)the others candidate should they become the nominee.
It isn't a bluff, just like for the last several months when some Sanders supporters on DU vowed they would NEVER vote for Hillary in the GE if she is the nominee, I did not view that as bluff, and vice versa
jfern
(5,204 posts)The only way she doesn't get away with this is if enough Bernie people don't vote for her in November.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Gothmog
(145,335 posts)It is the Sanders supporters who are not playing by the rules
reformist2
(9,841 posts)ide, and she went ahead and said the motion carried. Now we find out the delegate count is nearly tied, it's clear she had no leg to stand on by approving the rules without an actual vote.
Gothmog
(145,335 posts)Clinton won 20 delegates in the February causus and that is how many she has now. The rules never allowed sanders to steal delegates ftom Clinton. Clinton is playing by the rules.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Gothmog
(145,335 posts)It is sad that the Sanders followers failed to read the delegate selection plan
amborin
(16,631 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)What is this world coming too...the Bernie stolen delegates were retrieved...hehe.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Bernie Sanders voters clearly do not. The behavior disenfranchised real voters...many of whom were minority voters...this was disgusting on all levels...Bernie Sanders people talk about morality endlessly...too pure to vote for a corporatist but you didn't practice it in this instance.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)Time for a new Party.
Gothmog
(145,335 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)You did not win those delegate and don't deserve them...what about the voters...you all pulledl a Cruz and think you are so clever...steal Hillary delegates... and now you are mad...because she got them back. Do ever think about what you do...have ethics?
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Bernie people thinking they have a right to steal delegates are the ones committing fraud.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Let me just say that in past elections, this sort of thing never happened. Bernie's people sent fraudulent letters so they could steal the delegates as the Hillary people were given the wrong time. It doesn't matter how they did it...they disenfranchised Nevada voters many who are minority voters...disgusting and disgraceful...glad that in the end the Bernie people failed. We never had to worry about such things before...I consider that Bernie Sanders voters stealing delegates they did not earn was just plain wrong and anti-Democratic.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Do you suppose Bernie will go on Morning Joe and complain that the delegates he stole were stolen back from him? I see no respect for democracy or the vote in the Sanders campaign...he wants to overturn the entire primary.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)is definitely the end justifies the means kind of a candidate. I have come to dislike him. He is no Democrat and does not respect democracy...of course he is a socialist and I am beginning to think not the good kind.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)There is no embarrassing loss to avoid.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Really? More likely you looked for ways around the rules to take something you could not win...and now things are back to the way they should be. Hillary won the state and has the delegates.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)It was only a month or so ago when the Sanders Camp was positively giddy over overriding the Nevada caucus-goers voting preference, by snagging more delegates in the 2nd round via some Ted Cruze-esque manuver.
I haven't followed the news closely today, but it seems like there's a bit of comeuppance going on?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I realize the Sandernistas think they can bully their way into seizing delegates in any caucus, but she won that caucus, and throwing a tantrum about it won't change the outcome.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)UP SO LONG AS THEY VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!! Yeah, THAT was 'fair" too!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)...without claiming it was cheating. It's getting ridiculous. News flash: Bernie is gonna lose sometimes. In fact, he's gonna lose the nomination. It happens.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)At this point it would be fraud to try and turn those results into a Sanders win through tricks.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Then it is the Sanders camp. This must be Sanders camp at oligarchy, ruling by the few, now that will not happen.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)She got the greater number again for the delegates, now the Sanders camp wants to stop the results. BTW, it will only be one vote at the convention, you do know the delegates are pledged to vote the first time according to the primary results, dif you think there was going to be a second vote where delegates would switch?
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)You sent fraudulent letters and circumvented the rules to overturn, the vote. It was a sleazy thing to do and now you had the tables turned...good... the people of Nevada deserve better.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)you bernie supprters are always whinning....
annavictorious
(934 posts)is that Boxer and Reid are there to witness it. Poor Senator Sanders has lost control of his "supporters", and the party is done indulging the delusional.
kiva
(4,373 posts)in the Clark County delegation.
Their game is dangerous indeed. Having Barbara Boxer come to scold all of the Bernie supporters was stupid. Refusing to adopt Robert's Rules of Order rather than "Roberta's rules" was stupid, particularly when it was evident to everyone that 2/3 of the people present had voted for Robert's. Turning away delegate. Telling dozens of people who arrived late (did anyone mention that parking was almost impossible?) that they could only have guest passes, and couldn't vote was dangerous.
In short, most of the people sitting around me, in the Bernie side, plan to exercise our Nevada choice of 'none of the above' and the Nevada Democratic Committee is to blame for most of it.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)I have to think this was driven by the pride of the Hillary Camp. They were humiliated that their delegates didn't show up at the county conventions, and they simply couldn't deal with it. They should have taken the hit and move on. So stupid that they couldn't. And criminal, really.
They are lying and cheating their way to one more delegate.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)I want to see Sanders all red and mad carrying on about Hillary stealing the delegates he stole first.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)They really do believe "Who else you gonna vote for?" will work.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)[link:|
dana_b
(11,546 posts)"None of the above" - that's who
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Why do HRC people want it continued. She is part of it. All that legacy mired in corruption. Win at any cost. That's exactly why both right and left are sick of the establishment.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)I stole them first darn it!
JEB
(4,748 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)This is Bernie supporters attempting to subvert the result.
Can you imagine the screaming if Clinton tries the same thing?
What's ironic is that it's really just a couple delegates at stake here. Most of the delegates are already allocated.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)But instead, they opted for a Pyrrhic victory.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)I don't care if we piss off Bernie voters...if all they want to do is take votes they didn't earn.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Your candidate is going to lose the GE because of that attitude.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Because they know they can beat him. My candidate won a primary...yours did not. My candidate did not steal votes in Nevada she did not earn...disenfranchising real voters...but I guess the end justifies the mean with you guys...and you claim you are ethical? I don't see it.
Sejon
(109 posts)PCPrincess
(68 posts)I've been reading replies to many OP's over the last few days, and of all the people posting replies, none influenced me more than yours to finally hit the 'reply' button. Posts from supporters like yourself and others like you assuredly are ensuring there will be far less people willing to vote for Hillary if she is the chosen nominee. I'm floored by the mentality I'm seeing here. The maturity level is lower than that of high school kids in cliques who are bullying people to vote for the popular cheerleader OR ELSE. Somewhere in your gut, I know it is there, but somewhere down there, you know that the reason supporters of Mr. Sanders are defending him at all costs is because we truly know that he IS A PERSON of ETHICS AND INTEGRITY. There is no denying that truth. We are furious that we, as a nation can be so amazingly dedicated to ensuring our futures are less well-off. Just like many human beings eat to much, then feel guilty, drink too much knowing they will suffer a hangover, flirt with a co-worker even though they are married, spend money they don't have using credit cards, and join in mobs of people doing the wrong thing because it feels good to belong to something, it is apparent that they will continue to vote against our interest, the interest of our own families and communities, and the interests of this country. And, just like all those other things human beings do, they will all later regret it.
I won't be one of those people. I will not do something I know is wrong. I will be able to live with my decision. I will not regret my choice. The problem is that this time, the results of bad choices affect everyone. You will force us to regret choices that others made. We are tired of being forced to live with other's bad choices. Enough is enough.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)if you were lurking than you must see the filth that is posted by BSS and the constant blackmail ...I think many of them are Trump supporters. I also think we will have to manage without them regardless. They made that clear...thanks for posting to me ...on your first post.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Same attitude from party elites. It went very well. Perhaps you remember President Nixon
That was the end result
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Nixon won again in 72...he escalated the war, and I would bet more than a few of those protesting died in Vietnam.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And species extinction is the wicket here. And you blame the protesters as usual, instead of party. Elites that were wrong.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Some of the Bernie or bust type supporters are Trump people playing pretend on this forum...others are angry and bitter and can not accept that their candidate lost. Hillary won millions more votes. Also, overturning a primary, that you lost is not right...you should never have pulled a Cruze with this. You erased a loss...you flipped a caucus you lost by 5%. It is wrong. Also since many who were disenfranchised by you in April were minority voters, I have to wonder if this sort of behavior coupled with personal attacks by Bernie impugning Hillary may have lead to the huge New York loss and his inability to attract minority voters strongly. As for the constant threats from Bernie voters and blackmail attempts, I have always believed the price of your vote was Bernie as the nominee. I do not believe Bernie can win a general. There is a reason why the right wants him. Of course, it makes no difference if Bernie could win or not.We do not award the Democratic nomination based on polls. And Bernie is mathematically eliminated. Cherry picked polls will not impress anyone.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)They are for trump. Ah maturity
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)If I thought you were for Trump I would not respond...some on this board are for Trump though.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And prove that claim. The fact that some folks are not for HRC does not mean they are for trump. And in most of the US people voting for or against those two will not change the state outcome. Nor will voting third party. Those who actually understand US politics know Calufornia, for example, is going to go blue and Alabama Red. Serious. Both parties could run the Devil-Chtullu ticket and they would win in either of those two in the proper letter behind their name.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)a victory is a victory...and this one is particularly sweet given the unethical behavior exhibited by Bernie supporters at county where they disenfranchised the voters and overturned the Nevada caucus.
jfern
(5,204 posts)brooklynite
(94,602 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)would be stupid and unfair to the voters who voted for her and did not vote for Sanders. Why are you people afraid of democracy?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)At this convention today, they prevented over 60 Sanders voters from voting. Anyone who supports that as "poetic justice", well you probably can imagine what I think of people like that.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)The 60 'voters' showed up without credentials...addresses...some who could prove who they were ...were seated those who were not Democrats, and were not on any rolls were not seated. So that is not really true...and since Hillary won the state...I fail to see how Sanders thinks he is entitled to delegates.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)cover from the DNC machine and our right wing media, whose going to stop them?
Whimsey
(236 posts)Bernie supporters need to go vote for Trump. You keep threatening it. The democratic party will survive.
Sejon
(109 posts)There are just as many white female Bernie supporters.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)is when she gets her ass handed to her by a fascist oompa-loompa. I'm not sure if it's going to be more embarrassing for her, or for us, but it's really going to suck.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Whimsey
(236 posts)as a fascist oompa-loompa? I might agree, except I have a more benign view of the oompa loompas in the original Willy Wonka with Gene Wilder. Course I can see him as a Mike tee-vee. Is that your point?
lancer78
(1,495 posts)Sanders supporters did try to nullify the February primary results tonight by stuffing the convention.
demwing
(16,916 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)How can I ever vote for this person? How can anyone who values the democratic process? The hubris is so great, the arrogance so overwhelming that they don't even try to hide the cheating any more.
What are they thinking? Is maintaining their power and the power and ability to suck all the money they can out of this country for the rich and corporations so great that they choose to ignore how they are tearing the Party to shreds.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)undoubtedly await you.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)To work, then all we can say is:
VIVA LA REVOLUCION !!!!!!
Buns_of_Fire
(17,183 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)or respect--I have totally lost it for anyone who blindly supports these illegal tactics. These criminals must not be allowed to steal their way into public office.