Regarding the blow up at the democratic convention in Nevada:

[cali]

Slimy in your face chicanery. Every boo deserved. Never seen anything like it. The Democratic establishment is an embarrassment. Here's a comment:

Adrian Williams
At the convention now. It's been things like this every step of the way, both precinct level, county level, and now state level. It would be one thing to if we had any power to stop it as elected delegates, alternates and attendees. But this blatant, flagrant, unabashed and determined pro-Clinton fraud is too powerful. How do you try to expose fraud when it's not even being hidden?
51 minutes ago•1

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=kEsb9MftJC8

[Punkingal]

1. Democrats now act like Republicans.

It's shameful.

[cali]

2. I'm kinda in shock

[riversedge]

35. Here are some great pics to cheer you up...

Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 2h2 hours ago

Alternates at #NVStateConvention: Head to Concord A to become a delegate. Thanks for sticking with us!







Gabriella Cascone ‏@GBC_4_HRC 6h6 hours ago Paradise, NV

Lots of enthusiasm for @HillaryClinton at the state convention in Nevada today! @HillaryforNV #NV4HRC








Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 6h6 hours ago

"She's going to make history, she's going to win in Nevada." —@SenatorBoxer
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Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 6h6 hours ago

"I am so proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with Hillary Clinton." —@SenatorBoxer
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Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 6h6 hours ago

"Our country is at stake and Hillary Clinton has fought for us." -@SenatorBoxer
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Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 6h6 hours ago

"I grew up in Brooklyn, I am not afraid of bullies." -@SenatorBoxer #NVStateConvention
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Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 6h6 hours ago

Speaking now at the #NVStateConvention: Senator @BarbaraBoxer. #ImWithHer








Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 7h7 hours ago

Red, white, blue, and a whole lot of Hillary stickers. #NVConvention



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Taylor Behnke Peters
‏@ItsRadishTime

Our volunteers know how to make an entrance. #HillaryforNV #NVStateConvention

https://twitter.com/ItsRadishTime/status/731538882446024709






Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 7h7 hours ago

Early bird gets the worm (and the best seat in the house!) Mary and Otistine are front row at the #NVStateConvention


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Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 8h8 hours ago

This mother-daughter duo are at the #NVStateConvention because they believe in love, kindness, and Hillary.



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Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 8h8 hours ago

Questions about the #NVStateConvention? Volunteers like Terry and Judy are here to help.



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Sign game on point. 👌 #NVStateConvention




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Hillary for Nevada Retweeted
Cheska Mae Perez ‏@CheskaMaeP 10h10 hours ago

Guess who's fired up?! Our amazing @HillaryforNV phone bankers making calls at 7AM at the NV Dem State Conv.



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Hillary for Nevada Retweeted
Jorge Neri ‏@Jneri312 11h11 hours ago

.@HillaryforNV delegate Maria is ready to go for the @nvdems state convention #ImWithHer







Hillary for Nevada ‏@HillaryforNV 22h22 hours ago

This crew has been working hard to make sure Nevada delegates are ready for tomorrow's state convention 💪



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Waiting in line at the State Convention? Peyton is on sticker patrol!



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Jill and Lucy came all the way from Douglas County to support Hillary at the state convention!


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Delegates and alternates are lining up for the State Convention. Linda, Chris, and Na'kiya are ready!


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Hillary for Nevada Retweeted
Juany Torres ‏@juany5torres May 13

3 hrs before registration begins & our .@HillaryforNV delegates are all lined up for their credentials! #nvforhrc



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Megan Messerly ‏@meganmesserly 3h3 hours ago

Credentials report: 1,693 delegates for Clinton, 1,662 delegates for Sanders, and 4 uncommitted delegates. Now starts one hour realignment.
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Megan Messerly ‏@meganmesserly 4h4 hours ago

Group of Sanders supporters who were circulating the petitions says it's too late for their petitions, will just focus on rest of conv. now.
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Megan Messerly ‏@meganmesserly 4h4 hours ago

Vice chair Wicker says final credentials report almost complete, says it looks like all or most alternates will be able to be seated.






Megan Messerly ‏@meganmesserly 6h6 hours ago

.@ninaturner says if @BernieSanders was here he'd want everyone to remain "calm but committed" too.
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Megan Messerly ‏@meganmesserly 6h6 hours ago






Megan Messerly ‏@meganmesserly 6h6 hours ago

.@BarbaraBoxer calls @BernieSanders a friend, says that crowd is essentially booing him, then urges crowd to unite behind @HillaryClinton.
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Megan Messerly ‏@meganmesserly 6h6 hours ago

LIVE on #Periscope: Barbara Boxer addresses convention on behalf of Hillary Clinton




LIVE on #Periscope: Nina Turner on behalf of Bernie Sanders


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And the infantile behavior!!!


Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports 6h6 hours ago

They had to take Boxer off big screen because Bernie supporter blocking camera with sign. I kid you not.






Megan Messerly
‏@meganmesserly

Group of several dozen up here. One of the Bernie people shouted that vice chair Chris Wicker is a part of the mafia






..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Hortensis]

49. Thanks for the great views of the

convention, Riversedge. How exciting!

[riversedge]

58. Yes, I was glad I found them.

[puffy socks]

56. Great pics!

Thanks!

[Hoyt]

60. Thanks. So that's what OP is whining about.

Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 09:35 PM - Edit history (1)

[Tsiyu]

194. or this

&feature=youtu.be

[Henhouse]

195. Where are the young people?

For the most part, the Bernie supporters are 30 and 40 somethings and seniors......

[SusanCalvin]

254. The young people I know are 100% for Bernie.

But they don't seem to quite have the concept that it's not just voting.

[Fawke Em]

84. Why would seeing a bunch of working class people voting against their best interests

cheer anyone up?

Sad, really.

[silvershadow]

129. Word.

[Biaviians]

105. Thank you these pictures are hilarious

[SusanCalvin]

121. This is supposed to make me loathe Hillary less how?

Yes, I will hold my nose if I have to. Still hope I don't have to.

[silvershadow]

130. Amen to that one. nt

[SusanCalvin]

133. Really.

A lot of Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters both don't seem to have their eye on the goal.

[Vincardog]

249. The goal? IS that to make the government of by and for he people be elected BY the people?

[SusanCalvin]

250. Of course.

But I'm saying a lot of people here appear to be losing sight of that.

[Else You Are Mad]

231. All I see...

Are those that are mostly Baby Boomers that will not be able to keep control of the party for much longer -- especially when compared to the age of most Sanders Democrats. And, lest we forget, the Baby Boomers are the ones that ruined the economy for the Millennials and, in four years when more millennials are eligible to vote, expect these voters to be outnumbered by a large margin and there will be a shift in policy in the party. And, that will be for the better. I have been a registered Democrat since I was 18, and I cannot wait for this shift.

[riversedge]

243. I enjoyed seeing the delegates.

[SusanCalvin]

252. As a Boomer, I say, "GOOD!" nt

[cui bono]

245. Great outreach to Bernie supporters!

Arrogance and trolling OPs, that'll bring unity. When Bernie supporters leave the Dem Party should Hillary squeak out a win - by hook or by crook - I'm sure you will accept responsibility and not blame them for not wanting to unify with the likes of you.

Not that you care to take the time to watch, but here's what the OP is actually about:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1963752

.

[vintx]

43. I'm not.

I've seen shit like this up close and personal at the state level.

Last time it just put me off getting involved. This time it's mad me decide that, after 30 years, i need to change my registration to independent (or maybe green). I'm only staying a dem as long as Bernie is in it, then I'm officially done.

[jwirr]

101. There will be many others who feel this way. We need to

make sure if we move we move together so that we can build strength.

[silvershadow]

131. ^^This. But not until Bernie leaves the party. nt

[SusanCalvin]

135. Not this cycle, please. nt

[silvershadow]

136. Oh hell no. And I really don't think he will. nt

[SusanCalvin]

139. Me either, because he is an honorable, consistent person.

But I'm sad to say I think the planet's probably irretrievably cooked.

[SusanCalvin]

140. Speaking of cooking...

https://m.

[SusanCalvin]

147. Not to mention...

https://m.

[silvershadow]

141. That's already a given, I think. :/ nt

[rhett o rick]

248. I agree the planet is cooked. We can't go home. But we can fight until the last.

We can't leave the Democratic Party. There is a lot of wealth and infrastructure we'd be giving up. In addition, if we can't beat them in our own party, we certainly couldn't from outside alone. Also, if we allow the Big Money Lovin Bastards buy our Party leadership, what's to keep them from buying the leadership in a Third Party?

[SusanCalvin]

253. Exactly. It's our party. Let's take it back. nt

[jwirr]

215. I hope not because we need to learn from the t-baggers.

They took over a party instead of leave it. I would like nothing better than to take my party back from the DLC/Third Way.

[SusanCalvin]

255. Amen. nt

[jwirr]

213. Exactly.

[840high]

117. Same here.

[brush]

110. This is bullshit. I caucused in Vegas and Hillary supporters outnumbered Sanders' 2.5 to 1.

I was there.

Sanders' supporters don't want to deal with the truth. They lost Nevada now they even turned on Nina Turner by booiing her when she tried to calm them down.

[Hortensis]

163. NV popular vote went to Hillary. People should

remember and respect that. It helps explain what happens at these conventions.

I wish these unhappy Bernsters realized that insisting the party is corrupt every time a vote doesn't go his way is itself corrupt. Poor Turner, but she's supporting Bernie himself, so their behavior is probably just exasperating. They are not him.

[Turin_C3PO]

239. Here's my view...

I'm a Bernie and Clinton supporter, however Bernie has my vote June 7th because I like his big ideas. The fraud thing is mostly not true.

I think there WERE serious problems in Arizona and NYC. That said, Arizona hurt Democrats across the spectrum (not just Sanders voters) so that needs to be addressed before the Republicans can steal the election. NY just has shitty voter registration rules, plus some issues specifically in Brooklyn.

[still_one]

228. Thanks. It won't change anything here at DU, but at least it sets the

record straight

Hillary is ahead by a good margin based on proportional voting, and there is no advantage for her to do this. The only one who gains from these kind of disruptions are republicans, and the candidate losing in the primaries

[Rosa Luxemburg]

224. This needs to re-run

they have to do it correctly next time

[elleng]

4. Right,

we're no longer the 'good guys.'

[grasswire]

6. that is really beginning to hurt, isn't it?

We either have to purge the party, or start anew.

[elleng]

14. Yes, it is.

We need GUTS, but not a commodity that's easy to come by.

[Merryland]

106. If Bernie agreed to lead a new party

it would win.

[SusanCalvin]

127. I'm sorry to say I don't think so. Or at least I'm not currently willing to take the chance.

Plus I don't think Bernie would go back on his word. Unless he was convinced it was Armageddon. Hope we're not there yet.

[cui bono]

246. I tend to agree with your assessment.

[silvershadow]

132. ^^. nt

[Hortensis]

164. Grasswire, you want to PURGE the party?

In prep for a putsch of course. Um...just HOW are you going to manage that little thing? It'll have to be done state by state, of course, against either intense opposition or being ignored by the majority. Just curious.

[bunnies]

38. We are the lesser evil guys.

Makes ya proud. Doesn't it?

[elleng]

39. :sad:

[bunnies]

42. I've never felt so apathetic about an election.

I'm not even sure if my vote matters anyway.

[elleng]

45. Me too,

especially now we know both party 'establishments' play with vote rigging.

[SusanCalvin]

53. Good point. I'm going to cast mine just for drill.

I think the PTB will prefer Hillary, because Trump's a loose cannon and Hillary isn't.

[2banon]

70. Bingo. TPTB has their candidate and they can't bank on Trump

They're giving it to her, cuz she can be controlled. The only loose cannon is her husband, but it's a loose cannon they're intimately familiar with and figure they can manage much better than Trump. .

It occurred to me once that Trump might just be a "cut out" playing the opposition, The next thing I knew, I saw that idea articulated and posted here on DU. go figure!


Look, we knew what they'd be up to, right? So we press on. Do not give up on this struggle even though we're watching the predicted election fraud and corruption playing out right in front of us.

We just press on to the convention and beyond. Ok. ?

[SusanCalvin]

72. OK!

[Amaril]

223. Ok

[silvershadow]

134. Hillary's new slogan: "Oh, C'mon...I'm not *that bad" or

"Hey, at least I'm not Trump". Kind of numbs you after awhile.

[senz]

176. Still evil.

[Depaysement]

88. + 1

And we were. Once.

[LWolf]

209. At this point,

I'm not sure if we ever were, or if the blinders are simply being ripped off. Painfully.

While I've long known that there was at least some level of corruption at the top, I'm frankly shocked at this. It's open, it's blatant, and I feel like we're being pushed into a more radical revolution than many of us were thinking of, when we thought about changing the direction of the party and the nation.

We either let them get away with it, or we hold them publicly accountable. I, for one, am going with door # 2.

[elleng]

234. I'm for #2 too but

I recognize the huge degree of difficulty involved in doing so.

[Mnpaul]

16. Paul Weyrich?

[frylock]

23. Now?

A lot of us on the outside have known for a while.

[FreakinDJ]

102. Hillary's minions have no shame

[nolabels]

118. Like are you really telling us something we didn't already know?

If you notice most of them also never have much business around here other than being here just to try and bash Bernie.

It's easy to figure out the story line of who they really are after that

[Hortensis]

165. I'm a minion? You guys are disappointed,

but in this minion's mind that in no way excuses the habitual dishonesty and resentment at every single vote that doesn't go Bernie's way.

The people of Nevada chose Hillary at the polls, and guess what? In the end, the process worked. In spite of losing a bunch of delegates at an earlier convention, so that Bernie briefly took a delegate lead that negated the popular vote, that has been repaired and Hillary has a majority of delegates that is reasonably proportional to the popular vote.

Stop flaming that. It came out the way it should.

[nolabels]

172. Typical, and whats a matter, don't your other minion freinds give you good company?

To me it will be worth every penny times a hundred, to know you will only have yourself to thank in the end

[riversedge]

3. Get over the bitterness. Hillary delegates showed up and she won.

[reformist2]

17. More like Sanders delegates were shut out and/or unfairly disqualified. Rotten to the core.

[apcalc]

55. You never just lose do you...

It's always everyone else's fault....

[Adrahil]

64. Nope. If Bernie loses it's cheating.

Can you imagine the howling if Clinton supporters attempted to overturn the results of the actual caucus day?

Hypocrites.

[AgingAmerican]

98. It's on camera

[Adrahil]

107. So you're okay with attempting to subvert the result from Feb?

This seems to me to be the kind of gamesmanship the Berners are always complaining about... But I guess they are perfectly happy to do it if it benefits Bernie, right?

This primary cannot be over soon enough. AFIAC, theybshould give Bernie the what... 2 extra delegates he would win. He's going to lose the final pledge delegate count by well over 100.

Caucuses suck.

[SusanCalvin]

109. Nobody subverted or attempted to subvert anything.

Bernie's people showed up.

[Adrahil]

112. And now they lost at the state level.

Frankly, it doesn't matter what happens. If Bernie loses, the cry of "fraud!" Inevitibly will erupt form some segment of his supporters. It gets hard to take seriously.

[SusanCalvin]

116. If that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel.

Probably nothing I can say will change it.

But ignoring one motion and letting another be decided by a voice vote that was far from incontestible looked pretty shady to me.

[Fawke Em]

86. Except this time it was caught on camera.

[SusanCalvin]

126. Thank whatever deity you do or don't believe in. nt

[Henhouse]

93. +1

[brush]

166. You don't know what you're talking about. I caucused in Vegas and Hillary supporters outnumbered . .

Sanders supporters 2.5 to 1.

I was there. The Sanders people just don't want to face the truth, especially the ones from outside the state who weren't there and are going by reports from the spoiled sport Sanders supporters who seem to complain every time they lose an election.

I was there. Sanders lost Nevada. In caucuses all you have to do is look around the room and see who has the biggest crowd of supporters.

Now after saying that I say we get rid of the caucus and go to a primary and all this confusion and arguing won't happen.

[Electric Monk]

74. You repeatedly remind me of Bush* supporters circa Dec 2000, and not in a good way. nt

[senz]

177. Always. Always. Always.

[SusanCalvin]

138. From what I currently think I know,

Rules were bent for them and they "won."

[Hortensis]

170. Corruption is howled with every state Bernie loses,

and time after time the angry lies are seen to be wrong a couple days later, but that never stops this behavior. Bernsters never admit they were wrong, are never embarrassed or ashamed at their shabby technique, but just move on to the next chance to claim the system's corrupt.

I predict entirely safely: The very next time a majority votes for Bernie, if it happens, there will be no howls, no matter what sloppiness and irregularities might occur.

I predict entirely safely: The next time the majority votes for Hillary, the most filthy charges of corruption will be flamed at Hillary and the party and never, ever apologized for, only repeated.

It's like McCarthy's technique. Attack with lies, then as soon as truth starts surfacing, move on and start it all over again. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

Nobody who behaves this way are good guys.

[senz]

178. I guess the states that are conducting investigations

didn't check with you, Hortensis.

[Hortensis]

191. Most were closed, with results reported,

within days, and all found no basis for the Bernster lies and outrage that flamed here for days.

Which investigations in which states are you talking about that could have anything to do with the Clinton campaign?

[SusanCalvin]

203. Well, speaking just of the current topic,

I continue to think this is pretty blatant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511961872

[Hortensis]

204. Surely you're kidding? That silly post revealed

nothing but irresponsible bias, not an ounce of knowledge about the rules and process.

Tell you what, let's be responsible. Allegations have been made, investigations will follow. Let's wait to see what the investigation reveals happened here right in front of cameras and hundreds of observers.

Deja vu all over again would describe what I'm feeling about now, though.

[SusanCalvin]

205. Ignoring a motion and making a decision based on a voice vote that was far from conclusive?

That's what I saw.

[Hortensis]

207. The normal GD-P pattern is ignorance of the rules of

procedure and misunderstanding of what is happening leading to outraged claims of corruption by and/or on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

None of the investigations so far have for these enraged slanderers yet, which is a mercy to non-indulgers in some ways because they're promptly dropped, only mentioned again by the truly clueless, instead of providing months of material for GD-P to rage over between primaries.

Btw, has it occurred to you that, since Hillary essentially has the nomination sewed up and a handful of Nevada delegates would make no difference at all, there would be NO REASON to corrupt the process and every reason not to?

But who knows? Certainly not either of us, which is why I say let's wait and see.

[uponit7771]

154. Sounds like the same with her voters too

[eridani]

167. Wrong. They showed up and were allowed in

Sanders delegates showed up and were not allowed in.

[Skwmom]

5. Ever hear the old saying the tone is set at the top? It is true.

[grasswire]

9. yep

They study at the feet of David Brock, Sid Vicious, and Hillary herself --- snide, bitter, hectoring authoritarians.

[RazBerryBeret]

12. or a fish rots from the head down... n/t

[KittyWampus]

15. Yes, it explains Sanders supporters perfectly.

[yourpaljoey]

20. Did you just say, "I know you are but what am I?"

Cool.

[uponit7771]

155. +1

[Sejon]

197. Do you live in Ohio?

[Henhouse]

7. Interesting...10 Weird Cat Behaviors Explained...thanks for the link..n/t

[TwilightZone]

103. lol

Best laugh I had all day (your response, though the link is funny, too).

Thanks.

[Hortensis]

171. That was fun, and a nice antidote. Thanks.

I never knew why I always had to have a cat's butt in my face before she or he'd invariably settle down facing me. Next time I will say hello back, or perhaps Hello, Butt.

[CentralMass]

8. The stench of corruption is overpowering. The party will get what it deserves in November.

[apcalc]

57. Corruption my arse

You lost fair and square

[Ed Suspicious]

153. Get your fucking eyes checked.

[brush]

168. Did you caucus in Nevada? I did. Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders' 2.5 to 1

This whole bunch of sour grapes post are bullshit.

Sanders lost Nevada.

[Hortensis]

182. Right. Sanders lost the popular vote.

That should be the bottom line for anyone who respects democracy. It would have been very unfortunate if the winner of the popular vote was not also the winner in the delegate allocation.

[snort]

211. 2.5 to 1? Wowsers.

That means given the count that its really Hillary that got screwed. You guys should be pissed.

[brush]

218. We won. That's what's important. Leave the sour grapes to the other side.

[snort]

219. So you're figuring what happened there is going to stand?

Good luck with that.

[brush]

220. I live in Vegas. It's done.

Let it go already. She won the state. Sanders' supporters even turned on Nina Turner who tried to calm them down.

How did they think he was going to win at the convention when he lost at the caucuses?

Crazy.

[snort]

221. I didn't know you lived there.

That makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. Let it go? Not a chance.

[vintx]

232. When did they turn on Nina? Please provide evidence.

Because the evidence I see says otherwise:

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/731834306989981698

[brush]

235. An earlier report says they booed when she tried to calm down the protestors

I read later that she said they were not booing her but the process.

[vintx]

236. A report? From where? nt

[RazBerryBeret]

10. we can look forward to more shenanigans come November

and all these supporters who are telling us to get over it, move along, stop whining... Better be prepared to deal with it...

[SusanCalvin]

30. Thank you for the summary. nt

[Uncle Joe]

40. Thanks for the summary, RazBerryBeret.

[vintx]

46. Thank you.

Sad how willing Hillary's fans are to cheat and lie for her

[scscholar]

54. The Sanders supporters did this to themselves

They screamed during both parts of the voice vote. That's not how you do it.

[SusanCalvin]

68. No. You don't assess the result by voice vote if the result is not obvious. nt

[George II]

247. Have you ever been a delegate to a convention?

[Merryland]

128. thanks very much for explaining. n/t

[snort]

216. Thanks!

[nenagh]

237. Thank you for the explanation of the chicanery...

[seabeyond]

11. There cheering from the bullshit in the last NV convention. Lying about not having to show. Now,

you all are pissed? What a fuckin' hoot.

[RichVRichV]

114. Prove it.

Prove that Bernie Sanders, his campaign, or his supporters lied about not having to show to the previous convention.


The only person lying here is you because it never happened.

[seabeyond]

124. They lied.

The activity at the Clark county convention will take on different meanings depending on whether you are a supporter of Independent Senator Bernie Sanders or his opponent, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. It looks as though the chaos of April 2 can be divided into three main areas:

1. Sanders’ supporters prepared and coordinated a strategy for acquiring more delegates through a Reddit group.

2. Some members of the Clark County Democratic Party, apparent supporters of Sanders, were involved in this pre-planning.

3. A memo and email were sent to delegates which provided misinformation, and resulted in fewer Clinton delegates in attendance.

There was scant media coverage of the events other than an announcement that Sanders had “won” additional delegates. A newspaper also reported that Clinton’s legal team had filed a complaint regarding the something, though that is still not a fully developed news item.

Kramer admitted to sending out email but presented her activity as the tireless work of a volunteer who was “not part of the establishment,” a description associated with Bernie Sanders.

*

As the series of tweets indicate, delegates for Clinton accused Kramer and others of “rigging” the convention, blocking Clinton delegates from entering and refusing to recognize them for an official objection on the floor of the convention.

Other tweets showed the Bernie Sanders website and its detailed call to action, along with correct information regarding delegate attendance. A digital “invite” sent by Kramer stated that delegates did not need to show up. It is this crucial piece of misinformation that led to a higher attendance of Bernie supporters and the change in delegate count, which favored Sanders.

The juxtaposition between Kramer’s email and the call to action on the Sanders’ website support Clinton’s case:

1. The Sanders’ campaign had the correct instructions regarding attendance of delegates.

2. The Sanders’ campaign was planning to mass individuals to take the place of any no-show Clinton delegates.

https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/04/05/what-happened-at-the-clark-county-convention/

Always lying then blaming the opponent.

[Hortensis]

185. ALWAYS lying, then blaming the opponent.

Thanks for the post, Seabeyond.

You know, I came to DU to get away from the constant lies of the far-right tea partiers, the constant hypocrisy, the constant hostility, the constant attacks, and especially the constant self deception that somehow they are the only good people (!) and their opponents all bad.

It's been an education learning about their left-wing twins here on DU. Given their take-over of GD-P, I can only assume that Bernie's liberal supporters who haven't been seduced down the dark rabbit hole of radical behavior have been mostly staying far away.

[RichVRichV]

200. And yet it has already been disproven.

Here is the rules that that email pertains to:

a) Exact registration times shall be set by each county’s respective convention committee. However, each convention committee shall be directed to open in-person registration for no less than three (3) hours between 4:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. on Friday, April 1st; and no less than two (2) hours prior to the convention’s call to order, while remaining open until 12:00 p.m. Where practicable, the Nevada State Democratic Party encourages county parties to use online pre-registration beginning up to 30 days prior to the county convention date. However, the use of online pre-registration does not exempt or mitigate the requirements for in-person registration set forth here.

f) Delegates to county conventions shall be considered to have aligned with a preference group when they are registered for the convention. A delegate shall be required to designate his or her preference group at the time of registration. A delegate who refuses to designate a preference group shall be registered by the Credentials Committee as uncommitted.

That is directly from the Nevada Democratic Delegate Selection Plan, pages 8 and 9.

Hillary didn't lose Clark county because her delegates were lied to and didn't show up to the convention. She lost it because too many of her delegates didn't bother to register at all! The alternates were seated because there were not enough registrations (from Friday or Saturday) to fill all the spots. Even Bernie's registrations rates were down for the convention, just not as bad as hers. Unlike the round one caucuses, the convention count for presidential preference were done via registration forms, not hand counts.



And finally if Christine Kramar was such a lying cheating person, why did even the Hillary supporters on the credentials committee join her in the protest when she was ousted? Because it was a partisan move by the Hillary campaign to gain an upper hand and completely against the rules as outlined. it had nothing whatsoever to do with cheating.

[Buddyblazon]

222. Rich...

I've noticed this morning that you're the last reply in a number of sub-threads. The other posters....poof....disappeared. Lol

I'm impressed with your ability to end a discussion. 👍

[RichVRichV]

198. Keep buying your biased bubble.

Here's an alternate side to the story. I doubt you'll be able to read it as it doesn't say what you want.

A couple points:

1) Kramar wasn't removed over any email sent to delegates. The Hillary campaign claimed she passed a confidential email to the Bernie campaign. The claim was ridiculous on it's premise. As part of the credential committee she was required to share all information with all parties. You all keep conflating the two sets of emails. How can you argue anything when you don't even know the reasons behind the whole story?

2) I'd like you to step outside your bias for one minute and apply a little critical thinking. If Kramar cheated so badly then why did the two Hillary supporters on the credential committee back her when she was ousted? You can't answer that because the moment you do your whole bubble comes crashing down.

[SidDithers]

13. Harken back to April 3 & 4...

and all the threads cheering about Bernie "winning" Nevada, because his delegates showed up, but Hillary's didn't.

What goes around, comes around.

Sid

[reformist2]

19. They were there - they weren't counted.

[CoffeeCat]

50. Clearly the Sanders people won that voice vote

So that's cheating. The Hillary person cheated when she called the vote for Hillary when Bernie won the voice vote. Hillary Chair broke the rules.

When Clinton's Nevada delegates didn't show in the first iteration, that was not cheating on the part of Sanders and his supporters. It was Hillary's delegates who failed to show up.

Be proud. Her delegates were lazy in the first phase and her people cheated like a bunch of scummy shitbags in the second phase. Such class.

There was cheating in the first delegation of our Iowa caucus too. Sleazy Clinton supporters freaked out when 177 of her delegates were no-shows. They kept us there counting for 14 hours. The Hillary people challenged our credentials and it took 2 and a half hours for each Bernie delegate to be individually scrutinized by a Hillary supporter. The head of the Bernie delegation caught the Hillary chair telling Bernie delegates that they were free to leave. We lost many delegates due to that. Bernie was ahead by 14 at the first count. After they tricked our people into leaving and many others left after 14 hours, Clinton ended up winning in the end. They fucked with us until they got the count they wanted.

Here's video of the Bernie Chair discussing how the Clinton dirty tricks.
https://m.

[Demsrule86]

241. Did the non-residents

they shipped from California help? No matter how you put this...fact is Hillary won the state...all the rest is just your attempt to steal the state for Bernie...you were stopped cold and behaved badly...probably lost California last night.

[JoePhilly]

229. +1

[aspirant]

18. From these ashes of disgust and deceit

will emerge a new way.

[SusanCalvin]

143. Hope so. If the planet ain't already cooked. nt

[Trajan]

21. They are going to destroy the Democratic Party

I won't tolerate such a fraudulent, dishonest party ...

I won't be part of it ...

I swear ... There may be a new party emerging from this mess ... A new beginning ...

Enough IS enough!

[casperthegm]

94. You know what they'll say to that?

I've said the same thing before. Many times I've gotten the smug, arrogant response; go ahead, start your own party. They truly don't think we can get it done; after all we are just naive Bernie supporters who believe in fairy tales. Man, I'd love to prove them wrong, wouldn't you?

[SusanCalvin]

111. Yes.

Probably not this cycle, but I hope for change.

[Trajan]

149. If Bernie ran in a three way race ....

He would crush those other two, I believe ....

It would certainly upset the apple cart, eh? ...

The disgust these two 'front runners' engender could peel away significant numbers from the established parties ... Bernie happens to enjoy huge support from Independents, who happen to exceed both parties in the pure numbers ....

The DNC Goose is cooked ... This dishonesty is ugly, and this life long Democrat won't stand for it ...

[SusanCalvin]

158. I think maybe. But I'm not currently willing to take the chance. nt

[Trajan]

159. The only chance to save your vote

I'm just posing this as a hypothetical ...

In the end it will be Bernie's choice, and only after he knows he has the support of a plurality of the electorate, disregarding party lines ...

When I mentioned he has massive support with independents, I failed to mention that he also enjoys support from a large segment of Democrats, like myself ... Like you ... Like tens of millions of us ...

With a large slice of the Democrats, and a huge segment of independent voters, Bernie's slice of the electoral pie could wind up the largest slice at the end of election day ...

There is a calculus to these hypotheticals ... He won't do it if he didn't think he would win ..

If he doesn't, then we are stuck looking at our broken relationship with an amoral party leadership, wondering where we go next ...

[Hortensis]

186. What I don't understand is why you think Sanders and

his people, both his insiders and "people" exemplified on this forum, are more moral when they are constantly behaving in such profoundly immoral, amoral, and anti-democratic ways. You're running with people who have proven they'll do anything to win, lie, cheat, steal, toss democracy itself under the bus.

And you talk about others being amoral? You think it would somehow be different if these people, who not only cannot get along with others but have no interest in working and cooperating with others, got into power? We'd only have another set of problems.

I believe they would be far worse. We all want corruption cleaned up, but how would people who are so righteous that they recognize no limits on their own behaviors and literally transform their own crimes into virtue in their own minds, especially including their attacks on anyone who might get in their way, be able to do that?

Give me scoundrels who know they are lying, cheating, stealing, slandering, subverting democracy over zealots who do not any day. The former are far less frightening to me.

[annavictorious]

22. Sanders supporters gamed the county conventions

and bragged about it. What did they think was going to happen today?

[w4rma]

24. "Showing up to vote" is "gaming the vote" according to Stalinist Clintonites.

"The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do."

[reformist2]

25. They thought they would be allowed to vote according to the rules. They were denied that right.

[annavictorious]

37. Which rule was violated?

What right were they denied?

The county convention results were non-binding. Sanders supporters gamed the wrong tier.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NV-D

[uponit7771]

157. The ones the Podium Bird setup which = If Sanders doesn't win then the rules were broken

[Ed Suspicious]

27. Are you out of your mind?

[SusanCalvin]

31. Gamed? That's not the way I heard it. nt

[haikugal]

33. Link? I didn't hear about that and I'd like a link please.

[CoffeeCat]

51. The Sanders supports never gamed the county!

Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 10:24 PM - Edit history (1)

The Sanders supporters showed up! Clinton supporters didn't!

Hundreds of Clinton supporters were no shows.

Do you Hillary supporters get off on re-writing history and telling tall tales?

[timmymoff]

59. Maybe it was all the sniper fire they took?

[CoffeeCat]

62. Probably! ...Nimrods! (Nt)

[timmymoff]

66. Off topic but i really enjoyed you covering of the iowa caucuses

I am in Illinois but attended the Jefferson-Jackson dinner. Did you happen to attend. Even at that event security turned people away I witnessed it but had no charge on my phone to film it. Basically sent about 250 Bernie supporters away. I'm not with her.

[JEB]

97. The need to "cut it out".

[JoePhilly]

210. + 1

[frylock]

26. Well, it was a good run, folks.

The great experiment is dead.

[SusanCalvin]

113. I hope not.

We've come back from the dead before.

[PFunk1]

28. (sigh) with crap like this I'm almost sure we've be hearing President Trump in Nov

Nice way of uniting an already fractured party folks-NOT! (While taking our democracy along with it)

[SusanCalvin]

119. We're supposed to ignore obvious irregularities in the name of party unity?

Please.

[Amaril]

225. This isn't the party.....

....I've been a member of for over 30 years.

I actually read today that if Sanders were to get the nomination he would be "stealing it from POC and women". POC and women are both very important legs of this party, but since when are they part & parcel (and I say this AS a woman)?

I've read sneering condemnation of the Sanders' delegates in Nevada that tried to stand up for the rights of ALL of the voters in Nevada.

No. Just no. My Democratic party is a big tent that values ALL people and has worked tirelessly to make sure that EVERYone's voice is heard. I don't even recognize WHAT this is, and y'all are welcome to it.

[vintx]

233. +1 to everything you just said.

I've spent 30 years supporting this party with $$$, votes and time.

No more.

[Amaril]

238. Same here

I've donated when I really didn't have the money to give, phone banked, canvassed and even attended the State convention as a delegate.

Campaigns are rough. I've had to summon every bit of grace & dignity I possess at times not to throw a double bird in someone's direction, but I have never seen the likes of this season, and I never want to again.

[cantbeserious]

29. The 1% Have Purchased Democracy - This Is The Result

eom

[vintx]

47. +1

[SusanCalvin]

120. That's about the size of it. nt

[haikugal]

32. And they have the nerve to call this bullshit democracy! Corrupt to the core. A criminal cabal.

[kiva]

34. It's ugly.

Barbara Boxer threw gas on the fire.

[SusanCalvin]

122. Teh stupid, that's what really annoys me.

This is supposed to attract Bernie people how?

[joshcryer]

36. But caucases are harder to cheat!

[WolverineDG]

41. One of my FB friends is there & has been reporting BS tactics all day long

starting with the refusal to seat 200 Bernie delegates.

Then calling a 4 yay, 2 nay, 2 abstention vote a "tie," which on a re-vote was a 4 yay, 3 nay, 1 abstention vote, so "Nay" carries.

But I am not surprised. The Clintonistas want to win & don't care if they have to steal the vote to do it.

[SusanCalvin]

48. Thanks for the report.

From what I've seen/heard here so far, they seem kinda desperate. If she's such a shoo-in, that shouldn't be necessary.....

[WolverineDG]

52. Exactly

That or she's such a narcissist, she can't handle the fact that anyone would dare to say "No" to her.

[yourpaljoey]

63. I doesn't add up... does it.

Even for the Over the Hill Gang this kind of blatant cheating
seems surprising.

[reformist2]

67. They shut out just enough Bernie delegates to let Hillary win. Rotten to the core.

[WolverineDG]

69. what a surprise

not

More & more I'm inclined to sit this one out & just show up to vote on Day 1 of early voting.

[SusanCalvin]

76. I'm currently inclined (if Hillary is the nominee)

to limit my participation to just voting. Would be the first time since 1992.

[WolverineDG]

77. Me too

no donations, no sign, no bumper stickers, no GOTV (except for down ballot races)

[SusanCalvin]

81. Oh, down ballot, absolutely!

And they say Bernie doesn't help down ballot candidates! ;->

(Canova's already got a bunch of my money.)

[still_one]

142. A fair number of alledged Sanders supporters on DU have already been declaring months ago that if

Clinton was the nominee they would never vote for her in the GE. There was no "inclined about it"

So in my view I suspect there will be the same number of Clinton supporters as there are Sanders supporters who will be inclined if their candidate is NOT the nominee to limit their participation.

[SusanCalvin]

144. Mkay. So...? nt

[still_one]

146. I don't think there is anything anyone can say or do to change anyone's opinion who is so inclined

Just a personal opinion from what I have observed.

and it will apply to those from both sides.

[SusanCalvin]

148. Oh, I think there are cases where opinions can be changed.

Probably not yours or mine in this case, but life is so peculiar.... ;->


https://m.

[still_one]

160. Thanks. The video made me smile

[SusanCalvin]

199. My mind is a Magic 8-Ball of music.... ;->

[Hortensis]

188. WHY did they refuse to seat 200 "delegates"?

[WolverineDG]

201. Because Hillary would have lost delegates.

it's all about winning at any cost for that group.

[Hortensis]

202. I'm sorry, I guess I meant using what rule?

What was the supposed problem with the 200 delegates? Did they supposedly all leave their wallets at home that day? Did they show up to fill vacancies that didn't occur?

There has to be a reason claimed, valid or not.

[WolverineDG]

206. apparently, their voter registrations mysteriously changed to Republican

funny how that seems to happen.

[Hortensis]

208. I did read that one person in another state had that

happen and thought that might have happened to 64 in Nevada. ??

[jillan]

44. Cali - link not working. When I click on it, it takes me to YouTube home page.

I'd love to watch it.

Thanx

[Agony]

80. here you go

https://m.

you have to delete the ?#/ out of the middle of it.

[Lizzie Poppet]

61. When the system is so corrupt that people stop believing in it...

...then the people take steps outside the system to redress that problem. Those steps are never pleasant for anyone.

Is that what the powers-that-be (in the party and elsewhere) really want?

[yourpaljoey]

65. I believe they underestimate the power of the Sanders wave

We have been sleeping for a long time. No more.

[Lizzie Poppet]

71. We have to stay the course.

Not just with Bernie, to the convention, but until the people have a genuine voice in their own governance again.

[yourpaljoey]

73. Agreed. Time to cross the Rubicon, cast the die, hang together.

There is much to be done.

[lumberjack_jeff]

82. Mario was right.

[SusanCalvin]

125. Yep.

We are human beings. I really don't want to throw my body on the gears, but if I feel I have no choice...

[GoneFishin]

75. The fish rotting from the head down, right before our eyes. They cheat so often it's SOP for them.

They're a disgrace and an embarrassment.

[Hortensis]

189. Bernsters cheat so often it's SOP for them.

And that's the truth that has developed all through this election season.

In order to be the good guys, you have to be the good guys. And you're just not. Not so far, anyway.

Belief that one's righteous cause excuses all behaviors has caused many to head down some very dark roads.

[snort]

217. Quack quack quack

[Agony]

78. ...

Cyan Eyed9 minutes ago (edited)
+Will McGraw TLDR:They didn't think they'd be called out and hope the MSM will bury it for them. - Longer explanation of what happened, why it happened, how they think they'll get away with it, etc below...

Calling a voice vote on an arbitrary rule change to abolish the 2nd tier before many delegates had even been credentialed (with many of Bernie's delegates queued up outside waiting for theirs), then totally disregarding a point of order (due to many delegates not being present) was the start of Hillary's side rigging this... why do this, why alienate Sanders supporters?... Well, it's simple... they don't want a repeat of what just happened in Washington State where Hillary lost 49 delegates due to the 2nd tier so they've been trying to steamroll this rule into place and carry on as if they haven't just screwed people over.

I don't think they were expecting the dissent, the video recordings and the bad PR from it and I guess now they're hoping the complicit media will just roll out the headlines about "violent Sanders supporters" that "booed at women", etc. loudly enough to distract people from understanding the undemocratic attempt to sabotage the process by Hillary's minions becoming well known.

[SusanCalvin]

83. ^THIS^

[WolverineDG]

87. Oh, they can always trot Dolores Huerta back out

& have her go on about something else she made up out of whole cloth.

[casperthegm]

95. Can a HRC supporter offer a justification for this?

This is clear and blatant. This is not just angry Bernie supporters upset because Bernie isn't winning. I'm curious to hear how a HRC supporter thinks this is ok. Anyone?

[SusanCalvin]

150. Thank you. nt

[senz]

181. Oh they love it. Cheat a little, get the others upset -- it's "fun"

Just a fun game for them. Makes them feel smug and superior.

[Waiting For Everyman]

174. They're going to have a problem squelching Nina Turner's voice.

I understand she was there. So their media steamroll might not go as planned.

[NewImproved Deal]

79. And why was Barbara Boxer invited to speak? She is not only a longstanding Clinton Machine hack...

She is a Clinton in-law. Boxer's daughter Nichole is married to Hillary's brother, Tony Rodham...

[link:|

[SusanCalvin]

85. Yep. nt

[TwilightZone]

104. They've been divorced for 15 years.

Why do you keep posting this? It makes you look completely clueless.

[SusanCalvin]

108. Mkay. Boxer is

Still a Clinton supporter not even from Nevada.

[pansypoo53219]

89. we need to prune away the dead wood.

[Babel_17]

90. Yeah, that's how you run a party!

[Binkie The Clown]

91. I'm old enough to remember when America was a democracy.

Now it's nothing more than a puppet of the corporate masters and their minions in both parties.

[SusanCalvin]

151. We were only ever sorta a democracy.

But we have been a lot closer.

[Dragonfli]

92. .

[NewImproved Deal]

179. The Clinton Machine is the new Tammany...

[link:|

[JEB]

96. realpolitik. Kissingeresque. Rovian.

[pa28]

99. Stole it in broad daylight. More fictional democracy in the Democratic establishment.

[dana_b]

100. disgusting, blatant and truly repressive

done. Anyone who supports this shit is a repressive, anti democratic POS.

[reformist2]

123. And now it's coming out that they prevented over 60 Sanders delegates from voting today.

And lookie, lookie, Hillary ended up with just 30 more delegates than Bernie. Isn't that so lucky!

They may have saved themselves the embarrassment of losing Nevada, but they may have lost the election with this stunt they pulled.

[pmorlan1]

137. Pyrrhic Victory

They may have won the battle and lost the war. Not a good move.

[senz]

184. Yep. I think they may have just lost the election.

[Hortensis]

187. Not yet it hasn't. This'll be found to be false

almost certainly, the way all the usual Bernster allegations of party and Clinton corruption have been so far. That's the pattern, and honest people would wait for the investigation and report of what actually happened. Btw, 8 Hillary supporters had the same thing happen to them.

As for "losing Nevada," the people of Nevada chose Hillary. Hillary won the popular vote. It would have been wrong if Bernie's faction had succeeded in manipulating the conventions to overset the popular vote.

The people won in Nevada. Democracy won in Nevada. Be happy for that.

[lancer78]

115. Maybe if people were

not pushing Walter Mondale version 2.0, maybe people wouldn't be so passionate about opposing her.

[SusanCalvin]

156. I'm not passionate about opposing her.

I'm too old and tired for that.

I am as interesting as I have energy for in opposing the corporatocracy.

[silvershadow]

145. Bonnie and Clyde's Great Coast to Coast Delegate Robbery is

now underway out in the open, with cameras around and everything.

[grasswire]

152. Is there no remedy for what happened in NV today?

A court challenge or something?

On one video I heard a man saying that he was told that the campaign was sending in lawyers.

[HughLefty1]

161. Shameful

I have no words except that I'm not really shocked. Sadly I've come to expect this type of behavior from the DNC.

[Tarc]

162. Hillary won 52% of the Nevada vote, thus secures more pledged delegates

That's the be all and end all of the matter.

[joshcryer]

169. The boos were not deserved. They did not have 2/3rds of the vote.

It was by the book plain and simple.

[Hortensis]

190. "It was by the book plain and simple."

Nice to have that noted, for this particular point anyway.

[bvf]

173. The only thing missing

was a guest appearance by James Baker.

[Waiting For Everyman]

175. He's busy picking her cabinet and VP.

Ditto for the nasty little "K" (Kissinger), the humanoid pimple.

[senz]

180. They need us more than we need them.

Do not ever forget this, because it is true.

[Amimnoch]

183. At least they got to make this request in English only, right?

Seemed to be kind of important to a number of people in Nevada.

[bjo59]

192. Already many, many comments on the Nevada Democratic Party Facebook page excoriating

Roberta Gustave Lange and the Democratic establishment in general.

[cui bono]

193. k n r

[PowerToThePeople]

196. The Democratic Party is corrupt

We need a good old fashion purging. Possibly some tar and feathering involved. Maybe guillotines.

[Demsrule86]

242. Sanders

supporters are corrupt...never did I think to see Democrats acting like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz supporters attempting to overturn a primary and take votes they could not win. Calling Sen. Boxer a bitch and screaming at her is awful...and will essentially cause Bernie to lose in California.

[CobaltBlue]

257. PowerToThePeople—Absolutely. And this exposure was overdue.

[LWolf]

212. I've

always thought there was clear corruption within the establishment. Power attracts corruption.

I'm shocked, though, at how widespread, how deeply embedded, and how blatant that corruption has become.

Is there a legal avenue to pursue? If not, what's next?

I'm interested in hearing more from you about this. I've agreed and disagreed with you for years. We've had common goals and ideals, and different ideas about how to achieve them. Frankly, I'm shocked, awed, and enraged enough that I don't know that I can make a sound, sensible choice at this point. My first instinct is to...well, let's just say that my first instinct doesn't line up with what's allowed on this site.

What do you think? What's next?

[asuhornets]

214. Plz..Sanders loss the first time..Now he loss by an even greater margin..His supporters

should have left well enough alone...Boo Hoo Hoo

[Jester Messiah]

226. In days gone by, the tar and feathers would be in play by now.

We could learn a lot from history.

[Straw Man]

227. I'm getting a "Chicago 68" vibe ...

... more and more every day.

I'm also reminded of a comedy bit from the early '90s -- might have been SNL, but not sure.

NEWSCASTER: "News flash: Communism collapses. Full story at 11:00. In a related story, capitalism collapses."

The conventions should be interesting.

[Buns_of_Fire]

240. ...interesting in kind of a slow-down-to-look-at-the-pileup sort of way.

Unmovable object, meet irresistible force.

...something is happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mister Jones? ~Bob Dylan

[Demsrule86]

244. You know in 68 we were engaged in a war

Young men were being sent to their deaths...mostly poor young men who could not go to college...not what is going on today...when their guy loses a primary and Sanders people carry on...68 was not about a candidate...Sanders supporters merely acting badly.

[Straw Man]

256. And now we're not?

You know in 68 we were engaged in a war

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/afghanistan-general-john-campbell/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/world/asia/us-troops-helmand-province-afghanistan.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/03/21/the-u-s-military-has-a-lot-more-people-in-iraq-than-it-has-been-saying/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/25/politics/general-us-troops-iraq/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/us-troops-are-back-in-restive-afghan-province-a-year-after-withdrawal/2016/04/07/d3c6086a-fc19-11e5-813a-90ab563f0dde_story.html

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-01-29/us-commandos-expand-anti-isis-war-into-libya

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/world/africa/us-and-allies-said-to-plan-military-action-on-isis-in-libya.html?_r=0

Young men were being sent to their deaths...mostly poor young men who could not go to college...not what is going on today...

Really? Who do you think is fighting those actions referenced above?

...68 was not about a candidate...

There are strong parallels between the McCarthy/Humphrey rivalry in '68 and Sanders/Clinton today, absent the McGovern late-game spoiler element.

...Sanders supporters merely acting badly.

As was said about McCarthy supporters in '68.

[jack_krass]

230. "Its her turn", "shes next" have been the operating

Presumptions among the party insiders, paid operatives, and unpaid "fans" since late 2008. No other outcome were even imagined.

But they were expecting pushovers for opposition, not a true Democrat like Bernie Sanders who would capture peoples imagination. Phenomina like Az shows how crooked and preordained this thing is

[RandySF]

251. Wait, did I hear correctly?

The disqualified Bernie delegates changed their party registration after the caucuses? What did they expect would happen?