2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCharles Pierce has something to say to Sanders supporters after the Nevada debacle ...
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First of all, who elects anybody with a system that apparently was designed at a marmoset technical college? This sounds like something Kim Jong-Il would have thought up on the golf course between his 11th and 12th holes-in-one.
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That being said, this whole mess was over four freaking delegates, and the Sanders people should know better than to conclude what has been a brilliant and important campaign by turning it into an extended temper tantrum.
I voted for Bernie Sanders. I even wrote about why I did here at this very shebeen. But if anybody thinks that, somehow, he is having the nomination "stolen" from him, they are idiots.
And, no, I don't want to talk about it.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a44904/nevada-democratic-convention/
Ouch.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)in the process in a civil manner. i will be so glad when the primaries are over. It's just been really ugly.
bigtree
(86,008 posts)...it's getting that way with me. In a couple of weeks, these folks still looking for a political fight with our party and nominee won't get much more than the back of my hand.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)P.S. By the way, "these folks" are members of the party.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)So those "unregistering" as dems or refusing to register as dems are members of the party? Are they included too?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)so no, I already don't consider them members of the Democratic Party.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)He said that the 2000 election fiasco really legitimized our elections in voters' eyes, and all are suspected of cheating. He very much thought this is a bad thing. In the case of Nevada, I do tend to believe it is bad sportsmanship. At the same time, reading CoffeeCat's posts I realize there may have been some funny business going on with the credentialing of delegates, as occurred in Nevada.
Pierce is right though, it isn't worth having a riot over. However, if it doesn't change the outcome, why steal delegates from Sanders? I have my theories, relating to recent reports that Clinton has far more allies who want to attend the PHL convention than she has delegate slots.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)in pretending there was 'funny business' going on.
Any time Clinton wins there's 'funny business' going on.
Sanders, his campaign, his surrogates and his supporters have lost any credibility they ever had.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Your concern will be given the consideration it deserves.
msongs
(67,462 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)were essentially republican talking points.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)How can she help it? Look at how far to the right Bill pushed the Democrats.
There Is a Moderate Republican in This Race, But Shes Running as a Democrat
Hillary Clintons stances, while fluid during this election cycle, are historically most in tune with classical Republican ideas, as advocated by Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, and others. As a young woman, she volunteered for the conservative Barry Goldwater, and while today shes become liberal on some social issues, shes generally at home with moderate conservative ideas, such as a hawkish military, strict immigration laws, reduced welfare, laissez-faire rules for Wall Street, and international business treaties that favor large corporations. One group started a petition this year asking Clinton to run as a Republican, suggesting that while she is liberal on some issues, on a wide range of important issues she lands squarely as a moderate conservative.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... when I joined DU, I was absolutely appalled that the Sanders supporters were using the same sources and talking points as the freeper sites.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Failing to answer basic questions about your key issues to an editorial board is brilliant?
YouDig
(2,280 posts)loudest and most obnoxious fans. He needs to get a handle on things. He created this monster, it's his responsiblity to control it.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Be very fearful!
YouDig
(2,280 posts)victory encouraging. The only thing that these Bernie supporters can accomplish is helping Trump win.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)and feast upon his innards.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)mcar
(42,403 posts)And no supporter of HRC.
On the Road
(20,783 posts)That is interesting, because Charles Sanders Peirce had this to say about the political process:
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salinsky
(1,065 posts)On the Road
(20,783 posts)since I thought it was odd that the posted article was written by Charles Pierce (no relation) and concerned Sanders supporters.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Fuck that idea and the horse it rode in on.