2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOh the hyperbole coming from the Hillary folks this morning!
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Here's one of the best:
What will it take for Bernie to reign the Death Threats in? Does someone have to Die????
the horrific, ugly and sexist acts of terrorism against Democratic women.
He has not even contacted Roberta Lange to see if she, her family and her five year old grandchild are alright and try to help stop the minute by minute harassment they are suffering in his name.
After watching children being terrified at Hillary rallies by Sanders supporters and now this 5 year old child, I can't imagine what kind of miserable human being he must be
People get angry at a transparently rigged convention and the Hillary side then blows it up into (I've even seen it called a "riot" and now) a reign of death threats here this morning.
Jam a stick into someone's eye and then call them -- blame them for being -- "violent" barbarians for pushing you back. It's almost Machiavellian in its spin!
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)People who have to rely on this type of cynical hyperbole should just be laughed at or ignored. They have nothing worthwhile to offer to anyone and do nothing but damage their own candidate. If you have to resort to this type of lazy tactic it tells the world that your candidate must be so weak that you have to exaggerate to support them.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)they'd simply lay back and watch. But they continue to ramp up the hyperbole so obviously they are starting to panic. And I am not surprised, we are exposing the fallacies of our democracy, our election system and sadly the Democratic Party that used to be for the people. The Democratic Leadership has been bought and paid for by the Corporate/Oligarchy. The longer this goes the more exposure of their culture of corruption.
Vote for democracy, for freedom, for liberty, vote for Sanders.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)"Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6658778
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Frank Zappa would have never supported the likes of Hillary Clinton.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)You know what happens when you assume, right?
Pretty sure Zappa could tell you...
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)We both know what you support.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I'll support the Democratic nominee like I always have.
You?
Sorry, I won't let Sanders supporters here on DU affect my vote and rule him out.
On June 7th, I'll vote for the Democrat who I think can best defeat Trump and I'm keeping my options open.
I know that's hard for someone like you to grasp.
Now, go back to ranting at someone who voted for Hillary.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)His conversations about the establishment were always done in a well though out manner.
I haven't stated what I'll do and frankly, it is none of your or anyone else here business.
Also, you need to stop worrying about what I grasp and and learn a little something about the Zappa and the name you have chosen to co-opt for use here.
Shame on you again, for disgracing the name of Frank Zappa with your politics.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)You certainly seem to be up in my business!
Run along now and find a Clinton supporter to berate.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Strong men, also cry.
Strong men.
Also cry.
KPN
(15,650 posts)fascism -- either way if Bernie doesn't prevail.
Unless a lot more slide over to Gary Johnson, Libertarian. Geez, did you see? He's got 10% in today's polls -- the Libertarian Presidential candidate! 10% -- that's how bad Hillary and Trump are!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Cuz fascism would suck!
Hope you do your part and not vote for her!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)they can't get enough of it.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...talk about hyperbole! Sanders LOST the Feb. caucus. Get a grip on that
Trying to overturn the will of the people by bullying and intimidation at the convention and afterward didn't do a thing to change that. The process held firm, and the results of the convention matched the results of the caucus.
That's not 'rigging an election,' it's upholding one.
Btw, the credentials committee was comprised of 5 Sanders reps and 5 Clinton reps. it couldn't have been fairer and you're actually disparaging people from your own campaign.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)This whole process of the DNC is corrupt to the core and owned by the Corporate/Capitalists.
The Clinton Wing will do anything to win.
KPN
(15,650 posts)Did what Harry Reid do just happen by coincidence? Anyone who disavows the shenanigans is condoning them plain and simple.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...what supporters are bemoaning is their campaign's inability to use party elites at that convention to reverse the will of voters in that election.
Pretty amazing hypocrisy and disconnect there, KPN.
KPN
(15,650 posts)You have no idea what you just communicated, do you?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)as they have proved over and over in how they have treated the Sanders supporters. The one thing they should be doing is courting those voters but instead they are doing the opposite. They must have total obedience and that will be their downfall.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)chosen leaders. Like our founders we will fight the Aristocracy for our freedoms and liberties.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...and you're losing because VOTERS have chosen Hillary in greater numbers.
Go on and tell us how you believe 3 million plus votes more for Hillary than Sanders is a conspiracy and give us all a good laugh.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)You mean the majority of those voters THAT GOT TO VOTE. Disenfranchisement is a tool of the Conservatives, ala the Clinton Wing of our Party.
The Conservatives believe the Ends Justify the Means. I assume you agree.
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)should have been smarter about it...check your registration, I do every year.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)elections. But gloat while you can, the People will prevail.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...amazing how you can seek to define me outside of your little circle of concern and then accuse me of arrogance.
There's just no end to the projection. You need a mirror.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the voting process doesn't mean you have the People's support We are fighting the corrupt culture that you seem to defend.
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)Bernie lost...period end of story. You think everyone agrees with you but they don't as the primary clearly indicates.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Just because you can get a voting machine to say Clinton is the winner doesn't make it the will of the people.
Clinton represents the corrupt culture that we must bring down. I understand you siding with the Wealthy because you think they will win, but the 99% will prevail and then where will you be?
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)You lost by all measures...if the people wanted him, he would have won. Regardless of what you think, the Clinton's represent...she won. And you have to abide by that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Big Money Fat Cat domination of our political process that you seem to embrace. Sadly some put the profits of Goldman-Sachs above helping those among us that are suffering. Shame.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Maedhros
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but only by loyalty to the personality figure. Anyone who presents themselves as a threat to the ascendance of the personality is attacked, simply for not being part of the right tribe. The more vicious the attack, the more credibility, adoration, and validation the attacker receives from the rest of the personality cult.
It's pretty much middle-school playground politics at this point.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)think, but I think it's more than that. We've raise a generation or two of authoritarians. We got away from the liberal teachings of skepticism and open-mindedness in favor of authoritarianism. I call it Bullyism. The little bullies follow the bigger bullies. And you can readily see the mob mentality when they get together to gang up on a perceived enemy.
It's harder as a parent, a teacher, a scout leader, a coach, a religious leader to deal with open-mindedness. It's much easier to teach blind obedience and blindly following, authoritarianism.
QC
(26,371 posts)Anybody else remember how the media managed to transform a totally centrist candidate (DLC member who is now a health "care" lobbyist" into a deranged radical?
They're good at this sort of thing, especially when they have a million dollar army of trolls and a whole lot of brainwashed personality cultists who are giving it away for free.
Karl Rove working with Brock these days?
it would seem.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The Bush Family are grateful for Hillary's support for their Iraq War.
2banon
(7,321 posts)and went on about how much she trusted his word, cuz he promised more funding to NYC if she voted to authorize that war. And He was Good on His Word.
Joob
(1,065 posts)When a Hillary supporter that was arrested after punching a woman who is a Bernie supporter, in the head after talking politics.
Oh, "allegedly."
Yet let's focus on the "allegedly" thrown chairs.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)only further division between people on the same side of the spectrum (though clear not at the same place on that spectrum).
This fact makes all of the actions on the Sanders side seem totally ridiculous and counter to any progress we hope to make.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You see, it's all too hard. Clinton and her supporters don't like hard work. They like things just the way they are and all agree that things should stay the same. I believe they refer to it as a 3rd Obama term.
Just remember if she takes office. NO! WE CAN'T!
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Let's hang in there and see who actually made those calls.
COuld have been:
Trump PEople
Brock People
Camp Weather Vane people
Clinton PAC's
Bernie People (Fringe maybe)
I realize swiftboating Bernie is in vogue at the moment - but Hillarians should refrain from sticking their footsies in their mouths just yet.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)That voters will hear the awful story of chair throwing and death threats, but fail to catch the follow up stories that rescind those tales of woe ...
The awful narrative now exists, and many won't hear that: it wasn't true ....
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)Bernie on the other hand, needed huuuuuuuuuuuuge wins in both states. He is finished. A big lady is singing .
procon
(15,805 posts)with the Sanders delegation? There is no excuse to justify the violent mob scene that brought in the police to restore order.
Sanders delegates lost control, they didn't just get angry, they went on the attack. And no matter how you try to spin it or paint it as something inconsequential or blame someone else, Sanders owns the problem now. Look at today's blowback in the media where Sanders lack of leadership is being criticizing, and he isn't getting a free pass for not making a more decisive repudiation of his aggressive followers. And now there's a growing chorus of bloggers who were once avid Bernie fans with huge numbers of followers who are defecting and writing about their disappointment in Sanders integrity.
This isn't going away. The exodus will go on while you're still stuck pointing blame on everyone else except the bitter little man behind the curtain.
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procon
(15,805 posts)with fists raised, and screaming... if that isn't an out of control mob scene, then it must have been a coordinated event like several news reports have described. It wasn't as if they were singing Kumbaya, yeah?
You're in a bubble where everything is rosy, Sanders is winning, everyone is out to get you, and when he wins the world will be filled with rainbows and magic ponies. The wake up call is gonna be harsh.
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Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)You lost the state...and it is a sleazy thing you tried to do both in April and last week...shows your true character as it does the Bern. Hillary won and should have more delegates. As for the behavior of BSSers at the convention ...disgraceful is what I call it. Why is it the filthy language and threats are always directed at Democratic women by BSSers? Roberta was a Bernie supporter...I say was not is notice. You all damaged your cause ...yep big steaming pile in Nevada.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)He is the voice of the doomed, everyone else is owned by wall street, everything is rigged.
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)You are so right.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)America is their aim and hijacking sanders campaign to do it....and Bernie too feeble minded to see...
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)which is why I don't give a damn about accommodating them.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)with fire. They should know that. But perhaps they've gotten too used to cozying up to another side that will never ever accept them (the Republicans) to realize what it's like to fuck with people who really give a shit.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)LostOne4Ever
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