2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Week - "Bernie Sanders' campaign isn't about ideas anymore. It's about him."
I think I preferred Bernie when he was focusing on ideas and solutions of benefit to the 99 percent. However, it seems like the focus nowadays is that everyone is corrupt, but him, and the Democratic party is corrupt because it should only count open primaries and closed caucus, but not closed primaries where, horror of horrors, only Democrats vote for the Democratic nominee.
http://theweek.com/articles/625215/bernie-sanders-campaign-isnt-about-ideas-anymore-about
A responsible answer to this chaos from the Sanders campaign would have been to say: "We think the rules are unfair and did not give voice to our supporters, and we will try to revise the rules to make sure that this doesn't happen again."
That is not the answer that Sanders's campaign gave. Instead, they (once again) questioned the legitimacy of the party. Questioning the legitimacy of the institution that you've chosen to work inside of is tantamount to a call for a revolt. If the DNC and its proxies are not legitimate, then, indeed, the election IS being stolen from Bernie Sanders, and since a hell of a lot IS at stake, then agitation verging on violence is pretty much the only alternative short of going home and giving up.
It's fine for Sanders supporters in the heat of battle to believe this, but it is beyond irresponsible for Sanders's campaign to encourage the provenance of this view. Why? Because it's not true. It simply isn't. The rules are not rigged in favor of or against any particular candidate. They can't be. They were set long before the candidates entered the race. They haven't been capriciously changed. Indeed, they are skewed in FAVOR of Sanders: He has received more delegates than his popular vote totals should see him allocated, assuming that, as he does, the only real form of democracy is direct. Or maybe not: He has repeatedly said that the party does a disservice when it doesn't allow independents to vote in its primaries. And he has also said that he represents the "working people" the "working people" only vote for him. (Do Clinton supporters not work?)
His campaign is descending into semiotic babble. He is creating unrealistic expectations for his supporters. If those expectations cannot be met by a reconciliation, and if the party truly cannot convince a large number of Sanders delegates that they have been treated fairly, then his delegates could cause real trouble at the convention. They could prevent Clinton from uniting the party. They could prevent Sanders from keeping the party accountable for its promises to voters. They could nullify the very real power Sanders has right now to remold the party in the image of the type of candidate who is independent and more attentive to working class voters.
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(5,402 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)And, on cue, "Nope. It's about all the oligarchs pulling out all the stops."
Bernie's campaign did not start out just claiming everyone was corrupt. Rather, it was on issues and his solutions. Now, his campaign is all about him.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)Also, he is right, the system is as rigged and corrupt as it can be.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Now you've heard more about rigging. Enjoy!
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)This is what I mean. At one time, Bernie bragged about how he would not run a negative campaign. Now, the only thing his campaign and his supporters can discuss is attacking Hillary and Democrats.
think
(11,641 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Once again. While I think it is political expedient to get folks all angry and present yourself as the solution, this smacks me of a strategy borrowed from Donald Trump. I think Bernie become a formidable challenger by presenting himself as an issue focused candidate, rather than running on negative attacks.
Now, it is pavlovian, that the entire campaign is just an attack on his opponents and the Democratic party. Likewise, his supporters seem to be following along.
think
(11,641 posts)Hillary took? Is that how you all play the game?
Double standards, lies, and cheating? Congrats. You're doing a bang up job....
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Do you also comment on and review movies you haven't watched?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)The pro-Bernie posts are attacks on Hillary, the Democratic Party, the motives of writers, and the posters on this Board. You bring up Bernie's speeches. but what about them? Go ahead and include a transcript, but does it change what his campaign has focused on. Look at the most current pro-Bernie threads.
Bernie started off trying to run a positive issue-oriented campaign, but his campaign is now attacking everyone and everything who isn't him. Every long time progressive voice who has long been supportive of progressive causes has been thrown under the bus.
It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable, but we are now way past that on this Board. I am seeing more and more Bernie supporters just flirting with nihilism, which is worse than when Hillary was losing to President Obama.
It also makes no sense if you believe Bernie's rhetoric. He talks about a political revolution, but is he going to do it alone? Yet. Bernie's rhetoric has shifted from bragging about how closely he worked with Democrats early in his campaign, to now attacking the "establishment." There are a lot of Democrats, Democratic supporters, who have been fighting for liberal causes long before Bernie decided to run as a Democrat. Yet, it seems that the Bernie and his supporters are in a mad rush to demonize many of the allies he would need to support his revolution.
SpareribSP
(325 posts)Who would be upset if someone else who had the same integrity and focused on the same issues replaced him?
I know for me personally it's not, I like a lot of his ideas, and I like that he's bringing in more progressives and legitimizing techniques for strong grassroots campaigning.
I've seen people try and say this is a cult of personality around Bernie Sanders, but I just don't buy it. People care about his revolution more than they care about him. Wanting change is no joke - this is why people on DU talk about FDR democrats and such.
I think this is a completely transparent talking point for Bernie actual supporters, and mainly riles up more divisions as it helps other people paint them as dangerous, out of control people?
think
(11,641 posts)else that held to the same issues and had some integrity....
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Kucinich advocated a lot of the same things as Bernie Sanders.
Now Sanders is my favorite.
If another candidate in 8 years credibly advocates those things, that candidate may be my favorite.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)He is from Vermont, a wife named Jane, I believe he has kids?
He has a Brooklyn accent and is aged.
Like Bernie the guy is just some guy.
I know he was a civil rights activists and has a long history of supporting progressive causes. But That is all stuff I could glean from Wikipedia entries.
Its his policies.
I will vote for the next candidate closest to Sanders on policy come November.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It's never been about him, and it's not about him now.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)It's what happens when money, ratings, hits on websites are the end game.
It's big money interests that control the narratives and shape public perception.
What passes for journalism and news these days is lightweight fodder appealing to Survivor, Naked and Alone, Dancing with the Stars and the Honey Boo Boo crowd for a reason.
These entities are only on board as long as your path and their path run parallel but their goals are always short term and shallow.
They are not activitists and the only movement they truly support is the dollas.
The Revolution will continue and it will not be televised. We need broadband internet throughout this country as this is the only way to bypass TPTB, lightweight "news" and lack of actual investigative journalism. This is where the citizen has to do their own research but can lack the vehicle to make it widespread and public, filling the humongous gap in the failed 4th estate.
In the 21st century, there are still wide stretches of the south and west who do not have access to affordable high speed internet and that's a disservice to them but a plus for those who cultivate the ignorance and use it to their advantage. Low information is power and that's gotta change.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,356 posts)That's Hillary talking about issues, because it's not all about her.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)What that argument overlooks:
- Sanders is popular in caucus states such as Minnesota and would have more popular votes if those states had primaries since caucuses have low turnout.
- Sanders does better with Independents than Clinton and he would have more popular votes and delegates if states with closed primaries had open primaries.