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davidlynch

(644 posts)
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:38 AM May 2016

Musings on Rachael Maddow's Wrestling Stock Footage of Chairs Being Thrown

As you probably know, on the night of the uproar at the Las Vegas Democratic Convention, Rachael ran a piece that featured her own commentary over stock footage of chairs being thrown at a wrestling match.

Rachael's use of fake footage tells you a lot: Rachael *knew* that there was no real footage. We can infer this because she has the resources to track down real footage if it existed. Moreover, we can deduce that she instructed her people to try to find it. This kind of research is standard procedure, and historically has been in Rachael's DNA. I think it is inconceivable that she would decide to use bogus footage, preferring it over real footage, if real footage existed.

Given this, we can safely assume that she tried to find footage and failed to do so. And when she failed to find footage, she probably had a strong suspicion that there was no real violence, and hence no real story.

Yet she ran the story anyways. Why? There are two possibilities: (1) she wanted to run the story or (2) she was asked to run it.

In either case, the decision to use stock footage was absolutely intentional, and Rachael is too smart and dedicated to do something like that out of laziness or by accident.

Assume for a moment that Rachael was instructed to produce this piece. It dawned on me that the use of the bogus stock footage might be a kind of esoteric satire.

This could be Rachael's way of artfully sending us a coded message: the piece you are watching is no more real than pro wrestling.

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Musings on Rachael Maddow's Wrestling Stock Footage of Chairs Being Thrown (Original Post) davidlynch May 2016 OP
So the guy holding the chair over his head was just putting it away? Agschmid May 2016 #1
He was just attempting to show Barbara Boxer his chair. sufrommich May 2016 #2
Provide the video of chair throwing. JRLeft May 2016 #3
No need. Agschmid May 2016 #6
Like clockwork GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #9
I agree like clockwork. Agschmid May 2016 #11
And you accused me of being a troll/zombie... Haha GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #12
Was I wrong? I'm not convinced. Agschmid May 2016 #13
Oh, so upbraiding Sanders based on what his supporters did is no longer enough. Jim Lane May 2016 #17
Hey all I did was say he was just probably trying to be helpful and put it away. Agschmid May 2016 #18
I'll sort of accept your invitation to make another suggestion. Jim Lane May 2016 #19
lol Vattel May 2016 #36
But is that violence? It's time to let that go. NWCorona May 2016 #23
Oh please if he had shaken his fist your butthurt fauxtrage would be the same SwampG8r May 2016 #30
Whatever was the Sanders fan thinking-picking up a chair and holding it up over his head!! Very riversedge May 2016 #31
Leftover from a Jewish wedding! immoderate May 2016 #4
Did he throw it? Perogie May 2016 #7
I'm not perpetuating a lie, I said he was probably just putting it away. Agschmid May 2016 #10
SNOPES imari362 May 2016 #28
He did not throw it. He was immediately surrounded by other Bernie supporters cali May 2016 #33
I'm glad they stopped him. Agschmid May 2016 #38
oh please PaulaFarrell May 2016 #34
I guess I let you down. You'll get through it. Agschmid May 2016 #39
I noticed that the first time I saw it. Fuddnik May 2016 #5
She's smart but self-interested. Just another Clinton Press Secretary wannabe. leveymg May 2016 #8
rhymes with "war" reddread May 2016 #14
The use of stock footage in 'news' programming is not ethical. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #15
Sorry to burst your bubble but she is a total sellout Skwmom May 2016 #16
And it's so sad. I was a fan from her radio days. NWCorona May 2016 #24
same vintx May 2016 #27
Maddow is a lying propagandist of the plutocracy. tabasco May 2016 #20
She's intellectually dishonest and a lazy journalist... Yurovsky May 2016 #21
I think you're giving Maddow too much credit. Nothing artful about it. EndElectoral May 2016 #22
How the times have changed NWCorona May 2016 #25
I wouldn't doubt it. vintx May 2016 #29
I've come to think of her as an unethical, dishonest hack. CharlotteVale May 2016 #26
So Rachel is still one of us, we just have to decode her secret messages??! reformist2 May 2016 #32
Bernie Supporter Confronts Vegas Reporter On Rachel Maddow merkins May 2016 #35
Rachel is not a journalist and she doesn't report news BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #37
Can we TRUST Maddow again? Amerigus May 2016 #40

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
2. He was just attempting to show Barbara Boxer his chair.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

He was impressed with how comfortable it was and thought the world should know.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
6. No need.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:49 AM
May 2016

It's clear the guy was just trying to put away his chair nicely at the end of the caucus.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
13. Was I wrong? I'm not convinced.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016

I'm not the one arguing that a man raising a chair over his head had no negative intentions.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
17. Oh, so upbraiding Sanders based on what his supporters did is no longer enough.
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

Now, the Clinton camp has advanced to upbraiding Sanders based on what any of his supporters THOUGHT about doing.

I hear tell that, after the convention adjourned, a Sanders supporter went to a Las Vegas supermarket and thought about getting on the 12-items-or-fewer line with 13 items in her cart. She thought better of it, but the intention was there.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
18. Hey all I did was say he was just probably trying to be helpful and put it away.
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:32 PM
May 2016

And also I've said nothing about all Sanders supporters...

You want to make another suggestion about what he was doing with the chair, go for it.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
19. I'll sort of accept your invitation to make another suggestion.
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:47 PM
May 2016

I'll suggest that you're using sarcasm to advance a point of view that's so ridiculous you couldn't type it with a straight face. Therefore, in a markedly chickenshit move, you tossed out your foolishness and then made a few posts like this one in which you pretend you didn't say what we all know you said.

Note to hair-trigger alerters: I am criticizing the content of particular posts, not making a personal attack on the poster.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
30. Oh please if he had shaken his fist your butthurt fauxtrage would be the same
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:54 PM
May 2016

"Oh he raised his fist of course he was going to use it!"
Even snopes.says its false.

riversedge

(70,264 posts)
31. Whatever was the Sanders fan thinking-picking up a chair and holding it up over his head!! Very
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:58 PM
May 2016

threatening move on his part. No wonder those on stage were fearful of the crowd.

imari362

(311 posts)
28. SNOPES
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

"The only intact footage that matched MSNBC's claim and imagery shows a man of unknown affiliation briefly lifting a chair before placing it back down without throwing it:"

https://twitter.com/Bernie4People/status/732619789424832512



"The Chair Thrown 'Round the World"
http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
33. He did not throw it. He was immediately surrounded by other Bernie supporters
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

who convinced him to put it down. I posted a first hand account from a Bernie delegate who was one of the group of Bernie supporters who did that.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
5. I noticed that the first time I saw it.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:45 AM
May 2016

If you look closely, you can see the ropes. Well, she rope-a-doped quite a few people.

I think her paycheck and Establishment acceptance have become more important than her integrity. I saw a big change in her a couple of years ago, and haven't watched her since.

I cut the cord a couple of months ago, and I don't get any of those asshole propaganda channels anymore. Amy Goodman and Thom Hartmann are much better.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. She's smart but self-interested. Just another Clinton Press Secretary wannabe.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:03 AM
May 2016

Not a very good or trustworthy journalist.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. The use of stock footage in 'news' programming is not ethical.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

But I did not see it because I stopped watching her when she was promoting Pat 'My Uncle Pat' Buchanan on her show all the time. America's leading homophobic antisemitic racist.
I'm sure she had a rationale for doing so but I had no reason to care as I was not cut in on her seven figure rationale so I just stopped giving her my time.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
20. Maddow is a lying propagandist of the plutocracy.
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

What did you expect to see on the plutocracy-owned mass media?

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
21. She's intellectually dishonest and a lazy journalist...
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

actually she's more of a propagandist. She's made a few bucks, is getting used to the good life, and wants to promote candidates who won't derail her gravy train.

Not surprising. I certainly won't shed a tear if MSNBC goes under and she loses her cushy gig.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
29. I wouldn't doubt it.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:51 PM
May 2016

Back when she was on Air America she always talked like an FDR type Dem, and not a new dem / neoliberal / third way triangulating piece of shit.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
26. I've come to think of her as an unethical, dishonest hack.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

And up until she showed her true colors 4 years ago I used to love her show.

Amerigus

(34 posts)
40. Can we TRUST Maddow again?
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:47 PM
May 2016

APPALLED: I was the biggest Maddow defender until recently. I agree it's maddening not knowing whether she is directing this pro-Hillary, anti-Bernie electioneering, but her name is on the show, so does it matter?

Yes, it matters - the point is that Comcast is using their prized progressive "property" to go all in for Hillary, who they contribute to without disclosure.

This is exactly what Bernie is fighting - the corporate takeover of media. MSNBC cuts off his speeches when he mentions media. But what about Rachel, is she onboard with the Hillary machine, or is she trapped in a corporate contract and reading what the 1% gives her? More here.

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