72% of Sanders backers say they'd vote for Sec. Clinton..better than 2008

[Henhouse]

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Macbeth Quote (Act V, Scene V).

I'm just trashing all the Bernie or Bust posts.

72% of Sanders backers say they'd vote for Sec. Clinton..better than 2008

Taniel ‏@Taniel

May 2008, NYT/CBS poll: 60% of Clinton backers say they'd vote Obama

May 2016, NYT/CBS poll: 72% of Sanders backers say they'd vote Clinton

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link to NYT/CBS's 05/2016 poll (2nd paragraph) http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbsnyt-national-poll-hillary-clintons-lead-over-donald-trump-narrows/ …

link to NYT/CBS's 05/2008 poll (page 6): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/MAY08A-Politics.pdf ….

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[GeorgiaPeanuts]

1. Well then why does she poll so bad against Trump...

She is barely floating along now.

[JoePhilly]

2. Why was Obama losing to McCain in polls during the summer of 2008?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

3. Obama had great favorables throughout the 2008 election cycle...

Hillary already is in some polls having worse favorables than Trump. You cannot compare apples to apples. Clinton never goes up in polls only down.

[JoePhilly]

7. Obama was still losing in various polls to McCain that summer.

I'll give you a hint as to why.

Polls in the spring and summer before the GE don't mean shit. The polls won't start to reflect reality until after the conventions and the majority of Americans star actually paying attention.

That's a comparison of my shinny apples to your rotten apples.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

13. The joys of Camp Weathervane...

Where polls are great when they show Clinton in a favorable way and crap when they show Clinton in an unfavorable way...

[Recursion]

16. And he was still polling worse against McCain than Clinton is against Trump

For the millionth time: favorables and votes aren't very correlated.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

21. Wrong...

In modern elections the person who has the worst favorables has almost always lost. (Almost only there in case there are any flukes not on this image)

[Recursion]

74. Then you're arguing Trump is going to lose

Which is fine with me...

[Demsrule86]

77. No he did not

He actually polled worse than Romney in California at one point. Romney was ahead...there were many polls showing Clinton beating Romney while Obama did not...so not true.

[tabasco]

45. That's not true.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls

Obama consistently polled ahead of McCain.

[JoePhilly]

52. Scroll back to Septermber, and August and July and June and May, and April, and March.

Trump winning a few polls now, in May doesn't mean shit.

Obama didn't take control of the polls until the end of September.

Prior to that McCain was wining various polls periodically.

Which is exactly what Trump is doing now.

You helped prove my point. Thanks.

[tabasco]

55. Yeah, let's do that.

Except for a couple speed bumps, Obama was in the driver's seat the whole way.

[JoePhilly]

56. And by the time the conventions end, Hillary will be as well.

I mean, if you want to hope that's not the case, go for it.

[tabasco]

58. WTF is that supposed to mean?

Word of advice ---> hope is not a method.

[karynnj]

42. Trying to decompose Sanders supporters into subgroups might help

Here is my attempt at defining the subgroups of people supporting Bernie

Democratic party core - those who always vote Democratic

Independents who are on the left

Independents who are are libertarian

Independents who are mostly to the right of the Democratic party

Republican party core

Independents who are to the right of the Republicans.


Bernie may have supporters from the top four.

AT this moment, almost anyone in group one will say yes. Many of group 2 will say yes now, but a significant number might be saying "undecided". - and I suspect that over time, they will support her loudly speaking of holding their nose.

The next two groups - which I debated making one group, but reconsidered as they are different - may have a substantial number of people who Bernie did win over, but who may have problems with Clinton. Many of these might vote for the libertarian candidate or Trump or stay home.

It may be that the gun issue which hurts Sanders in the primary might be a big deal to some of these people. In addition, the whole issue of regulating Wall Street is a hard one for HRC to gain credence on - even with people like Krugman supporting her.

I would assume that almost all Bernie supporters on DU fit in the top two groups.

[LenaBaby61]

61. Bernie Sanders .....

Double-digit Lead of 14 points has shrunk down to 4 points vs Trump in a GE match-up--Says the most recent Fox News Poll for May.

Do you believe that Bernie Sanders is 4 points ONLY better than Trump in the GE?

IF so, then BOTH Bernie & Hillary are struggling vs Trump in a GE match-up.

[apcalc]

81. Because at this point in the race more of her supporters will vote for Sanders...

than the other way around . At least that is what the pollsters say.

To me , that means they realize the danger of Trump, not that they love Sanders.

[Silver_Witch]

4. Well good for them.

And this means?

[edgineered]

28. This means that, like the children we are,

we have learned the game of Simon Says. We say what we are told. Simon says to SBS supporters, "I will vote for Clinton". Seventy two percent remain in the game.

My turn - Simon says, "Clinton is the most trusted politician in American history".

[larkrake]

59. If it comes to trust, the telling is which do you trust more. Hill or Donald

They both lie, they both are obsessed with ego and ambition. We know Hills evil thru her history, we do not know Donalds thru his history, but he is against free trade so its a gamble

[edgineered]

62. I get much amusement from the Clinton/Trump angle.

Maybe I don't check the news often enough, being of the belief that neither has their party's nomination sewn up. It would not surprise me in the least that come the GE one or both of these candidates doesn't make the ballot. That you are trusting either party's apparatus and bar any October surprises is living a lie, only said in response to your need to invoke lies.

[larkrake]

91. I wish, wish, wish that would happen, neither is suitable

[edgineered]

92. Sometimes we forget that old saying about how long a day

in politics is. Seeing your post count tempted me to say welcome to du, but hell, you've been here twice as long as me (had to check because its easy to make mistakes, and have no doubt that you exercise an appropriate amount of caution yourself) and seen many more surprising things!

[JaneyVee]

5. Reality check.

[Fawke Em]

37. By polling companies that have failed this year?

No.

[Faux pas]

6. Whose

ass are they pulling those numbers out of?

[mcar]

8. Not a surprise, but good to see

[bkkyosemite]

9. Those polls are way off.

[COLGATE4]

11. And you know this how?

[yuiyoshida]

10. But she said she doesn't want

Sanders supporters or needs them.

[Cosmocat]

15. I missed that

Please provide the direct quote on that ...

[yuiyoshida]

17. Gosh there was a video she said that

I posted it long ago, and I am not sure where to find it.. But you are free to look.

oh you are lucky, I found it.

[kboun]

39. Hillary wants your vote

I don't take that as she does not want his supporters. I take that as, because she is ahead based on her positions, it would not be prudent to adopt Sen. Sander's platform. I voted for Clinton, not Sanders, based on her platform. I don't want her to adopt his and abandon hers (mine). Now, as democrats we can always make some concessions. I'm sure she will be willing to do that as long as it's within reason. For example, instead of free college for all, what can she do to expand her present position on making college EVEN more affordable. She has already proposed allowing older people buy into Medicare. Face it, when she does try to appeal to Sanders' supporters, she is chastised and accused of stealing his positions. Fact: she is not as liberal as Sanders. Fact 2: She is far more liberal than Trump. In the end, I hope Sanders supporters will realize that HRC will be better than Trump.

[yuiyoshida]

40. You never watched the entire video did you?

No, I can't say that you did. And as for what HRC wants...that's up to THE VOTERS.

[treestar]

41. Good analysis

Welcome to DU!

[valerief]

73. Welcome to my Ignore Forever Club. nt

[merrily]

83. "Discredit him, destroy him, and worry about Party unity later." Hillary campaign

Of course she wants my vote. She wants every vote she can get because she's wanted to be President for decades. But she is not willing to do anything in particular to get it.

[tabasco]

49. Arrogance and lies.

Yuck. No wonder her negatives are so high.

[yuiyoshida]

50. exactly

[Cosmocat]

68. So, she never said that

the commentators said it plenty, but she never said what you are saying she said, in fact, she didn't come close to saying that.

[yuiyoshida]

87. She implied it, and if she wants my vote

she will have to convince me to give it to her. Its not for sale, nor will I be bullied by you or anyone to vote for someone who I don't believe.

[Cosmocat]

88. Wrong on two accounts

1) I could give a $hit how you vote.

2) You posted that she said she did not want or need Bernie voters. She didn't. In no way, shape or form.

You want to live in your own fantasy land, go for it.

But, don't go balling around when you try to put it out in the real world and it does not in exist in reality.

[yuiyoshida]

93. WRONG (do you always try to correct people on the internet? It must be a full time job, ne?)

She did, so there it is... have a great day

[Karma13612]

84. Excellent! Who was the the second chap who did the closing

In this vid?

I would love to hear him speak more.
Does he have a column?

[felix_numinous]

12. A poll in 2001 said 'Most Americans willing to give up some civil rights in the war on Terror'

right before the pre written Patriot Act was rushed through Congress and Senate. I will not forget that 'poll'.

[Depaysement]

14. And . . .

. . . Trump trails Clinton by only 6 but trails Sanders by 13. Same pollster.

So let's just nominate Bernie. He's a winner and won't get indicted.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbsnyt-national-poll-hillary-clintons-lead-over-donald-trump-narrows/

[NorthCarolina]

18. How many of those would vote for Bernie over Hillary if he were on a third-party ticket? nt

[larkrake]

60. I would

[Skwmom]

19. 2016 is not 2008

1. Bernie has hardly laid a glove on Hillary and Trump is only beginning.

2. In 2008, her supporters initially didn't support Obama because of what occurred in the primary campaign so it was not difficult to bring them on board. Plus, as Clinton said, Obama was no different then her.

3. Many Bernie supporters didn't just decide this primary season not to support Clinton. Their feelings towards her are based upon things that happened prior to the beginning of this primary season and what she represents - a government bought and paid for by the 1% (though her conduct, and that of her paid hacks this primary season have hardly helped matters).

This is NOT 2008. Comparisons are useless.

[Pisces]

34. Your post are useless as I smell a wolf in sheep's clothing

[Skwmom]

53. So if you're not for Clinton you are for the other side?

There is another person in this race - Bernie Sanders. How dare any of his supporters push back against the b.s. spin. What do we think this is a democracy or something.

[Vattel]

82. true, true, and true

[Tarc]

20. This is what we've said since Day 1; the "bernie or bust" shtick is largely overblown

Their numbers are insignificant now, and will only dwindle by the time the fall election comes around.

[bkkyosemite]

26. I think you will have a surprise coming...this is not like any other year.

[Tarc]

27. I think the surprise here is that the entitlement generation is going to learn that...

...there isn't going to be a participation trophy award this time, nor are they really the important party base that they think they are.

[NCTraveler]

22. We are in a great position.

Lots of hard work ahead.

[Logical]

65. Yes, Turing Hill liberal will be difficult. Good luck. nt

[NCTraveler]

67. Thank you for the well wishes.

[tom-servo]

23. Even if they did...

... I don't think they will enthusiastically campaign for her which could be significant.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Everone should vote for the candidate they prefer.

That's what I intend to do and I imagine that's what most people will do.

But, I don't take into account what "most people do" when casting my vote.

[basselope]

25. Larger % of a smaller number = less votes.

This is why she has no path.. no appeal to independents, who rule the election.

[SidDithers]

29. DU rec...

and the 28% who won't think they're the voice of the people.



Sid

[yallerdawg]

30. When 40% of PUMA's said, "No Obama", Obama kicked ass!

It looks like we got 2016 covered!!!

What was that Cee Lo Green song?

[restorefreedom]

31. nope

trumps numbers keep rising against her.

by the time the conventions are done and trump is done with her, she will be lucky to have won 10 states in the ge

[MineralMan]

32. And there it is. The nation is not represented on DU.

We're a special set here. In a Venn diagram, DU is a tiny, narrow intersection. DU is like the B circle below, except smaller.

[Fawke Em]

36. Correct.

There are way more BernieorBusters on Twitter, on Facebook and on other progressive sites.

[Kang Colby]

86. But I think you have to acknowledge that most of those Bernie fans on social media don't vote.

I haven't seen evidence of it yet.

[Pisces]

33. A lot of the posts are trolls trying to cause arguments.

[Fawke Em]

35. And the polls have been very wrong this year.

Hell, they aren't even conducting exit polls any longer.

Bunk.

[HooptieWagon]

38. Democratic supporters, not ALL supporters.

Much more than half of independant Sanders supporters won't vote for Clinton...if they were willing to support establishment candidates they'd have been Democrats all along.
I'd say barely over half of ALL Sanders supporters will vote for Clinton, though that number appears to be on a downward trend due to Csmp Weathervane's appalling behavior.

[azurnoir]

44. Interesting demographic chart from CBS article

[kstewart33]

47. Great numbers for Bernie.

But not surprising given he's yet to be vetted.

[azurnoir]

48. Yep and it's interesting Bernie did better than Hillary with women against Trump

[kstewart33]

46. Very good news.

I'd wager that the percentage will increases substantially after the convention.

[PowerToThePeople]

51. 28%er checking in.

Though I do not think those numbers are accurate.

[Nye Bevan]

54. Lots of sane Bernie supporters out there in the real world! (nt)

[lunamagica]

63. K&R. And this is without him endorsing her! Imagine how hight it will go once he does!

[Logical]

64. The Hill fans here just like whining. Most their posts are whining. nt

[Alfresco]

66. K&R

[eastwestdem]

69. And the other 28% are on DU? nt

[Bill USA]

70. this is good news and good news for Bernie supporters. One can get a distorted view of Bernie's

people from this forum. And that's even with an awareness that many/most of the attack Hillary posts are not from real Bernie supporters but from Repugnants 'for' Bernie.

[NurseJackie]

72. 100% of my friends who are Sanders supporters plan to support our nominee. Isn't that ...

... odd how everyday ordinary people in real life are so much more reasonable than the personalities one encounters in online political discussion forums?

Not a single Sanders supporter I know has uttered anything that resembles:

-- You'll be sorry.
-- I can't wait to say I told you so.
-- I'll never vote for Hillary.
-- I'd rather vote for Trump.
-- I might vote for Trump.
-- I will vote for Trump.
-- We need to teach the party a lesson.
-- Burn it down.
-- I'll vote for nobody.
-- Nobody tells me how to vote.
-- I vote for the person not the party.
-- She's a crook.
-- She's an oligarch.
-- etc., etc., etc...

[Demsrule86]

75. My three kids were Bernie supporters (18-23)

But have already said they will vote for Clinton. They are smart kids and realize electing Trump would bring disaster.They don't hate Hillary either.

[cantbeserious]

76. Proudly part Of The 28%

eom

[Demsrule86]

78. Primaries exist to pick candidate who can win the presidency

Hillary was chosen. Now I know a fair amount of Sanders voters don't want to believe that...and that is Sanders fault for pretending he can still win. He can't and won't.

[cantbeserious]

80. This Citizen Suspects The Worst From The HRC, WJC, DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Establishment

Including rigging the primary system to ensure a coronation.

[Demsrule86]

89. Bernie Sanders could not win a general election

I just don't think he could win...but he has lost the primary so we will never know for sure.

[cantbeserious]

90. Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Much, Much Differently

eom

[nc4bo]

79. 2 stinky candidates, one a Republican. Back to the Lesser of Two Evils

Infinite bios loop error message.

ETA: maybe we should nickname it the infinite voter boot loop phenomenon. It's a classic!

[MaeScott]

85. Now we bring out poll data, after vetoing any further exit polls. Lolololol