2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Says She's Looking Beyond Politicians in VP Search
Hillary Clinton says shes looking beyond just politicians as she begins her search for a potential running mate.
I think we should look widely and broadly, the Democratic presidential candidate exclaimed on Meet the Press Sunday when asked about her Vice Presidential search. "Its not just people in elective office. It is successful businesspeople. I am very interested in that.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-shes-politicians-vp-search/story?id=39287912
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)given her history one has to wonder whether this is just another way of saying she's putting the VP slot up for sale to the highest bidder
DebDoo
(319 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)If I were a politician, I wouldn't want it.
Alex4Martinez
(3,272 posts)Can't have Bill so how about Chelsea?
Seriously!
Wouldn't that be FANTASTIC???
riversedge
(79,073 posts)administration before you post again on the topic. .
Autumn
(48,708 posts)Those speeches would be very interesting right about now. Just to see where that successful business person she's considering might come from.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)GreatGazoo
(4,378 posts)Hillary / Goldman 2016
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)thesquanderer
(12,875 posts)...who are a big part of the electorate this year, in both parties.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
BootinUp
(50,757 posts)At a time when the country hates both parties, how does this answer possibly sound bad to Independents? At least wait until you see her pick to attack otherwise you sound foolish.
cali
(114,904 posts)It's a big mistake
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)wounds.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Think Barney Frank or Dick Gephart
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)...couldn't Hillary just appoint the Goldman Sachs Corporation as vice-president?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)derpderpderp
(43 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Went from supposedly regulating ajnd controlling Big Bidness and Wall St. to shilling for them as a lobbuist for the likes of Goldman Sachs and against things like a public option.
A more appropriate choice would not be possible to send a message to all progressive and liberals -- FU.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)Autumn
(48,708 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)And that's some serious cred!
Autumn
(48,708 posts)they would make a close team and work well together. Like Bush and Cheney.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/12/emails_expose_close_ties_between_hillary_clinton_and_accused_war_criminal_henry_kissinger/
dchill
(42,660 posts)Autumn
(48,708 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)and he has experience in the all-important field of staying out of jail when by all rights he should be locked up for life
dchill
(42,660 posts)Autumn
(48,708 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)The hedge funds are where the real financial power is. A few just brought down the Argentinian Government, and made a killing, without the intervention of Wall Street or the State Department.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)These people are serious. Really serious.
The Clintons are servants, senior managers. Nothing more.
antigop
(12,778 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It will be like no other general in history. There are no rules. Hillary knows this and acting accordingly. Hillary won't run a traditional general. She can't it won't work.
cali
(114,904 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)it's MATH
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Math jokes!
Farmer takes his pig to the Vet. The Vet asks "what's the problem with your pig?"
Well," says the farmer, "This one just doesn't fit in with all the other pigs. When they sleep, he's awake. When they eat he plays. When they play, he eats. I just don't get it."
After giving the pig a checkup, the Vet says, "Don't worry, your pig is fine. He's just a coswine."
bjo59
(1,166 posts).. and am none the wiser. Darn it.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Ratios of sides to a triangle. One is adjacent/hypotenuse and the other is opposite/hypotenuse. Hypotenuse is slanted line in the triangle.
Sine and cosine are kinda opposites, like the pigs.
IIRC, in the movie Lincoln, when he was talking about Euclidean geometry, this is part of the stuff he was talking about.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)Totally negative.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Or would that be a function? At some point, I'm going to have to go back and retake 8th Grade Math.
cali
(114,904 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)"I am looking into it"
Jack Bone
(2,047 posts)nt
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)SamKnause
(14,631 posts)10 highest paid bank CEO's:
Jamie Dimon
John Stumpf
Richard Fairbank
Richard Davis
Joseph Hooley
Brian Moynihan
Michael Corbat
O.B. Grayson Hall Jr.
Kelly King
William Cooper
also
Lloyd Blankfein
Any high ranking Military Brass that view war as a business opportunity
aikoaiko
(34,213 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)If Kim becomes VP
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)"You have to have a Treasury Secretary who understands the economy, the American economy and the global economy," Clinton said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."
Clinton is under fire for her ties to Wall Street. Clinton has become a millionaire from giving numerous speeches to big banks and investment firms -- pocketing about $200,000 apiece.
When Clinton was pressed on whether she would appoint someone from Wall Street to be her Treasury Secretary, she refused to say no.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Quixote1818
(31,115 posts)So if they have anything to say about it, I would not bet against this happening.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)more successful and respected. Most everything Cuban has a hand in really does turn into gold.
So here we are, our selection process has devolved to "reality" TV.
We'll take Cuban for $500, Alec......
insta8er
(960 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and she wants as many of these people as possible to vote for her in November. Refraining from picking a Wall-Streeter as VP is a simple and costless bone to throw to them.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Unless it's someone who has been critical of Wall Street's problems. Would her billionaire donors still back her if she picked a "class traitor", like that?
I've found that the best predictor of Hillary's actions are what her donors want.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)She wants that she will have to move way left. Middle of the road isn't cutting it.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)If anything she will pivot rightward to get moderate Republican votes.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Getting back to her republican roots I guess
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)That's the same as saying, this person I chose as VP who has to be ready to be President at a moment's notice, has the same lack of skills that I'm slamming Trump for.
Brilliant.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)with his failed casinos, university, vodka, airline shuttle, and bankruptcies.
I think it's fair to say that Hillary's choice will have zero failed businesses and zero bankruptcies on his record.
R B Garr
(17,935 posts)insulting, but dangerous. She then listed some of his statements. She also said a Texas businessman told her he did international business and could not vote for Trump because his dangerous statements were already causing him problems in his business and he couldn't have that. The man told Hillary he would be voting for her, although he had voted Republican most of his life.
Did you hear her this morning? I deleted it already, but I didn't hear her say what you are posting about lack of skills. I have yet to see an accurate criticism of Hillary that takes what she said in context.
Henhouse
(646 posts)I liked when Todd asked her about critisism of Bill's economic policy..Paraphrased..."Which part do they criticize? The peace or the prosperity?"
pangaia
(24,324 posts)What a distortion of the truth..
Nothing new, there.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)as opposed to someone who's spent 30 years in Washington talking about creating jobs but actually spending almost all of their time raising money and campaigning to be re-elected.
And I don't mean someone like Trump who inherited $200 million from Daddy and coasted off that his whole life. I mean someone genuinely self-made who built up a business from scratch.
Lots of people here talk about the need to appeal to "independents". Tell me that the right person in this mold wouldn't do exactly that.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)George W Who?
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)establishing one of the leading pro-Democratic discussion sites on the internet, you would be opposed to her choice because DU, being a LLC, is not a "democracy"?
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Skinner does not serve at our behest.
Nor do most "business leaders."
It appalls me how many people fail to appreciate the fundamental difference between democracy and most businesses.
President Obama may be our leader, but he is not our boss. We are his boss.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Mark Cuban.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)How about community leaders? Or people who have had dedicated their lives to others?
Can't believe we have to remind dem candidate that the government is not like a business, and those skills don't translate.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a "successful businessman" if you pay your taxes, treat your employees fairly, and behave with social responsibility. Yes, the Dimons and the Blankfeins grab the headlines but there are many fine "succesful businessmen" out there who are admirable people. Many DUers are even employed by such people.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Hillary has already called Ms Kardashian "inspirational", she could do worse with a VP pick outside the political realm. Active in the arts, successful minority businessperson married to another successful well known and popular minority businessperson, extremely well known, popular with the press and the camera is her friend.
What's not to love?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Hillary's running mate will definitely be a man. Mike "The Situation" Sorrentino from "Jersey Shore", for example.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Who picks the quota of quota pickers?
There's probably an obscure Latin phrase for that.
I think it was Jon Stewart who mentioned voting for Mr T the other day, I pity the fool who wouldn't vote for Mr T for VP.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)As mentioned up-thread she is looking at people sorta like Trump - brilliant.
Successful business people is synonymous with sociopath in my world. A lot of people seem to cheer this kind of behavior, it's past time we diagnose and treat it appropriately.
Just to be clear, I do not mean the guy that makes a decent living running his local restaurant or shop, I am talking about CEOs and hedge fund types.
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)I don't have a problem with someone outside Washington or politics being chosen, but a "successful businessman" sounds like she's letting Trump set the frame early on.
nruthie
(466 posts)Bill is free, isn't he?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)the vast majority have the opinion that Bill would not be permitted to serve as VP.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)She's already in the tank for corporate America and now she wants to have two people on the ticket in the tank. Well at least you can say she's finally being honest. It's pretty clear where her loyalties lie. I guess she wants to reassure her backers that if something happens to her that corporate America will still be well represented.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Stick with me here. The Republicans hold their convention a week before the Democrats. If they actually do repudiate the Donald and nominate someone else, he'd be free, he already owns his own airplane, has lots of money, and if he's the VP nominee, he wouldn't be out there calling her truly vile names.
And the ticket would combine the supposed liberalism of Hillary with the out-and-out racist homophobic misogyny of Trump, thus appealing to a truly broad swath of voters.
Really. What's not to like?
-none
(1,884 posts)How could I have left that out?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)andym
(6,047 posts)Perot almost beat her husband and he is a throwback to the 90's. Sure he is a bit old at 85, but I bet he would be great on the campaign trail against Trump. Didn't like NAFTA as well. Okay, this is a joke, but seriously who can she be thinking of?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)His life is building up Amazon, and as a shareholder in that company since the early 2000s I hope he continues with it.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Worse than Wal-Mart: Amazons sick brutality and secret history of ruthlessly intimidating workers
Amazon equals Walmart in the use of monitoring technologies to track the minute-by-minute movements and performance of employees and in settings that go beyond the assembly line to include their movement between loading and unloading docks, between packing and unpacking stations, and to and from the miles of shelving at what Amazon calls its fulfillment centersgigantic warehouses where goods ordered by Amazons online customers are sent by manufacturers and wholesalers, there to be shelved, packaged, and sent out again to the Amazon customer.
Amazons shop-floor processes are an extreme variant of Taylorism that Frederick Winslow Taylor himself, a near century after his death, would have no trouble recognizing. With this twenty-first-century Taylorism, management experts, scientific managers, take the basic workplace tasks at Amazon, such as the movement, shelving, and packaging of goods, and break down these tasks into their subtasks, usually measured in seconds; then rely on time and motion studies to find the fastest way to perform each subtask; and then reassemble the subtasks and make this one best way the process that employees must follow.
As at Walmart, Amazon achieves this with a regime of workplace pressure, in which targets for the unpacking, movement, and repackaging of goods are relentlessly increased to levels where employees have to struggle to meet their targets and where older and less dextrous employees will begin to fail. As at Walmart, there is a pervasive three strikes and youre out culture, and when these marginal employees acquire too many demerits (points), they are fired.
Amazons system of employee monitoring is the most oppressive I have ever come across and combines state-of-the-art surveillance technology with the system of functional foreman, introduced by Taylor in the workshops of the Pennsylvania machine-tool industry in the 1890s. In a fine piece of investigative reporting for the London Financial Times, economics correspondent Sarah OConnor describes how, at Amazons center at Rugeley, England, Amazon tags its employees with personal sat-nav (satellite navigation) computers that tell them the route they must travel to shelve consignments of goods, but also set target times for their warehouse journeys and then measure whether targets are met.
http://www.salon.com/2014/02/23/worse_than_wal_mart_amazons_sick_brutality_and_secret_history_of_ruthlessly_intimidating_workers/
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It's unacceptable, so he does not get my custom. He's Hearst with streaming services.
chascarrillo
(3,897 posts)Jesus Christ, is this where the Democratic Party has fallen? To cheer on predatory capitalists who run businesses where employees regularly cry at their desks?
Peacetrain
(24,271 posts)We need to keep our senators in the senate..because of the Supreme Court selections..
k8conant
(3,038 posts)Wouldn't that be fun?
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,961 posts)Billionaire. Artist. Businessman.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)What fresh hell is this?
I can only imagine what her definition of success is. Those who have screwed over the little people to make their money? Those who make their living on Wall Street (which is the same thing)?
If she wants to look outside the political world, maybe she should look at people who have dedicated their lives to helping others.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, who is she kidding.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)apnu
(8,790 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)but it probably would help
appalachiablue
(43,782 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)imaginary girl
(997 posts)He's actually very articulate.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...if we're going to have a successful businessman, let's have the guy who invented the Hulk, Spider-Man, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four. Let our national hair down a little--relax, don't worry, be happy. Yeah, there's a little age issue--but is it *that* much worse than, say, Bernie? Clinton/Lee--Excelsior!
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)How about civil rights leaders, labor leaders, or academics? Those are the grassroots heroes that do far more for our country than billionaires skimming profits from consumers shackled to a capitalist system.
jillan
(39,451 posts)someone that knows nothing about how the US govt runs.
Well, if she is looking for a business man, she can always pick her good buddy Don.

oasis
(53,268 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)She is 68 right now. Her bday is in Oct.
#math
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Hmm..
Logical
(22,457 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Just throw it right out there.
How about Jamie Dimon????
She knows exactly who she wants.
This is how they do it......
The woman is absolutely insufferable...
COME ON BERNIE, Don't give up now !! GO GET HER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here comes another ten bucks !!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Sancho
(9,172 posts)Judging from the CTs on GDP, Hillary and DWS are in charge of Command!!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)No idea what to think of this. I guess I'll have to hear who it is.
