2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI am not a big DWS fan
She's a bad spokesperson on tv and her scheduling of the debates was hard to make sense of. If she loses her primary, I won't be crying in my beer.
But to blame her for the fact that a majority of Democrats have not voted to nominate Bernie Sanders is absurd. The position of DNC chair carries with it little unilateral power, and her haters in the Bernie camp are ascribing to her more power than she actually has.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Personally I'd love to see her get successfully primaried... right up until it turns out Canova can't hold that seat, at which point it stops being funny.
Dem2
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)Yes indeed.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)He won't have private prison or payday lender lobbyists backing him up, but he's made friends I think.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)They are predators.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)I would point out you don't mention her most egregious sin, supporting predatory lenders. So, if HRC wants Sanders voters, here is a very simple thing she can do, that is entirely in keeping with Democratic ideals:
Repudiate DWS because of her endorsement of Pay Day Lender. State categorically that such support is wrong, and because of it, *if elected* she will fire DWS as chair, and will NOT give her any appointment in her administration.
Such an act would go a LONG way to helping convince Sanders voters such as myself to support HRC in the general.
But I will predict right now that this will never happen. Worse, people will make excuses for why it can't happen, claiming it is "not pragmatic" or that I am asking for a Unicorn.
I would think that DWS' metaphorical head on a Pike is a pretty damned cheap price for Sanders supporter's votes.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)putting any support behind Clinton was unimaginable.
I would think that DWS' metaphorical head on a Pike is a pretty damned cheap price for Sanders supporter's votes.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)In the general. It is a pretty simple demand, and every excuse they can offer for not doing it would just make my point about her utter lack of ethics and morality.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)the fact that she allied herself with sheldon adelson to defeat medical marijuana reform in florida is pretty bad, too.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Who's making that claim? People are saying she's part of the reason, but I don't know of anyone who says she's the entire reason Bernie is behind.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)And deserves its own derision.
I dont think there's many who blame DWS entirely for Bernies current position. She's part of the problem though, certainly, and the stunning Democratic losses under her DNC leadership are squarely on her.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Sometimes thread of the party has t take the heat for events. She did constrict the debates but I am sure clinton was in on it. I hold her responsible for the media back out -- that was a manipulation. Maybe she and clint did not personally meet with owners, but they were in on it. Too well choreographed for her guiding hand not to have been in on it. In primaries voters have a right to information on all candidates. Has she made any 'inclusive' statements? I do not watch MSM so am out of that loop and that is where it might have happened. I have not heart any attempt to recognize any of the Senator Sanders issues. DWS is very close to clinton.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)This is NOT THE MOMENT to score revenge points against the Party whose infrastructure and network you need.
Either Bernie is purposely playing stupid, or his ever-growing ego is pushing him to increasingly extreme behavior and rhetoric.
YOU DO NOT TRY TO BRING DOWN the chair of a national party while said party is fighting a National General Election.
Most people would agree that DWS has NOT been the most saavy or energetic of chairs, but, for God's sake, any idiot knows you DO NOT CHANGE HORSES in the middle of the proverbial stream!
The new President traditionally appoints a new DNC Chair, but AFTER the election, and for good reason.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2030722
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512028098#post86
cali
(114,904 posts)That's my problem with her
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Good thing she hasn't always succeded. Her kind are a cancer to the party.
Sweet Freedom
(3,995 posts)however, I do believe her actions have significanty contributed to the lack of unity within the Democratic Party. She has failed to fight for the collective good of the party and instead has pushed her own personal preferences, leading to a huge loss in the midterm elections and at the Florida state level. She then failed to support all the Democratic candidates for presidency in this election cycle and instead showed favoritism towards HRC. She left many O'Malley and Sandra supporters feeling as if they had no voice within this party and has continued to alienate anyone who does not support Clinton. Her favoritism towards friends, both Democratic and Republican, has contributed to disunity, which was preventable and I think that is the major complaint about DWS.