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bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:43 PM May 2016

I am not a big DWS fan

She's a bad spokesperson on tv and her scheduling of the debates was hard to make sense of. If she loses her primary, I won't be crying in my beer.

But to blame her for the fact that a majority of Democrats have not voted to nominate Bernie Sanders is absurd. The position of DNC chair carries with it little unilateral power, and her haters in the Bernie camp are ascribing to her more power than she actually has.

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I am not a big DWS fan (Original Post) bluestateguy May 2016 OP
It's DU; we prefer simplistic scapegoats to acknowledging the world is complicated Recursion May 2016 #1
Basically the entire internet "prefer simplistic scapegoats to acknowledging the world is complicate Dem2 May 2016 #3
As the cartoon says... Recursion May 2016 #4
Lol Dem2 May 2016 #7
Part human nature, part anger, part propaganda. nt BootinUp May 2016 #10
If Canova can beat her in the primary, I suspect he can win the district. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #14
We have been fighting payday lenders here at the state level Ash_F May 2016 #2
Since you brought up DWS Kelvin Mace May 2016 #5
Until reading your post edgineered May 2016 #8
It would be the only thing that would make me consider voting for HRC Kelvin Mace May 2016 #11
Payday Lending is bad, so is advocating prison for medical marijuana users. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #15
"But to blame her for the fact that a majority of Democrats have not..." hellofromreddit May 2016 #6
Her support for payday loan sharks and throwing medical mj patients in jail is sick riderinthestorm May 2016 #9
she is head of the party oldandhappy May 2016 #12
No, I blame her for working with Sheldon Adelson to send cancer patients to prison for pot smoking. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #13
Here's what I had to say in another thread about Bern's onslaught against DWS: Surya Gayatri May 2016 #16
Payday Debbie is corrupt cali May 2016 #17
She is so biased that she has done everything to sabotage Sanders. Betty Karlson May 2016 #18
I don't blame her for that; Sweet Freedom May 2016 #19
Not a DWS fan. . . . to me that tells me you are not from the upper 1%. pdsimdars May 2016 #20

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
1. It's DU; we prefer simplistic scapegoats to acknowledging the world is complicated
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:10 PM
May 2016

Personally I'd love to see her get successfully primaried... right up until it turns out Canova can't hold that seat, at which point it stops being funny.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
3. Basically the entire internet "prefer simplistic scapegoats to acknowledging the world is complicate
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. If Canova can beat her in the primary, I suspect he can win the district.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:32 AM
May 2016

He won't have private prison or payday lender lobbyists backing him up, but he's made friends I think.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
5. Since you brought up DWS
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016

I would point out you don't mention her most egregious sin, supporting predatory lenders. So, if HRC wants Sanders voters, here is a very simple thing she can do, that is entirely in keeping with Democratic ideals:

Repudiate DWS because of her endorsement of Pay Day Lender. State categorically that such support is wrong, and because of it, *if elected* she will fire DWS as chair, and will NOT give her any appointment in her administration.

Such an act would go a LONG way to helping convince Sanders voters such as myself to support HRC in the general.

But I will predict right now that this will never happen. Worse, people will make excuses for why it can't happen, claiming it is "not pragmatic" or that I am asking for a Unicorn.

I would think that DWS' metaphorical head on a Pike is a pretty damned cheap price for Sanders supporter's votes.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
8. Until reading your post
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:01 AM
May 2016

putting any support behind Clinton was unimaginable.

I would think that DWS' metaphorical head on a Pike is a pretty damned cheap price for Sanders supporter's votes.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
11. It would be the only thing that would make me consider voting for HRC
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:11 AM
May 2016

In the general. It is a pretty simple demand, and every excuse they can offer for not doing it would just make my point about her utter lack of ethics and morality.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. Payday Lending is bad, so is advocating prison for medical marijuana users.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:34 AM
May 2016

the fact that she allied herself with sheldon adelson to defeat medical marijuana reform in florida is pretty bad, too.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
6. "But to blame her for the fact that a majority of Democrats have not..."
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016

Who's making that claim? People are saying she's part of the reason, but I don't know of anyone who says she's the entire reason Bernie is behind.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
9. Her support for payday loan sharks and throwing medical mj patients in jail is sick
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:08 AM
May 2016

And deserves its own derision.

I dont think there's many who blame DWS entirely for Bernie’s current position. She's part of the problem though, certainly, and the stunning Democratic losses under her DNC leadership are squarely on her.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
12. she is head of the party
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:51 AM
May 2016

Sometimes thread of the party has t take the heat for events. She did constrict the debates but I am sure clinton was in on it. I hold her responsible for the media back out -- that was a manipulation. Maybe she and clint did not personally meet with owners, but they were in on it. Too well choreographed for her guiding hand not to have been in on it. In primaries voters have a right to information on all candidates. Has she made any 'inclusive' statements? I do not watch MSM so am out of that loop and that is where it might have happened. I have not heart any attempt to recognize any of the Senator Sanders issues. DWS is very close to clinton.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
16. Here's what I had to say in another thread about Bern's onslaught against DWS:
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:41 AM
May 2016
Virulently attacking the Chair of the Party under whose auspices you are running for office DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE to the crucial and delicate unification of said party, a sine qua non for fighting on a united front in the General Election.

This is NOT THE MOMENT to score revenge points against the Party whose infrastructure and network you need.

Either Bernie is purposely playing stupid, or his ever-growing ego is pushing him to increasingly extreme behavior and rhetoric.

YOU DO NOT TRY TO BRING DOWN the chair of a national party while said party is fighting a National General Election.

Most people would agree that DWS has NOT been the most saavy or energetic of chairs, but, for God's sake, any idiot knows you DO NOT CHANGE HORSES in the middle of the proverbial stream!

The new President traditionally appoints a new DNC Chair, but AFTER the election, and for good reason.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2030722

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512028098#post86
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
18. She is so biased that she has done everything to sabotage Sanders.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:12 AM
May 2016

Good thing she hasn't always succeded. Her kind are a cancer to the party.

Sweet Freedom

(3,995 posts)
19. I don't blame her for that;
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:53 AM
May 2016

however, I do believe her actions have significanty contributed to the lack of unity within the Democratic Party. She has failed to fight for the collective good of the party and instead has pushed her own personal preferences, leading to a huge loss in the midterm elections and at the Florida state level. She then failed to support all the Democratic candidates for presidency in this election cycle and instead showed favoritism towards HRC. She left many O'Malley and Sandra supporters feeling as if they had no voice within this party and has continued to alienate anyone who does not support Clinton. Her favoritism towards friends, both Democratic and Republican, has contributed to disunity, which was preventable and I think that is the major complaint about DWS.

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