2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYour electoral system is so long! How come the Super Delegates endorsed
Mrs. Clinton so soon? To me, they should have waited to see who else was running and see who is a more viable candidate! I am really confused how elections work in America. Just asking!
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Same old same old, nothing will ever change with the status quo!
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)and see who is most presidential rather than endorsing the status quo!
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)media and pollsters, like Nate Silver, tried to chase him away, too. They've been reporting the impossibility of Sanders winning since February.
Do you judge the Democratic Party by their words or actions?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)People who support someone like to express that support sooner rather than later. That's true in all walks of life.
In 2008, quite a few superdelegates ended up switching allegiance to honor the primary results. All of the superdelegate talk is much ado about nothing. They aren't the reason Clinton has a substantial lead in pledged delegates.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)It's all a convoluted mess and it is done intentionally.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)not that simple. Every time we vote for a person whom we think is viable and before you know it, that person reneges on his/her promises.
These presidents take us for a ride just to get votes, I never thought this crap happens in developed countries. Third world countries, for sure!
To be honest with you, I really think President Obama tried, but those republicans stifled him all the way. Glad he did some important issues using his Presidential creds.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)still supporting the same old! So sorry to say this, but I really do not think Mrs. Clinton is rallying for poor people! Her husband suffocated the working class!
JVS
(61,935 posts)Rolling out the superdelegates early is one of the tactics she has used in both 2008 and 2012 to defend her status as front-runner.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)endorsed her before even knowing who the other candidates were. Just shows that birds of a feather stick together!
I could not believe that Bill O'Malley did not gain any traction, his policies were similar to Mr. Sanders, but am glad that Mr. Sanders is not giving up.
Guess the Super Delegates proclaimed their winner already!
longship
(40,416 posts)We take, from evidence here at DU, over four years, which is utter fucking bonkers.
In my opinion, candidates should announce their candidacy in late spring during election year with a very compressed primary season a bit later, and the national conventions in September.
That at least brings back some sanity to the system.
Total campaign mode, all the time, does nobody any good.
And the UK, and other countries, do it in six weeks.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)wanted the electorate to know the candidates which worked out fine, but I really thought that the NDP would have won. No, NDP lost and lost a lot of seats too. Mr. Trudeau won and to tell you the truth, I am not impressed with some of the things he is advocating! We will just have to wait and see.
longship
(40,416 posts)And I remember Pierre Trudeau.
(And Henri Richard!! The pocket rocket! Go Habs!)
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)last year, he is trying his best. Price of oil is killing us though, hope the price changes!
longship
(40,416 posts)Including CBC on shortwave, "Hockey Night in Canada", and the original, "As It Happens" (copied by NPR as "All Things Considered" . Plus, CKLW in Windsor had Bill Kennedy hosting old movies daily at 1PM (often not sober).
You guys get all the good things before we do.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)The only thing we have better than some of you is medicare. Our system is fantastic.
longship
(40,416 posts)But you have a fucking beautiful country.
I often vacationed in Algoma, north of Lake Superior, certainly one place which can be justifiably called god's country. The continental divide is about 100 miles north of the largest fresh water lake on the planet. Every drop of water north of that point flows into the Arctic Ocean. Everything south of that point flows into the largest lake on the planet. It is a jaw-dropping incredible place, and a wonderfully beautiful wilderness.
And when the continental divide is so close to such a huge body of water there is going to be many, many waterfalls. And there are.
My best.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Whistler comes to mind?
My best to you too, was lovely exchanging messages with you.
All the best
longship
(40,416 posts)It has the oldest exposed rock on the continent, the Pre-Cambrian Shield, cut by glaciers. Geologists have wet dreams when they visit there.
It is an astounding place. As is much of your glorious country. I've been to Toronto many times, and nearby Niagara Falls, and Georgian Bay on the Canada side of Lake Huron. I've been as far west as Regina. Sadly, not to the Canadian Rockies. I've even camped on a tributary of the Albany River, which flows into Hudson Bay. Flew back to get there, on a Dehavilland Beaver, the best bush plane ever. So they say. That was quite a few decades ago. Will never forget it.
Joob
(1,065 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)candidate, an independent running as a Democrat and Bill Omalley! Where are all the educated people in America? Have they gone fucking AWOL?
elleng
(130,975 posts)they were well paid and/or strong-armed.
Elections 'work' very badly here, and getting worse every day.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Where the hell are the educated people of America who wants to change the status quo, expect having Trump as a President?
I was talking to my aunt who lives in NY last weekend and I told her, brace yourself, you will be getting a Trump presidency, she said, hell no! I hope that buffoon does not get elected.
elleng
(130,975 posts)Where the hell are the educated people of America who wants to change the status quo?
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts).
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)It revealed who Bernie is...imagine saying Hillary is one of the 'lesser of two evils'. He lost because he did not have the votes. Hillary beat him fair and square...and now he comes off as whiny and bitter.
elleng
(130,975 posts)but someones have decided they'd brand him and his supporters that way and foolish people have adopted those memes because they're not thoughtful enough to come up with better ways of expressing their disagreement with his points of view.
moriah
(8,311 posts)I know why, for example, Lottie Shackelford from Arkansas declared her support from Hillary -- was at the Super Tuesday watch party here in LR and heard her give an interview. She wasn't bought by the Clintons -- instead, they had a long, cooperative relationship when he was governor and she admires Hillary in particular.
But following tradition set in 2008 with supers following pledged delegates, instead of as in 2008 when Hillary started out with a lot of vanity endorsements but those flipped as Obama became more likely to win, this time they've stayed where they are. If Bernie does pull off a pledged delegate victory, they will switch then to make sure enough give him 2383.
And with only one more truly decisive primary day, there's little reason for them to switch now.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Had worked side by side with both Hillary and Bernie.
The other side is how many here made a decision early to support one of the candidates? I did. And if you remember there was lot of pressure for the candidates to declare early.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Bernie Sanders lost the primary..it does not matter who the supers supported initially...he had a shot and lost. Now, he thinks supers would ever choose him? He lost by all measures and should concede and endorse.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Simply put.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Part of a candidate's campaign is to seek out prominent members of the state or district a candidate wants to represent and ask for their endorsement. It helps if they know the candidate and that candidate has helped them in the past.
Super Delegates just ratify the process...
Nothing nefarious, nothing mysterious...
The Supers could have changed their minds when BS announced his candidacy. For whatever the reason they just weren't all that into him.