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akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:56 AM May 2016

Your electoral system is so long! How come the Super Delegates endorsed

Mrs. Clinton so soon? To me, they should have waited to see who else was running and see who is a more viable candidate! I am really confused how elections work in America. Just asking!

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Your electoral system is so long! How come the Super Delegates endorsed (Original Post) akbacchus_BC May 2016 OP
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Attorney in Texas May 2016 #1
Guess you mean Mrs. Clinton is a Wall Street advocate! akbacchus_BC May 2016 #4
That is a question many of us were asking a year ago. What is the rush? HubertHeaver May 2016 #2
I too do not understand the rush to endorse. At least wait akbacchus_BC May 2016 #5
The Dem Party shut the door in Sanders face before the process began. He wasn't welcome and the WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #29
Early endorsements are the norm. Garrett78 May 2016 #34
We don't even know how it works anymore and that is the problem. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #3
Then you all have to try and make changes but I know it is akbacchus_BC May 2016 #6
Paid off is the simple answer. highprincipleswork May 2016 #7
This is what makes me so angry, why isn't the working class and the middle class akbacchus_BC May 2016 #8
Are you familiar with the gaming term "Spawn Camping"? JVS May 2016 #9
Sorry, not familiar with that term. I am just so sad that the Super Delegates akbacchus_BC May 2016 #10
The UK does it in a few weeks. longship May 2016 #11
So do us in Canada, this time it took longer, three effing months. Guess Harper akbacchus_BC May 2016 #14
You guys are still doing pretty good. longship May 2016 #16
Thank you, we are. I voted for Justin Trudeau. Met him at Pride akbacchus_BC May 2016 #18
Having grown up in Detroit, I had access to Canadian media. longship May 2016 #19
Good for you that you see our news. Me, I love CNN And MSNBC. akbacchus_BC May 2016 #20
That is for sure. longship May 2016 #21
You sound very poetic! Are you referring to Niagara Falls, -- that is in Toronto. Am in BC, akbacchus_BC May 2016 #22
Algoma is the area north of Lake Superior. longship May 2016 #23
Deter other candidates, sway voters showcasing her power. Pretty simple. We ask why. But we know. Joob May 2016 #12
I always ask myself, how come a country of 440 million people can run a dead beat akbacchus_BC May 2016 #15
They didn't care or want to wait, elleng May 2016 #13
Still El, the best is only Hilary Clinton, look at how her husband is rooting for her! akbacchus_BC May 2016 #17
I've been wondering the same thing, akbacchus, elleng May 2016 #30
Because our system is corrupt Sky Masterson May 2016 #24
the system is fine Demsrule86 May 2016 #28
In NO way does Senator Sanders express as 'whiny and bitter,' elleng May 2016 #31
SD endorsements are kind of a vanity. moriah May 2016 #25
Many of the earlier endorsements came from congressional members who Thinkingabout May 2016 #26
No you are not Demsrule86 May 2016 #27
It was Hillary's turn. We don't have real campaigns with informed voters. It's her turn. snowy owl May 2016 #32
It is no different than running for any other office in the United States. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #33

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
4. Guess you mean Mrs. Clinton is a Wall Street advocate!
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:59 AM
May 2016

Same old same old, nothing will ever change with the status quo!

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
5. I too do not understand the rush to endorse. At least wait
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:01 AM
May 2016

and see who is most presidential rather than endorsing the status quo!

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
29. The Dem Party shut the door in Sanders face before the process began. He wasn't welcome and the
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:14 AM
May 2016

media and pollsters, like Nate Silver, tried to chase him away, too. They've been reporting the impossibility of Sanders winning since February.

Do you judge the Democratic Party by their words or actions?

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
34. Early endorsements are the norm.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

People who support someone like to express that support sooner rather than later. That's true in all walks of life.

In 2008, quite a few superdelegates ended up switching allegiance to honor the primary results. All of the superdelegate talk is much ado about nothing. They aren't the reason Clinton has a substantial lead in pledged delegates.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
3. We don't even know how it works anymore and that is the problem.
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:58 AM
May 2016

It's all a convoluted mess and it is done intentionally.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
6. Then you all have to try and make changes but I know it is
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:04 AM
May 2016

not that simple. Every time we vote for a person whom we think is viable and before you know it, that person reneges on his/her promises.

These presidents take us for a ride just to get votes, I never thought this crap happens in developed countries. Third world countries, for sure!

To be honest with you, I really think President Obama tried, but those republicans stifled him all the way. Glad he did some important issues using his Presidential creds.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
8. This is what makes me so angry, why isn't the working class and the middle class
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:09 AM
May 2016

still supporting the same old! So sorry to say this, but I really do not think Mrs. Clinton is rallying for poor people! Her husband suffocated the working class!

JVS

(61,935 posts)
9. Are you familiar with the gaming term "Spawn Camping"?
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:11 AM
May 2016

Rolling out the superdelegates early is one of the tactics she has used in both 2008 and 2012 to defend her status as front-runner.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
10. Sorry, not familiar with that term. I am just so sad that the Super Delegates
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:15 AM
May 2016

endorsed her before even knowing who the other candidates were. Just shows that birds of a feather stick together!

I could not believe that Bill O'Malley did not gain any traction, his policies were similar to Mr. Sanders, but am glad that Mr. Sanders is not giving up.

Guess the Super Delegates proclaimed their winner already!

longship

(40,416 posts)
11. The UK does it in a few weeks.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:16 AM
May 2016

We take, from evidence here at DU, over four years, which is utter fucking bonkers.

In my opinion, candidates should announce their candidacy in late spring during election year with a very compressed primary season a bit later, and the national conventions in September.

That at least brings back some sanity to the system.

Total campaign mode, all the time, does nobody any good.

And the UK, and other countries, do it in six weeks.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
14. So do us in Canada, this time it took longer, three effing months. Guess Harper
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:19 AM
May 2016

wanted the electorate to know the candidates which worked out fine, but I really thought that the NDP would have won. No, NDP lost and lost a lot of seats too. Mr. Trudeau won and to tell you the truth, I am not impressed with some of the things he is advocating! We will just have to wait and see.

longship

(40,416 posts)
16. You guys are still doing pretty good.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:24 AM
May 2016

And I remember Pierre Trudeau.

(And Henri Richard!! The pocket rocket! Go Habs!)



akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
18. Thank you, we are. I voted for Justin Trudeau. Met him at Pride
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:28 AM
May 2016

last year, he is trying his best. Price of oil is killing us though, hope the price changes!

longship

(40,416 posts)
19. Having grown up in Detroit, I had access to Canadian media.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:42 AM
May 2016

Including CBC on shortwave, "Hockey Night in Canada", and the original, "As It Happens" (copied by NPR as "All Things Considered&quot . Plus, CKLW in Windsor had Bill Kennedy hosting old movies daily at 1PM (often not sober).

You guys get all the good things before we do.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
20. Good for you that you see our news. Me, I love CNN And MSNBC.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:46 AM
May 2016

The only thing we have better than some of you is medicare. Our system is fantastic.

longship

(40,416 posts)
21. That is for sure.
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:15 AM
May 2016

But you have a fucking beautiful country.

I often vacationed in Algoma, north of Lake Superior, certainly one place which can be justifiably called god's country. The continental divide is about 100 miles north of the largest fresh water lake on the planet. Every drop of water north of that point flows into the Arctic Ocean. Everything south of that point flows into the largest lake on the planet. It is a jaw-dropping incredible place, and a wonderfully beautiful wilderness.

And when the continental divide is so close to such a huge body of water there is going to be many, many waterfalls. And there are.

My best.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
22. You sound very poetic! Are you referring to Niagara Falls, -- that is in Toronto. Am in BC,
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:18 AM
May 2016

Whistler comes to mind?

My best to you too, was lovely exchanging messages with you.

All the best

longship

(40,416 posts)
23. Algoma is the area north of Lake Superior.
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:46 AM
May 2016

It has the oldest exposed rock on the continent, the Pre-Cambrian Shield, cut by glaciers. Geologists have wet dreams when they visit there.

It is an astounding place. As is much of your glorious country. I've been to Toronto many times, and nearby Niagara Falls, and Georgian Bay on the Canada side of Lake Huron. I've been as far west as Regina. Sadly, not to the Canadian Rockies. I've even camped on a tributary of the Albany River, which flows into Hudson Bay. Flew back to get there, on a Dehavilland Beaver, the best bush plane ever. So they say. That was quite a few decades ago. Will never forget it.


akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
15. I always ask myself, how come a country of 440 million people can run a dead beat
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:22 AM
May 2016

candidate, an independent running as a Democrat and Bill Omalley! Where are all the educated people in America? Have they gone fucking AWOL?

elleng

(130,975 posts)
13. They didn't care or want to wait,
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:17 AM
May 2016

they were well paid and/or strong-armed.

Elections 'work' very badly here, and getting worse every day.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
17. Still El, the best is only Hilary Clinton, look at how her husband is rooting for her!
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:25 AM
May 2016

Where the hell are the educated people of America who wants to change the status quo, expect having Trump as a President?

I was talking to my aunt who lives in NY last weekend and I told her, brace yourself, you will be getting a Trump presidency, she said, hell no! I hope that buffoon does not get elected.

elleng

(130,975 posts)
30. I've been wondering the same thing, akbacchus,
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

Where the hell are the educated people of America who wants to change the status quo?

Demsrule86

(68,593 posts)
28. the system is fine
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:07 AM
May 2016

It revealed who Bernie is...imagine saying Hillary is one of the 'lesser of two evils'. He lost because he did not have the votes. Hillary beat him fair and square...and now he comes off as whiny and bitter.

elleng

(130,975 posts)
31. In NO way does Senator Sanders express as 'whiny and bitter,'
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

but someones have decided they'd brand him and his supporters that way and foolish people have adopted those memes because they're not thoughtful enough to come up with better ways of expressing their disagreement with his points of view.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
25. SD endorsements are kind of a vanity.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:48 AM
May 2016

I know why, for example, Lottie Shackelford from Arkansas declared her support from Hillary -- was at the Super Tuesday watch party here in LR and heard her give an interview. She wasn't bought by the Clintons -- instead, they had a long, cooperative relationship when he was governor and she admires Hillary in particular.

But following tradition set in 2008 with supers following pledged delegates, instead of as in 2008 when Hillary started out with a lot of vanity endorsements but those flipped as Obama became more likely to win, this time they've stayed where they are. If Bernie does pull off a pledged delegate victory, they will switch then to make sure enough give him 2383.

And with only one more truly decisive primary day, there's little reason for them to switch now.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
26. Many of the earlier endorsements came from congressional members who
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:59 AM
May 2016

Had worked side by side with both Hillary and Bernie.

The other side is how many here made a decision early to support one of the candidates? I did. And if you remember there was lot of pressure for the candidates to declare early.

Demsrule86

(68,593 posts)
27. No you are not
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:05 AM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders lost the primary..it does not matter who the supers supported initially...he had a shot and lost. Now, he thinks supers would ever choose him? He lost by all measures and should concede and endorse.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
33. It is no different than running for any other office in the United States.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:43 PM
May 2016

Part of a candidate's campaign is to seek out prominent members of the state or district a candidate wants to represent and ask for their endorsement. It helps if they know the candidate and that candidate has helped them in the past.

Super Delegates just ratify the process...

Nothing nefarious, nothing mysterious...

The Supers could have changed their minds when BS announced his candidacy. For whatever the reason they just weren't all that into him.

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