Has Bernie donated to ANY downticket Democrats? Hillary has.

[LaydeeBug]

And we all know that the GOP will obstruct no matter which dem is in office...

So what has Bernie done to help any of these good people?

[pinebox]

1. He endorsed DWS opponent

[Jack Bone]

3. nice...nt

[asuhornets]

4. Something he should have not got involved in..Makes him look petty...nt

[pangaia]

9. It makes him look HONEST, unlike the other Democratic candidate.

[asuhornets]

16. Honesty?

This is not a high school popularity contest...It's politics..He is mad with DWS- it's tic for tac...with Bernie

[pangaia]

17. tic for tac??

[ThePhilosopher04]

38. There's a toe in their somewhere!

[.99center]

47. The call to replace DWS started long before Bernie, it shows he's acting on the behalf

Of the millions of Democrats that want to see her go. That's how Democracy is supposed to work, this isn't high school, you don't get to stay in the party based on who your friends are.

[pinebox]

86. Yes honesty

Speaking what you believe in and standing up for it. That is what this is all about. Integrity. Vision. Hope. Change.

[asuhornets]

91. Sanders can have all those things you mentioned but that does not mean he be should President.

He can continue to fight the good fight in Vermont.

[pinebox]

92. Actually it does mean he should be POTUS

Those are qualities people look for. Something which in most instances has gone out the window with politicians. See congressional approval ratings.

[Beacool]

88. No, it makes him a graceless losing candidate who can't accept defeat.

It's tough to lose, but at some point a person needs to realize that voters chose their opponent over themselves and bow out with class.

[pinebox]

93. Uh some can't accept they're under an FBI investigation.

Just sayin'

[Beacool]

97. So?

That's all some of you have. A sick hope that Hillary will be indicted. Well, don't hold your breath.

[pinebox]

99. A presidential candidate under an FBI investigation warrants a "so"?

Are you kidding us? You act like that's no big deal when in fact it's flippin' gigantic.
You're so blinded by the love your candidate that you can't see the forest through the trees.
Who said anything about a hope of an indictment? Nobody.
The fact of the matter is, Hillary is under a federal criminal investigation.
Period. FULL STOP.

[AgingAmerican]

132. The fact she is under active FBI investigation get's a 'So' from you?

'It's all you have!'

Um, it's political suicide to run a candidate under FBI investigation.

[uponit7771]

104. No, it's pretty petty and bolsters an unfair meme about the DNC

[pinebox]

10. Endorsing a candidate makes him look petty?

Could the same then not be said for all those senators who endorsed Hillary?

[asuhornets]

14. ..He's upset with DWS--and he is wearing on his sleeves..

not a good look.

[pinebox]

25. Huh?

Wearing what on his sleeve?

It's a good look when you endorse the guy who is running against the incumbent who helped get Republicans elected and is pro-payday loan companies.

[asuhornets]

26. He is showing his emotions of anger for all to see...Makes him look petty.

[pinebox]

94. You're damn right he is! The people are pissed in this country

and rightfully so!

[asuhornets]

95. The repug primary voters are extremely pissed

that's why they gave their establishment Trump--punishment you see...But Democrat voters are not as pissed, that's why we are getting Hillary. Now many of us are pissed just not as pissed.

[pinebox]

98. I have news for you

People all over are pissed.
Look at Hillary's numbers, she has some of the lowest numbers in the history of Dem primaries. Hr unfavorable are through the roof.

[asuhornets]

100. She's been in (national) politics for 30years&the right-wings smears have worked to a certain degree

Many of the young voters were not even born when all that stuff was going on. So all they know are the negatives...

[pinebox]

101. The FBI is NOT a RW smear. Sorry.

[asuhornets]

110. of course it is.. Judicial Watch they are the ones making all these information request.

[pinebox]

117. The FBI is investigating Hillary, it's a criminal investigation.

The FBI is not RW, they fall under the DOJ which is under the power of the Obama administration.

Judical Watch is a whole other case and it's civil. http://time.com/4337518/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-watch-civil-lawsuit/

She has so many controversies, you can't keep up, eh? lol

[asuhornets]

118. come on now..it is not a criminal investigation

[pinebox]

119. The FBI ONLY does criminal investigations. What else would it be? It's a criminal investigation.

[AgingAmerican]

120. The FBI isn't doing an 'information request'

It's doing an investigation and it was launched by Obama's Attorney General

[asuhornets]

122. ok..but...won't be any indictment...so u r going to have to wish for something else by Jun 7th

[pinebox]

123. Do you have a crystal ball? Are you in the "know"?

No you aren't and either are I so in other words, to quote Star Wars--"Only a Sith deals in absolutes".

[asuhornets]

127. Yes I have a crystal ball and yes I am in the "know".

Even if she was indicted-and she won't be---Joe Biden will jump in--So Sanders won't win either way.

[AgingAmerican]

125. Do you have proof nobody will be indicted?

If so, show it.

If anyone is indicted over her email server, her chances at winning the general election will drop to zero.

[asuhornets]

130. Hillary has more votes than Trump has more votes than Sanders.

She will win the GE.

[AgingAmerican]

131. Do you have proof nobody will be indicted?

If so, show it. If there are a ANY indictments, Trump wins.

I believe if there are any arrests or indictments before November, she will drop out of the race. Running her is, at this point, political suicide.

[asuhornets]

133. Trump will lose big time in the GE..nt

[AgingAmerican]

134. If there are any indictments, she drops out

[asuhornets]

135. Nope. sorry..not sorry--won't be no indictments...

[AgingAmerican]

137. And that is the problem with her supporters

They refuse to acknowledge the reality of what is at stake.

[asuhornets]

138. This FBI email situation has been going on forever..not to mention her

11-hour spectacular performance Benghazi hearing. If they were going to indict, it would have happened already. Trust me the repugs are not saving anything for later..

[AgingAmerican]

139. And if and when there is an indictment

It will be her supporters and surrogates fault for shoving an inferior, tainted candidate down the Democratic electorate's collective throat.

Benghazi isn't and wasn't an FBI investigation, sorry.

[asuhornets]

140. so the only way for Sanders to win--is indictment of Hillary Clinton?

[ThePhilosopher04]

39. It's a great look. DWS is the problem. She needs to go. Good job Bernie!

[timmymoff]

23. all her supporters are petty

isn't a secret.

[asuhornets]

27. Not true..Hillary supporters are cool. calm, and collective... like her..n/t

[frylock]

64. Just like her.

[Silver_Witch]

54. Ohhh SNAP!

[Bluenorthwest]

12. You know what shouldn't be? The Chair should not be glaringly biased. Debbie indulges in

holding both power and favoritism toward a candidate, this makes her look petty. She is the most unpopular figure in our Party for a reason, and that's one big reason. Then there is her support for predatory lenders that exploit poor communities. Horrible.
Do you favor usury and payday lending companies?

[asuhornets]

18. No I do not favor usury and payday lending companies.

But I have to admit I did business with them some years ago because I needed the money. Bernie Sanders has been accusing DWS of favoritism from the beginning. Both Hillary & DWS are Democrats-DWS didn't deny Sanders the opportunity to run as a Democrat...She could have made a big deal about it but she didn't. What does he want from her? I admit the debate schedule was horrible in the beginning. But more debates were added.

[ThePhilosopher04]

42. She's awful and bad for America. If Bernie wants her out, she needs to go. I trust Bernie!

[asuhornets]

43. Bernie Sanders will not have any impact on whether DWS stay or go. Her term is almost up anyway.

[ThePhilosopher04]

44. He'll have a major influence on whether she wins reelection or not. Tim Canova receiving big support

from Bernie donors nationwide. GO TIM CANOVA!

[pangaia]

65. "But I have to admit I did business with them some years ago because I needed the money"

Now .. that sounds exactly how Clinton operates.. she follows the money like a Hoover.

So you obviously have chosen the correct candidate for you.

[Silver_Witch]

51. You ask if he supports down ticket Dems...

Then dismiss that he has!
No winning with you all!

[Skwmom]

80. It makes him look like he doesn't support predatory payday lenders.

[LaydeeBug]

11. Did he donate to them? You know, "money where your mouth is" nt

edit: typo

[asuhornets]

19. Exactly.. Sanders cares about Sanders only.

[ThePhilosopher04]

46. Bullshit. Bernie is the only candidate who cares about real Americans.

Hillary only cares about corporations and what's in it for her. Bernie good for America. Hillary bad for America.

[asuhornets]

70. Sanders want everyone else to do all the hard work...nt

[ThePhilosopher04]

72. False. You mean Hillary.

[asuhornets]

73. Nope. He said he was president, he wanted to see protesters outside of Sen.McConnells office

to make the repugs do the right thing. Good luck with that

[ThePhilosopher04]

81. So, if the American people don't hold them accountable, who will?

Hillary sure as hell can't, and won't do it. And we all know the current Dem congress are a bunch of pushovers and suck-ups.

[timmymoff]

115. Thank you for confirming what little fight Hillary supporters have

Many of us have said this all along, but your confirmation is golden, like Ponyboy.

[pangaia]

66. double bullshit.

Clinton cares about Clinton.
Sanders cares about human beings.

Either you don't see it and are blind.
OR

you Do see it and.......

[asuhornets]

71. I don't see it at all..It's all rhetoric..

[pangaia]

74. You used the word rhetoric in the incorrect context.

[asuhornets]

77. Yes I saw that. But you knew what I was talking about...

[pangaia]

79. No, I do not know what you arw talking about.

[asuhornets]

82. arw? I knew you meant are....

[pangaia]

85. see my sig..

I still do not know what you are talking about.

What did you mean instead of retorik?

[asuhornets]

89. All talk on Bernie Sanders behalf. Does he get along with people in Congress-doesn't seem like it

In politics you need allies. Doesn't seem like he has any. Nor want any.

[litlbilly]

108. Oh Oh asuh, who is the most liked senator in the county? here ya go

https://morningconsult.com/2015/11/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-popular-senator-in-america/

Try again

[GreatGazoo]

49. he is fund raising for Canova

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280846-sanders-fundraising-for-opponent-of-dnc-chair

[tonyt53]

55. And exactly how does that help Democrats take at least the Senate in November?

[JonLeibowitz]

83. Perhaps you should re-read the title of the OP?

[tonyt53]

129. Oh, but i did. I also understood it. You should try the same.

[LanternWaste]

136. 49 posts in and we finally see one democrat he's assisting.

49 posts in and we finally see one democrat he's assisting.

[MrMickeysMom]

75. That, AND brought MILLIONS into the voting booth FOR candidates...

THAT IS PRICELESS

[scscholar]

103. Which was driven by hate, not a desire to help

That doesn't count.

[arcane1]

106. A desire to replace failed right-wingers with actual progressives.

I hate right-wing policies too.

[w4rma]

2. Seeking Allies in Revolution, Sanders Backs Progressive Women for Congress

Bernie Sanders is asking his committed donor base—which has propelled him to fundraising records month after month—to also support three progressive U.S. House candidates in the 2016 election.
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/04/13/seeking-allies-revolution-sanders-backs-progressive-women-congress

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver wrote in a fundraising email for Tim Canova, the day after the presidential candidate announced he would back Canova's primary campaign against Wasserman Schultz.

“Tim endorsed Bernie’s presidential campaign, and was inspired to run because of Wasserman Schultz’ support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership,” the email read. “His campaign is funded like ours, by lots of people giving small amounts of money.”
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/florida/2016/05/8599808/sanders-fundraises-rival-wasserman-schultz

[LaydeeBug]

21. he asked OTHERS to donate. Has *he* donated? HRC has. nt

[Silver_Witch]

57. Really to whom has she "donated"?

Who has she given money too? Really show us!

[pangaia]

67. HRC hasn't donated a dime. It is not hermoney.

She asked OTHERS to donate. !!

[Autumn]

5. Yes.

[redstatebluegirl]

8. Who? Other than Wasserman Schultz opponent which makes him look

petty and small.

[Autumn]

29. It's been talked about here. By the way, Pay Day Lender Schultz is small and petty. eom

[Bluenorthwest]

37. Small and petty, unlike the interest rates changed by the predatory lenders she supports....

nt

[Autumn]

45. Ain't that the truth. With democrats like her there is no need to fear what republicans will do to

financially harm the people in order to benefit corporations and banks.

[NorthCarolina]

61. You really think so?

I shot off another donation to his campaign when he came out in favor of DWS' opponent because it's the right choice for true progressives. Besides, no other way to rid the party of pro-wall st. conservatives and replace them with true Democrats that advocate for the common man than to mount and financially support challenges to their position.

[beachbum bob]

6. sanders has a record in not helping any one but sanders.....nothing has changed

[pangaia]

68. Show me...

[uponit7771]

107. you wanna see the non WMBs in Iraq too? come on... proving a negative is.. whatever

[uponit7771]

105. +1

[Bluenorthwest]

7. Can you explain? In 08 Hillary 'donated to others' but also ended up millions in debt, those debts

were paid by donors. So basically she was given money, spent and shared until she was in the red and then was given more money, right? I mean, if I 'give' you $20 I got from Skinner and then repay Skiner with $20 I get from EarlG, have I actually given you $20? I don't think so. I think to give you can't be giving out of negative funds you assume others will cover.
I owe $100 but still give you $20, then others repay all my debts. I have not given a thing.

But I must be confused. Can you explain?

[LaydeeBug]

13. No need to explain...Hillary helped down ticket Democrats *EVEN* when it put her in considerable

debt. She *still* tried to help as many Democrats as possible. She is doing the same, right now.

Is Bernie?

And I am not talking about 'asking others to donate'...I am talking downticket donation....has that happened... at all?

[Bluenorthwest]

20. So what she 'gave' was really just passed through her? Going into debt to 'give' and then

expecting those debts to be paid for you is not actually giving a thing. It's just not.

Look, Hillary spent years claiming she's so Christian she could not support equality for LGBT. That faith has very major rules for giving, also for honesty. I don't see those rules being given so much as a gesture of compliance out of the devout candidate. Jesus himself said that you are not allowed to boast about your giving, if you do you should expect no other reward but the boasting itself.

So what you are saying is she did not really give, others did and she claimed it loudly in public for her own advantage. Now she's using her own passing on of other people's money to bash those who behave honestly.

Hillary has about 30 Million Dollars. So if she really wanted to give and to help, she could do so directly. She does not have to get the money from other people. But that's what she does.

So 'giving' is a term of art that can mean 'kiting a bad check and then getting friends to cover it'. Got it.

[LaydeeBug]

22. what she *gave* is more than *HE* bothered to give...which is nothing but lipservice. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

30. But she did not give, she collected from others and distributed it, keeping all of her own money

right where it always was. Jesus said 'Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no, for anything else comes from evil'.

You are trying to tell me that a person with millions who never gave a dime of her own is superior because she took other people's money, spent her way into debt while handing out favors and then later got another set of other people's money to pay back what she'd 'given' to others.

So she borrowed, 'gave' and then got donations to pay what she'd borrowed, all the while making a huge amount of public noise about that process you are calling 'giving'.

Perhaps Bernie feels the thing to do is to raise actual hard cash and kick that down the line. Perhaps this minuet about looking like one is giving is not his idea of actually giving, because of course it is not. It's moving around other people's money.

If you 'give' to others money you don't have, that's not giving. If that debt is then paid for you, those who paid the debt did the giving.

But your yes and your no have lots of asterisks and explanatory text......

[LaydeeBug]

52. Wrong. She directed funds from her coffers to help others.

Has Sanders?

[Silver_Witch]

58. ^this +1

[timmymoff]

24. actually she really hasn't donated but about 1 %

ironic, she donated the same amount of the only people she actually supports.

[LaydeeBug]

28. and yet *still* 100% more than the one who says he wants "us all"

to be lifted up. Nice.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. In your OP you ask if Bernie has, here you assert that he has not. What's with that?

If you already know the answer, asking the question is an odd choice. You ask us, then you tell us?

Since you are now making assertions, you need to support those assertions with proof. I see none. I see a person playing word games, asking insincere passive aggressive questions.

This shit gets old and it is so toxic.

[timmymoff]

114. I'm betting he needs all the money because

he doesn't have super pacs, lobbyist money, or the DNC in the tank. I am sure you purposefully overlooked that, but hey, it is what it is... rigged, but you support that as well. God Bless the 1% and Hillary supporters for furthering their agenda.

[Autumn]

48. Hillary wasn't in considerable debt by helping down ticket dems. And 'she' didn't pay off the debt

donors did, thanks to Obama. You guys act like she emptied the change in her purse to help others

[moriah]

15. There's some controversy on that one.

State parties are reporting feeling expectations to transfer their share of Hillary Victory Fund proceeds back to the DNC.

The official story about that is that allegedly the DNC will transfer the money to the races they decide are most beneficial for investment for down-ticket races, but some state parties really need the money to modernize primaries, develop infrastructure, etc.

[peace13]

35. Yes! Evidence that Hill took 90 percent of the Clooney donations..

With most of the remainder going to the DNC. She's not Santa Clause...in fact it looked more like looting.

[moriah]

40. Remember, I am a Hillary supporter, but I don't think she walks on water.

I will be fair in my criticism of her when it's deserved. In this case, I hope the DNC wasn't actually putting pressure to return truly needed funds for distribution to battleground states and extremely vital downticket races.

[Blue_Tires]

31. We're not allowed to ask those kinds of questions...

[Bluenorthwest]

33. In the 2008 cycle, Obama did not help the downticket until Hillary left the race.....bad Barack!

From Wall Street Journal: "Sen. Barack Obama, hoping to widen his party’s control of Congress, has started to lend support to down-ticket Democrats.

The approach marks a shift in strategy for the Democratic presidential candidate, who until recently has shunned joint appearances with other candidates. Party congressional strategists said the distancing had frustrated some Democrats, but that Sen. Obama had felt such appearances could dilute his brand and diminish his outsider appeal."

I remember this because we wanted him to do a spot for Jeff Merkley and he wouldn't. His choice. Jeff still won, Barack helped later. At the proper time.

http://modernliberals.com/2008-barack-obama-didnt-start-helping-ticket-dems-hillary-left-race/

[peace13]

36. Hill uses the fundraising to support her own campaign while looking like she is donating to others.

Amazing slight of bankroll!

[Bluenorthwest]

41. They never complained about Obama doing what Bernie is doing but then again, Bernie is

um, different in ways that make smears about money very special.

[Autumn]

50. Yeah, they feed into that stereotype of Jews. They think it's clever but it real obvious.

[JRLeft]

34. More corrupted democrats.

[tonyt53]

53. Not really. he is supporting three people running for house seats and that is it.

Based upon the vote totals in WI (yes, from that long ago) Bernie's followers also do not vote for downticket candidates. For some odd reason, Bernie, and his followers, just do not get the fact that to get anything moving it will take at the very least a Democrat majority in the Senate. I firmly believe that Bernie's supporters, being the political novices that they appear to be, thing the President can do all of those things by themselves. How Bernie thinks that same thing is beyond comprehension. He and his followers have even bashed those fundraisers, like the one held by George Clooney, that raised money for Democrats running for office. Very odd and peculiar at the same time.

[Silver_Witch]

60. What utter bullshit!

I just voted for Bernie in California and with exception of one vote vote straight Dem ticket (voted for a cool guy who wants to stop climate change who is not a dem because well climate is super important in a Cali.

Additionally I have sent MY money to several candidates Bernie has recommended - which by the way often meant Bernie didn't get it.

Lastly in last few campaigns I have both supported Franken and Warren. Neither of whom are my personal representative but whom I believe build a sronger dem party!

So take your broad brush and paint elsewhere.

[tonyt53]

126. You - one person, one vote. No, Bernie has not helped a single Democrat running for the Senate

[WhiteTara]

56. He suggests that others do

but he has not given money. He endorses people who run against those he doesn't like though.

[Thinkingabout]

59. It has been reported Sanders donated $1000 to down ticket candidates. Hillary donated

$10,000 to Sanders when he ran for Senator, he has received down ticket funding himself. He is going to need Hillary help raise the money to retire his campaign debt, instead of this hate from his camp they need to start uniting in order to work together.

[benny05]

62. Bernie is supporting Tim Canova

On Bernie's website, he is helping Tim Canova fundraise in Canova's primary against DWS.

https://berniesanders.com/progressivecongress/

They split the donation.

I sent one. DWS is the worst DNC chairperson ever, and has gone back on supporting Dodd-Frank.

[QC]

63. Did they get to keep any of that money,

or was it laundered through them and put back into HRC's campaign?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670

[frylock]

69. No, Bernie isn't washing money through down-ticket Democrats.

[samsingh]

76. Well he's attacking DWS and arguing that hillary and trump are no different from each other.

Irony impairment?

[tabasco]

78. Please...a link to the donations the Clinton campaign has made.

I just can't accept anything without a cite in GDP.

[apnu]

87. That's a wise decision on your part

GDP is a cesspool of stupidity and trolling.

[snowy owl]

84. WHO CARES?

[Beacool]

90. You should care!!!!

It's not just about him, it's about helping to elect other Democrats to flip Congress. A president can't get his agenda passed through Congress if his party is in the minority.

[bonemachine]

96. I just want to clarify something here:

So, what I'm hearing folks say is that it's bad that Sanders is encouraging folks to donate to down ticket candidates.

And instead, what he should be doing is encouraging them to donate to his campaign, and then donating that money to those same candidates?

What am I missing here?

[arcane1]

102. Hillary's using the downticket Dems to scam donors and launder money n/t

[litlbilly]

109. Not to mention, that is a proven fact.

[arcane1]

111. Yep. Just like women and black lives, downticket Dems are a tool she exploits for cash and votes n/t

[litlbilly]

112. Here's the best answer to this op, its not working Hill people

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512034883

[litlbilly]

113. Bernie does actually support "Good People".

[Yurovsky]

116. Demonstrably false, and it only highlights HER greed...

She has run a scam WRT Democrat money that SHOULD be going to Democrats running this fall. They get screwed over while Hillary gobbles up precious dollars needed elsewhere. Hillary is the very personification of greed. I guarantee she will be the WORST thing to happen to other Democratic candidates in my lifetime. She has tapped out most large Democratic donors, and Lord knows the run of the mill Bernie supporter giving $27 (on average) to Sanders' campaign aren't going to give Hillary a nickel. SHE IS NOTHING BUT A WALL STREET/CORPORATE SHILL.

True progressives will not support her. But maybe you people can convince enough Republicans to vote for her, since those are the values she's embraced.

[lumberjack_jeff]

121. Hillary has? Factually accurate, yet misleading as shit.

Clinton Fundraising Leaves Little for State Parties

The state parties kept only 1% of the money raised by her pacs. The rest went instantly back to the DNC where it was used to fundraise for the official Clinton campaign.

This had the effect of laundering big wall street donations that exceed the limits into small donations that the campaign can legally accept.

[Electric Monk]

128. Now we know which 99% she truly cares about, though some will still deny it. nt

[Autumn]

124. He's a Democratic Socialist. IMO he should only donate to downticket Democratic Socialists and

nice Democrats.