When 14% of Brooklyn Democrats are purged from the voter rolls that's fraud

[think]

Don't give me any lame ass excuses about it being a mistake or blame it on the Republicans. The election board was notified weeks ahead of time and NOTHING was done to address the illegal purge. This is outright fraud and it's disgusting.

Warning of Brooklyn Voter Purge Dates Back Weeks

May 2, 2016 · by Brigid Bergin


When WNYC first asked the city Board of Elections on April 17th why there was such a large drop in active Democrats on the rolls — especially in Brooklyn — BOE Executive Director Michael Ryan was stumped.

“I can't speak to precisely what happened in Brooklyn, you know, during this conversation. It's certainly something I can look into and follow up on," Ryan told WNYC.

The next day, Ryan came back with more information: 126,000 Brooklyn voters had been removed from the active rolls from last fall through April, more than double the initial estimate.

But it turns out, a unit of the City's Campaign Finance Board, which works with the Board of Elections on voter turnout issues, had already been asking about missing voters in early March.

“This started for us when a couple members of our staff actually got this notice from the Board of Elections saying that they had been moved from active to inactive status,” said Eric Friedman, Assistant Executive Director for Public Affairs at the New York City Campaign Finance Board...

Read more:
http://www.wnyc.org/story/warning-brooklyn-voter-purge-dates-back-weeks/

[rjsquirrel]

1. It would have made no difference to the outcome

Did you see Clinton's NYC numbers? And what makes you think that 14% was all Sanders voters?Be real:!she killed him in NYC. It wasn't even close.

[brooklynite]

3. Add to which, I don't recall 100,000 voters showing up and being turned away...

[rjsquirrel]

5. Exactly

I voted in Manhattan. It was smooth. There were no rejected or provisional voters on line there when I voted. And nearly everyone in my prince voted for Hillary.

She crushed him and they're stil trying to litigate it to prove some "rigging" or "fraud" bullshit.

[think]

6. Was there fraud or not? Pathetic you all keep making excuses for fraud rather than addressing it.

[rjsquirrel]

7. No there was not

"Fraud" is Bernie talk for "I got crushed."

[think]

10. So purging 125,000 voters was an accident and the warnings weeks before just weren't done in time

for Democratic members of the election board to speak out?

Is that what you're claiming?

[rjsquirrel]

12. No but you're too butthurt

to discuss things in a non-aggressive way.

Purged voters should have taken responsibility to change their addresses and update their registrations. Sure some were probably unfairly purged but there was no conspiracy and this is how NY has always worked.

And it didn't affect the outcome. So if it was fraud t was pretty pointless.

[think]

13. Fraud is pointless. Democratic members of the board election not speaking out is pointless

You're response is pointless...

[rjsquirrel]

14. It's all pointless

we are all going to die. The world will end.


Nothingness is all.

Why u so Mad bra?

[think]

16. Why are you trying to ignore TRUE fraud and make excuses for it? Don't like dealing with facts?

Guess you'd rather post condescending opinions that ignore reality instead..

[Spacedog1973]

34. I think when you say 'Fraud'

it is on YOU to prove it. Fraud is intentional.

Look at it as a death that occurred. You claim it was murder. But its unknown whether it was manslaughter, suicide, accidental or natural causes. To continue asserting that it was murder, you have to provide proof. People are not doubting that some people may have been purged, but when they question your assertion, thats when you must step up and provide evidence.

I've personally not seen evidence just heard anecdotes which are meaningless.

[think]

55. The BOE was warned WEEKS before the election that legal voters were purged. What did Dems on the

board do? NOTHING.

So keep making excuses for what happened. Make some really big excuses for the Democrats on the board who were warned that legitimate voters were being purged and refused to deal with it before the election.

[Spacedog1973]

63. Where did I make excuses?

You have an incredibly thin skin. Stop throwing accusations around like a child throws toys and address the issue. I asked specifically where you have proof. I am still waiting.

[think]

68. The NY AG is investigating. Is that an anecdote?

[Spacedog1973]

98. Again, you made an assertion

An investigation by its nature is a fact finding mission. Unless it has been completed, then there is no conclusion. Once again, where is your proof or is an accusation/an investigation evidence of wrong doing?

[catnhatnh]

81. Maybe because someone is acting a fool

He asked you about the morality of election fraud. Here's your analogy-a guy holds you up with a gun. Afterward you describe it to a cop. He replies "Well, you had almost no cash so it doesn't matter....".

Now what actually was important to oppose- the action or the outcome???

I would tell the poster that the most pointless thing would be continued dialog with you.

[think]

15. Blaming the voters for this illegal purge is pathetic. What a lame response.

[pinebox]

26. C'mon, you can do better. The NY AG has launched an investigation

into all this.

https://news.vice.com/article/new-york-attorney-general-investigate-alleged-voter-suppression-primary

[LiberalFighter]

102. They weren't purged. They were placed on inactive status. Big difference.

[LiberalFighter]

100. They weren't purged.

They were placed on inactive status.

The headline is wrong in the story. There is not one word about there being a purge. They would be purged if while on inactive status additional criteria is met.

[think]

105. OK. 125,000 Brooklyn Democrats had their status changed to inactive so they were not allowed to vote

except by affidavits which haven't been counted yet.

Is that better?

[J_J_]

32. Hillary campaign had access to Bernie's supporter list

and they used it to purge Bernie voters only.

Notice, there were no Hillary voters complaining that they were purged?

Because they purged Bernie's voters only.

[hack89]

66. So how many voters were turned away at the polls?

and had to fill out provisional ballots? What is that number?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

71. Do you have proof of any of this? nt

[hrmjustin]

78. That is a lie you are spreading.

You should retract it.

I know plenty of Hillary voters like my brother who were purged.

Most of the neighborhoods purged were African American and Hispanic areas that went for Hillary were effected.

You really should know what you are talking about before you talk.

[mythology]

101. This is why I find the claims of election fraud so pathetic

Not only do you provide absolutely no evidence, you ignore the evidence that is there in favor of an ever larger conspiracy.

The third party investigation found that only the Sanders campaign looked at other campaign's data. And yet you're creating a conspiracy that says the Clinton team, the DNC and the investigation team all lied. And you provide zero evidence of what you state as a fact.

[tazkcmo]

61. Not the issue here.

This isn't about "winning" it's about voting. For who ever. I will happily fight along side any political opponent to preserve our rights to fair, transparent and world class elections. How can this not be a concern for every American? It's not an isolated case. Something fishy in Denmark...this concerns us all.

[JackRiddler]

118. Logical fallacy.

Wrong is wrong and fraud is fraud, regardless of your unsubstantiated and preemptive judgement of what the real-world damages might have come of it.

Are you against full investigation? Do you think people capable of purging 120,000 voters illegally are not capable of other forms of fraud?

[Scootaloo]

119. There's an odd sentiment among Clinton supporters

Like regarding weird shenanigans in Nevada? They counter with "Well what about places Bernie won?! Should we investigate those too?!" And the answer from Bernie's supporters is invariably, always, and unanimously YES. And then the Clinton supporter vanishes from the discussion.

There really seems to be two very different outlooks here, clearly defined by the supporters of the two candidates. Clinton supporters seem to think that the ends justify the means. That any amount of unethical or improper or even criminal behavior is acceptable, even admirable so long as you "win" in the end. Sanders supporters though, are rather the opposite, willing to stick to the practice of ethics and do the right thing, even if it is disadvantageous to them personally.

It's actually very illuminating once you notice the pattern. This poster's response is just another example. "So what, it wouldn't change anything!" - well... maybe or maybe not, but that's far from the point. The point is that people were taken off hte rolls who should not have been, and that's a problem. Every last one of them could have been for Clinton for all I give a shit, it's still their removal that is the problem, not the results of that removal.

[gollygee]

2. There have been problems with voters getting purged for a long time

My sister was purged one year here in Michigan. She and I shared an apartment for a while, and it was not long after I moved out, so I think that was 1996.

The issue is that I don't think Hillary is behind it. In fact, I don't see any reason to believe that Bernie voters were targeted - I think it's likely that both Bernie and Hillary voters have been purged.

There are a number of reasons for purges, but the Republican Party is often the cause. They gutted the Voting Rights Act for a reason. Purging voters generally helps them - as does making voting difficult. Generally, the fewer people who vote, the better the GOP does. I imagine there are sometimes administrative errors but I am skeptical of that when used as an excuse. I have no doubt it happens occasionally, but it couldn't possibly be the cause of the amount of purging that has happened in this country. It was the excuse when my sister was purged, but my sister was living in an area with a high percentage of people of color, and everyone in her apartment complex seemed to have been purged. I don't think that's a coincidence.

I agree there is purging and I agree that it needs to stop. I disagree that it's new or that it's being done by Hillary or that Sanders voters are specifically targeted.

[brooklynite]

4. You're not from around here, are you?

The NYC BOE is monumentally incompetent; the only corruption is hiring political hacks to do the work.

[think]

8. There were Dems on the board and they were warned weeks in advance. What was their problem?

Why didn't they speak out?

Seriously...

[brooklynite]

9. Can you direct me to Sanders' formal complaint about the voter purge?

[think]

11. Was there fraud or not? Why didn't Democrats on the board speak out? Good grief....

[brooklynite]

17. Since Sanders doesn't believe there was...

[One of the 99]

18. I voted in Brooklyn and had no problems.

And having some experience with the Brooklyn BOE I would say the problem is due to systemic incompetence of both the workers and the infrastructure of the department. One example is that the computer software they are using is 10 to 20 years old.

[think]

21. 125,000 other Brooklyn voters were purged. The article points out the BOE was notified weeks before

Please quit making excuses for fraud.

[One of the 99]

53. Not making excuses

but fraud hasn't been proven. As I said due to my experience with the Brooklyn BOE it is more likely that it was incompetence than fraud.

[think]

57. The board was warned weeks in advance that legitimate voters were being purged. That's incompetence?

[One of the 99]

59. If you've ever been in that office

you would say yes.

[seabeyond]

19. It wasn't fraud. It was cleaning up, just they did not do it as often as they were suppose to.

All the counties do this for people that moved, died, ect... Most do it consistently. These people waited too long then just did it in a huge number. Those were Clinton voters, btw. Just so we do not have accusation it was DNC or Clinton herself that purged.

It was not voter suppression. We certainly have that and it is on Repug shoulders. Obama, Clinton and DOJ have been fighting it years.

[LiberalFighter]

103. Based on the story it wasn't a purge.

They were placed on inactive status which is the step before purging if certain actions aren't taken.

[seabeyond]

107. I saw your post. Thanks for correcting us all. Not a purge. You are right. Nt

[onehandle]

20. Too bad. Since Hillary won Brooklyn, that would have been more votes for her. nt

[think]

24. That's your response to a discussion about fraud? Seriously Hillary would have won so who cares?

[onehandle]

64. I'm the worst! nt

[think]

69. OK

[tazkcmo]

67. And that's great!

Really. I just want transparent, fair and accountable elections. Period. And if that means my favored candidate loses by a larger margin then so be it. Right is right.

[Zynx]

22. It's fraud if there was a specific attempt to affect the outcome.

Unless you can show that the purge somehow targeted Sanders voters before there was any indication of who they were, you might have something. Otherwise, it's worth noting that Hillary had been polling substantial leads in Brooklyn and that this purge heavily hit minority areas of Brooklyn where she was projected to perform well.

[think]

25. Fraud is when persons legally have the right to vote and are kept from voting. That's fraud.

[Zynx]

27. That's voter suppression and I'm not convinced that really happened here either.

The total number of votes cast in Brooklyn this year was similar to the 2008 primary total.

[think]

36. No. It is election fraud. Here is the definition of election fraud:

Electoral fraud refers to is illegal interference with the process of an election. The definition of the term varies from country to country. Generally it includes illegal voter registration, intimidation at polls and improper vote counting. Even though technically the term 'electoral fraud' covers only illegal acts, the term is also used to describe acts morally unacceptable, outside the spirit of electoral laws or in violation of the principles of democracy.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/e/electoral-fraud/

[TwilightZone]

42. This clearly doesn't fit your definition.

"Electoral fraud refers to is illegal interference with the process of an election."

Your linked article clearly states that "the law was not working". If they were purged under the existing law, it by definition isn't illegal.

[think]

46. Keep making excuses for the purging of voters who had the right to vote. The BOE was warned and did

NOTHING.

[Art_from_Ark]

115. It's reminiscent of the 2000 Florida voter purges

And this recent 13% voter purge was in Brooklyn, Bernie's birthplace and childhood home. Did any other borough see such a purge of registered voters?

[pinebox]

28. The NY AG is investigating this

https://news.vice.com/article/new-york-attorney-general-investigate-alleged-voter-suppression-primary

[think]

49. Thank you for posting. Much appreciated.

[pinebox]

62. welcome

[seabeyond]

35. Yes, Clinton voters just like Arizona was Clinton voters. And yet still, Sanders people accuse her

of suppressing the vote. False accusation, totally irresponsible, shameful and too easy for Sanders and his supporters to do.

[Melissa G]

116. Here is the link to the Anonymous investigation showing the disproportionate Sanders impact

https://anonymousinvestigationsblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/anonymous-report-was-arizonas-voter-registration-database-hacked/

snip
Concerned that we might only be hearing one side of the story, Anonymous has used our very best online research methods in an attempt to discover what the reach of this potentially rather substantial scandal may be. We searched deeply on multiple social media sites, using a wide variety of search terms. We looked into every news story we could reasonably find reporting on this phenomenon. We engaged directly with a few Republicans and Hillary Clinton supporters on Twitter. We tried various general Google searches. We were looking very closely at specific reports where individuals said either that they or someone they knew directly (a relative, friend, or person they were at the polls with) had experienced having their voter registration changed without their knowledge. Where we were able to have direct contact with Democrats making such claims, we asked whether they supported Sanders or Clinton. While these results are far from comprehensive (there are likely well over a thousand of these little reports out there), we have done our best to get an accurate sampling. As reported on Twitter, these are our results:151 Individual Reports

Update: in going through the details of the database, the numbers adjusted slightly. 1 Unknown Party, 12 GOP, 139 Dem, 113 Sanders supporters, 24 Unknown Preference, 2 Clinton.

Anonymous has published our full database below. There are associated weblinks in the database for 146 of the 151 entries. The other five, like Bianca’s, were emailed to us directly. Eighty-five of the reports came from a private, get out the vote Facebook Event for Sanders in Arizona. We need to fill out the details of those 85 reports, but do not want to let that work hold up publication. That event page has thousands of members. For transparency, and in advance of a possible story, we shared the data in advance with a reporter from the Washington Post and made sure they had access to the Private Event page. The reports from that Facebook Event were almost all made while voting was still happening and before results had been announced. Five of the specific reports of this happening to Republican voters came from that Facebook Event. Dozens of people, in addition to Ron, nearly all Sanders supporters, were prevented from voting altogether.

snip

We did not discover a Clinton supporter at all until entry 140. Entry 151 was emailed to us from Maeve Robertson, a seventy-year-old Clinton supporter form Tuscon. Maeve explained that she “didn’t receive my early and ballot and could not not vote because my registration had mysteriously changed to independent. I didn’t receive my voter registration card until the day after the primary.” Maeve has since followed up with the Pima County Recorder who told her that, even though she had been registered as a Democrat for decades and has had an Arizona drivers license since she was sixteen, new procedures meant that she was required to state that she was a Democrat when she renewed her license this past December. She had never had to do that previously and was accordingly disenfranchised from voting last Tuesday. The Recorder told Ms. Robertson that the Motor Vehicles Division (MVD) clerk should have asked her to designate a party. “That didn’t happen, or I certainly would have. Seems as though there’s been some sabotage at the MVD.” While Ms. Robertson would have voted for Clinton and may have donated a small amount to her campaign, she closed cheerfully with the following: “This election it’s vote for anyone who is not Trump, not Cruz or any of those loony tunes Republicans. Thanks for doing this. I’m a big fan of Anonymous.”
Hacked? Arizona’s SQL Vulnerability

[JonathanRackham]

23. Purging the voter rolls was a dirty trick.

Damn it, why aren't people voting every frigging year?

Rise up and take back the nation people.

[YouDig]

29. Brooklyn is Hillary country. Maybe Bernie tried to commit fraud by getting Hillary voters purged,

but there's no evidence this was anything but a bureaucratic error, if that.

[think]

39. It's funny how Hillary supporters are making excuses for fraud by saying Hillary would have won.

Hillarious even!

[YouDig]

40. What makes you think it's fraud? Do you think Bernie intentionally had the votes purged?

There's no fraud without intent, errors aren't fraud. And I doubt that the Bernie campaign did this intentionally.

[pinebox]

30. NY AG is investigating voter supression no matter what Hillary supporters say

https://news.vice.com/article/new-york-attorney-general-investigate-alleged-voter-suppression-primary

[R B Garr]

31. Looks like exactly what they said: moved people who haven't participated into inactive

status. That's routine. The question then becomes, what is the definition for inactive status. Usually it's nonparticipation for at least a couple election cycles.

And you say not to blame Republicans. How laughable. Were only Democrats "purged"? Aren't you curious if any Republicans were moved to inactive status? It's so unusual that Democrats here aren't sure what happened, but they are sure that it was somehow a Democrat's fault. "Don't .........blame it on Republicans." LOL,

BTW, usually you just have to contact the Registrar's office or go online to update any personal info, usually from change of address, etc. How nice they gave out notices in advance. What type of fraud is it when advance notices are sent out...

[think]

41. The BOE was warned WEEKS before the election that legal voters were purged. What did Dems on the

board do to make sure voters were not disenfranchised? not a damn thing....

[R B Garr]

88. Legal voters can still be inactive.

Looks like they moved people to inactive. Plus, they were warned. How considerate.

[think]

89. 125,000 Democrats, 14% of the Democratic voters in Brooklyn were purged from the voter rolls

The NY AG is investigating. A top Democrat has been suspended. The mayor called for major changes.

Hello?...

[R B Garr]

93. hmm, a quick Google shows the Republican official was suspended.

But you are sure it is Democrats to blame.

And what about the notices sent? We got some notices for my husband about a change of address, but I didn't receive them and we've obviously lived in the same places. So we called and found out. There wasn't a clear explanation why he got them and not me, but we called to find out. edit, wait. There was some connection we made while there -- the clerk said they got "third party" notification and read off some possible agencies, and we figured it was the DMV because he renewed his driver's license this year and I didn't have to. Just remembered that!

[think]

94. "Top Democrat suspended for mysterious voter purge"

Top Democrat suspended for mysterious voter purge

The top Democrat at the city Board of Elections’ Brooklyn office was suspended without pay Thursday — the second head to roll amid a probe into the mysterious purge of more than 126,000 Democratic voters from the borough rolls.

Brooklyn Deputy Chief Clerk Betty Ann Canizio-Aqiil, 68, was suspended from her $120,000-a-year job, BOE Executive Director Michael Ryan announced.

Last month, the board suspended Brooklyn Chief Clerk Diane Haslett-Rudiano, a Republican, from her $125,000-a-year position over the April 19 presidential primary fiasco.


Read more:
http://nypost.com/2016/05/05/top-democrat-will-be-suspended-for-mysterious-voter-purge/

[R B Garr]

95. Also from your link:

"Last month, the board suspended Brooklyn Chief Clerk Diane Haslett-Rudiano, a Republican, from her $125,000-a-year position over the April 19 presidential primary fiasco."

[think]

96. "There were 121,056 city residents who voted by affidavit ballot because their names were not on"

http://nypost.com/2016/05/05/top-democrat-will-be-suspended-for-mysterious-voter-purge/

[R B Garr]

97. Yes, looks like the article is saying that people voted with an affidavit ballot. EDIT TO ADD:

Last edited Mon May 23, 2016, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. I can vote with a Provisional ballot if I surrender to an elections official my originally chosen form of ballot. That just means they swapped a ballot out with me and they need to verify that I didn't vote twice. All that basically means is they take your vote and then verify your status. It's done all the time.

[LiberalFighter]

106. You are right. There wasn't a purge. They were placed on inactive status.

“This started for us when a couple members of our staff actually got this notice from the Board of Elections saying that they had been moved from active to inactive status,” said Eric Friedman, Assistant Executive Director for Public Affairs at the New York City Campaign Finance Board.

Poster Think can't wrap his head around the difference between purge and inactive status.

[workinclasszero]

33. It sucks cause that would have been even more votes for Hillary

[Dem2]

37. This has been explained to death

Posting this as a "new" theme because you assume people have forgotten about the simple facts of this case is a waste of my time.

[think]

43. The Board of elections was warned weeks ahead of time. Explain why Democrats on the board

remained silent.

[seabeyond]

45. That would be incompetence, not fraud. That is being investigated. That has nothing to do with

Clinton or DNC. Clinton lost the voters not Sanders.

Why do you have such a hard time acknowledging facts?

[TwilightZone]

38. How many of them moved? How many more of them were notified and didn't follow up?

Numerous other reports have indicated that the majority of those removed had either moved or not responded to multiple requests to update their information.

“What we saw at the primary is the law isn't working for voters,” he said."

Don't like the law? Work to change the law. If the voters were purged under the current law, it's not fraud. If some of them were improperly removed, it's a crappy law. It's still not fraud.

[think]

44. You people don't read do you? the BOE was warned weeks ahead a time of wrongful purging.

There are Democrats on that board. They remained silent.

It's sad how all you Hillary supporters keep making excuses for election fraud.

[seabeyond]

47. Clinton, Obama and DOJ has been addressing suppression for years. Not Sanders. Get off accusing the

the Dems when your candidate has sat silent for decades not doing a damn thing. You... Sanders supporters.

[snowy owl]

113. Clinton? Link please.

[Trajan]

104. There seems to be a direct connection

Between supporting one specific candidate, and being a mean and ugly human being ..

Really ...I don't want to belong to a party that has you as a member ...

Truly despicable ... Argh!

[Fresh_Start]

48. Every single mistake is not fraud

its incompetence or error.

When someone enters the vote totals and you get a vote like
sanders 11792
clinton 223

its an error which is corrected eventually
sanders 11792
clinton 11223


its not fraud

people make mistakes...and the mistakes need to be found and corrected.

its terrible that the voters got purged...but it was incompetence, not fraud that they did so
obviously its multiple peoples incompetence...the person who created the error in the first place
and whoever failed to find and correct it early enough

but its not fraud

[think]

51. The BOE was warned weeks before the election that legitimate voters were being purged. they did

NOTHING.

This included Democrats on the board. They chose to do and say NOTHING.

And now you are trying to legitimize their lack of action as incompetence.

The NY AG is investigating. This is not done:

https://news.vice.com/article/new-york-attorney-general-investigate-alleged-voter-suppression-primary

[Fresh_Start]

65. I'm glad its being investigated

but its far more likely to be error or incompetence than fraud

[think]

70. The BOE was warned weeks in advance that legitimate voters were purged and did nothing to correct

the problems. That's just incompetence?

[Fresh_Start]

77. yes its incompetence or inadequate resources

because they couldn't/didn't focus on that problem because they were also trying to focus on providing an election.

[think]

80. The board was warned weeks in advance. 125,000 voters were purged. That's more than

incompetence.

The NY AG is investigating but anyone can play stupid and say they didn't realize they had just wiped 14% of Democrats of the voting rolls.

Anyone who's being honest with themselves knows that this is much more than just a mistake.

[Fresh_Start]

82. anyone who is being honest would wait for the investigation to be completed

before claiming fraud

[leftynyc]

50. I'm pissed because Hillary would have won NY

by a much larger margin if those people had voted. She cleaned up in the boroughs. She would have wound up with even more delegates and this race would be closer to being over.

[think]

52. You will never know because Dems on the BOE remained silent after being warned weeks in advance

that legitimate voters were being purged...

[leftynyc]

54. I know it's ridiculous

to claim this hurt Bernie in any way whatsoever given that entire buildings and blocks were purged. Like I stated - she cleaned up in the boroughs so it's much more likely she was hurt by the purge than Bernie was. You're free to believe whatever fantasy you wish.

[seabeyond]

58. Bureaucrats not getting on it fixing mistakes. Who would have thought? Thank you for standing up for

Clinton and all the votes she lost because of this error.

[moriah]

56. If those 14% didn't vote in 2012 and 2014, they legally would have been purged.

With only 35% of eligible New Yorkers voting in 2014 and less than half in 2012, unless they re-activated their registrations, legally they were supposed to have been purged.

The goal for all campaigns should be to know the intricacies of each state's registration laws and get the word out early to make SURE you're really registered before the deadline.

[think]

60. The BOE was warned WEEKS before the election that legitimate voters were purged. They did NOTHING

Even the Democrats on the board ignored the warnings and let it happen....

[moriah]

72. At least everyone purged, including the known two who it happened to by mistake...

... received notification in February.

Well before the date to re-register. And because of it requiring re-registration including party declaration, anyone who didn't move and received such a notice had time to resolve the situation.

Crazily enough, though, I just searched for my name since I lived in New York (Queens, on the edge of Brooklyn)over a decade ago. Mine is still showing as active.

[think]

73. Entire buildings & blocks of Democratic voters were purged from the voter rolls in Brooklyn

There is no excuse for what occurred.

Voters shouldn't have to correct the actions of election officials that at the very least allowed these voters to be excluded from the voter rolls.

Anyone with half a brain would know that purging 14% of all the Democratic voters in Brooklyn would seem extremely excessive. Anyone being paid to oversee these purges should be competent enough to see that. It's ludicrous to think otherwise.

There is NO GOOD excuse for what transpired and the BOE including Democrats knew well weeks in advance that things weren't being done correctly.

[seabeyond]

83. No one is giving you excuses regardless how loud you yell up and down the thread.

We corrected your fraud accusations to incompetence, and gave you the facts why and that it is being investigated. We gave you the fact that it was Clinton's votes taken not Sanders or something Clinton did to Sanders, correcting your implication.

Given you facts, correcting your false accusations is not making excuses.

[J_J_]

74. Were 14% of Republicans purged from the voter rolls?

??

[think]

75. Excellent point. And yet so many in this thread are down playing this as nothing.

[seabeyond]

84. No we are not. We are though pulling you back from the ledge falsely accusing Clinton of something.

[hrmjustin]

76. Based on the neighborhoods that were effected the most it is more likely Hillary lost more votes

than Sanders.


I think this was more about the mayors race than the presidential. The area hit thr most is de Blasio's Brooklyn power base.

[hrmjustin]

79. And btw my brother was purged from the rolls here and he is a Hillary supporter.

[moriah]

85. And if you don't want it blamed on Republicans if it was actual fraud, don't ignore facts.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/election-official-ousted-error-purged-brooklyn-voters-article-1.2610369

The person ousted is a Republican with access to the ORCA database and the person people claim she was skapegoated for claims to be a Bernie supporter, plus the ousted is the chief clerk while the person people are trying to blame was a deputy clerk.

http://reverbpress.com/politics/battlegrounds/ny-poll-worker-who-dropped-thousands-from-voter-list-paid-6-6-million/

Face it, computers and people both fuck up. I shouldn't be active as I haven't voted in NY since 2002. People affected on the BoE may have thought it was a limited error that was easily resolved as they received a notice in the mail in a timely fashion. Forgetting to respond to mail, whether it was from the elections board or a jury duty sunmons, isn't something the state is responsible for.

I'm very glad it's getting investigated. But before jumping on the "OMG Hillary really does run the world because she stole the votes in evety state she won" bandwagon, remember Occam's razor. What's more simple -- someone or some computer fucked up, or Hillary has such nefarious power that she can steal elections in any state she chooses?

[think]

87. The BEO was warned WEEKS in ADVANCE that legitimate voters were being purged. Democrats on the board

chose to say and do nothing after being warned.

If they didn't look and see that 125,000 Democrats were being purged after being warned weeks in advance there is something very wrong....

Oh by the way:

http://nypost.com/2016/05/05/top-democrat-will-be-suspended-for-mysterious-voter-purge/

[moriah]

91. If they suspended her too, again, part of a needed investigation and no complaints here.

But while I have attempted to Google for information rather than request you spoonfeed it to me, I've yet to see any statement that officials (besides possibly the ousted ones) were aware of the extent in February. If you have a link and the time to provide it, I would appreciate it.

Also, one good thing about our election process is that, according to your article, they were allowed to cast their votes even if provisionally. If *anything* was done right in this election, hopefully all 121,056 affidavit ballots are still available and can be counted if the voter legitimately belonged on the rolls.

[think]

92. If BOE members are too stupid to know that purging 14% of DEM voters might be bad then

the American people are in serious trouble.

Even without a warning this is extremely glaring. But they were warned that voters were being purged who should not have been weeks before the election as I posted above. Here is the link to the article:

“This started for us when a couple members of our staff actually got this notice from the Board of Elections saying that they had been moved from active to inactive status,” said Eric Friedman, Assistant Executive Director for Public Affairs at the New York City Campaign Finance Board.

Friedman said a CFB staff member and a relative received notices from the Board of Elections in February. They hadn't moved, they were regular voters and they were confused about why their voter status was being changed.

http://www.wnyc.org/story/warning-brooklyn-voter-purge-dates-back-weeks/

[Demsrule86]

86. Hillary won by 20 points

How dare they delete Hillary votes!

[apnu]

90. fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

We do not know if this was fraud or not. Linked in your article is another at wnyc.org from May 5th stating a second person had been suspended in the Brooklyn BOE and that they were cooperating with a State's Atty. General investigation into the matter, plus there is an audit by the City Comptroller.

Until these investigations are completed we cannot say if this was fraud or some other kind of incompetent screw up.

And screw up it is. Both Bernie and Hillary supporters are appalled by it and since so many established Democrats in New York state have cried foul over this, I think its safe to say that what happened in Brooklyn is probably not a conspiracy on Hillary's part to deprive Bernie votes.

What happened here is wrong and should be both investigated and prosecuted.

[reformist2]

111. It looks like it was fraud, and needs to be investigated. Just one of many states.

[apnu]

112. Yes investigate it.

By all means. I don't care what a person's politics are, if they're up to illegal tricks and actions, they should be investigated and prosecuted.

[LiberalFighter]

99. So they got a notice in February about being moved from active to inactive status.

Did the voter(s) do anything to reactive their status?

The term "inactive status" means a category of registered voters who have failed to respond to a residence confirmation notice provided for by section 5-712 of this chapter and whose registrations have neither been restored to the active registration rolls nor been cancelled pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.

Was this a result of change of addresses received from the Post Office?

[think]

109. Oregon adds 34,000 voters under new 'Motor Voter' law (The opposite of a Purge.)

http://www.ktvz.com/news/oregon-adds-34000-voters-under-new-motor-voter-law/38948638

You can blame voters all you want for 125,000 Brooklyn Democrats being removed from voting roles. Apparently Republicans didn't get purged to any crazy level like the Democrats. Will it happen again in November? Will you be just as willing to accept it if another 125,000 Democrats get wiped from eligible voter list?

We're talking about a problem so severe that two of the members on the board of elections have already been suspended without pay and NY AG is investigating the matter.

Meanwhile Oregon is doing something to make sure people aren't disenfranchised.

[Babel_17]

108. It was wrong

Those voters matter, as a matter of principle.

[passy]

110. 33 024 more votes (12% increase) where counted there though compared with 2008 ...

... which is amazing considering how many people where removed from the voter rolls, especially, compared with other counties like Queens and Bronx that saw only a 4.1% and 3.4% increase respectively.
I've also looked at results from election night here and they clearly seemed made up, the increase for Kings (Brooklyn) was an almost perfect 10% then.

[felix_numinous]

114. I don't know what is more disturbing

The voter purge or the complete lack of concern of HRC supporters.

This should be UNACCEPTABLE nomatter who you support! I truly wonder if some of these posters are even American, or are they outsourced..

[silvershadow]

117. K&R.