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J_J_

(1,213 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:42 AM May 2016

Mad About Rigged Elections? Mainstream Media Says YOU Are the Problem

Perhaps corporate, mainstream media — instead of targeting the symptom — should attempt to report its root cause.

Perhaps enormous swaths of voters being dropped from the rolls in New York; Clinton’s inexplicably astronomical luck in coin tosses in Iowa; inexcusably untrained elections volunteers and their equally inexcusable tendency allowing Clinton supporters to participate in caucuses without first being registered; or any number of other examples from the mountain of ever-growing evidence the elections are, indeed, rigged, are infinitely more deserving of headlines than hit pieces against those protesting such affronts to the American electoral process.

Or perhaps we should all just do as Eichenwald suggests — swallow our pride and our desire for a less corrupt and fairer system — and turn tail.

Or not. Because this system is rigged — and the corporate media helps pull the strings. But as long as independent media reports what the mainstream refuses, and as long as fraud inundates the 2016 election, there will be protests — regardless of whether or not Newsweek and the Times and the rest of their ilk ever grasp accuracy in reporting.

http://theantimedia.org/media-rigged-elections-your-fault/

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Mad About Rigged Elections? Mainstream Media Says YOU Are the Problem (Original Post) J_J_ May 2016 OP
I hope to live to see the day when a coin is tossed at my Iowa Caucus precinct. stone space May 2016 #1
why don't they discuss Bernie supporters concerns? J_J_ May 2016 #2
The "msm" are collectively a joke. I don't watch them anymore. Any of them. reformist2 May 2016 #18
Recommend and Kick 2banon May 2016 #3
In oligarchies elections are carefully managed nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #4
The Conspiracy Theory That the Clinton Campaign Stole Votes Makes No Sense Gothmog May 2016 #5
Umm, according to all those rigged polls, Bernie would have won only NH and VT. reformist2 May 2016 #19
we have to stop treating the MSM as the scoreboard GreatGazoo May 2016 #6
Experts agree: Antimedia has a nice ring to it. Octafish May 2016 #7
We need to ask Carter to monitor our elections in the US J_J_ May 2016 #9
He has. Fawke Em May 2016 #11
Considering there is no evidence of a rigged election mythology May 2016 #8
Ahem..... kayakjohnny May 2016 #10
Lots of hyperbole, little evidence anigbrowl May 2016 #12
I've never gotten over my teenaged idealism libodem May 2016 #13
If you aren't talking about the GOP disenfranchising voters on a large scale, then yep. bettyellen May 2016 #14
not just the GOP anymore J_J_ May 2016 #15
Only fools think the GOP voter suppression is a lesser issue. They don't ever address it. Sad. bettyellen May 2016 #16
The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #17
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
1. I hope to live to see the day when a coin is tossed at my Iowa Caucus precinct.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016
coin tosses in Iowa


That would be awesome!


 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
2. why don't they discuss Bernie supporters concerns?
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

MSM covering up crimes of the elite as usual

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
5. The Conspiracy Theory That the Clinton Campaign Stole Votes Makes No Sense
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

The claims in the OP are simply false http://www.thenation.com/article/the-conspiracy-theory-that-the-clinton-campaign-stole-votes-makes-no-sense/

It’s a conspiracy theory, and conspiracy theories tend to fall apart under the weight of their own internal illogic. Consider the 9/11 attacks: If they were a “false flag” operation pulled off by a cabal of extremists within the Bush administration in order to create a casus belli for the invasion of Iraq, why wouldn’t they make the attackers evil Iraqi intelligence officers rather than citizens of Saudi Arabia? And if they really felt the need to bring down the World Trade Center, why bother shooting a missile at the Pentagon? Why crash an airplane into a field in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania? Even judged on its own terms, the theory makes no sense.

Obviously, if campaign operatives were caught rigging a primary or caucus, their candidate would face a media shit-storm, their political careers would be over, and they might well end up in prison. So let’s set aside the specifics for a moment and consider whether there’s a coherent motive for these crimes that would be worth the risk.

Put yourself in the shoes of a vicious Clinton operative with loose ethics and a desire to win at all costs. Why would such a person bother rigging the vote in Wyoming, the state with the fewest delegates up for grabs? That’s a significant risk and a lot of trouble to go through to turn what might have been an 8-6 or perhaps 9-5 delegate split into a 7-7 outcome.

he same problem holds more generally. While Sanders has run an excellent campaign and exceeded all expectations, at no point during the Democratic primaries has he been on track to win. Sanders has held a lead in a handful of national polls, but at no time in the past year has his support broken 42 percent in FiveThirtyEight’s weighted polling average. And at no point in the race has Clinton held a lead narrower than 9.7 percentage points in that average. Why would any campaign, no matter how unprincipled, fix a race that it’s been winning from the start?

Of course, we don’t have a national primary, and Sanders has only gained support—and eaten into Clinton’s—over time. But looking back at the calendar, there hasn’t been a time when the Clinton campaign would have had a rational incentive to start rigging the contests.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
6. we have to stop treating the MSM as the scoreboard
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

They are cheerleaders, not impartial scorekeepers. The idea that they are unbiased just because they aren't Fox, is poisonous.

A prime opportunity to replace the MSM is upon us.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. Experts agree: Antimedia has a nice ring to it.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

“Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. senators and congress members.” — Former President Jimmy Carter

http://theantimedia.org/2016-americans-realized-elections-rigged/

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
9. We need to ask Carter to monitor our elections in the US
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

I can't believe he hasn't noticed what has been happening this primary season.
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
8. Considering there is no evidence of a rigged election
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

Yes the people constantly claiming there are the problem. Just like people who complain about welfare queens without evidence they exist are a problem.

Being unwilling or unable to accept that your preferred candidate isn't winning an election isn't particularly graceful. But claiming every loss is as a result of fraud without any evidence is classless and childish.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
12. Lots of hyperbole, little evidence
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

This is basically just grouchy commentary on secondary sources with no actual facts to back up the claims other than the author's pre-existing beliefs.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
14. If you aren't talking about the GOP disenfranchising voters on a large scale, then yep.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

You are letting the worst of it continue.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
16. Only fools think the GOP voter suppression is a lesser issue. They don't ever address it. Sad.
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:21 PM
May 2016

I wonder if that is because it's not happening to the voters they care about. That would fit the pattern we see in complaining about election results. Self serving crap.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
17. The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same.
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same. Marie Beyle (Stendahl)

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