Any Ohio people here? David Gergen and John King on CNN just said that all the energy

[jezebel]

on the ground in Ohio the last few days is for Romney and it feels totally different than 4 years ago when the energy was for Obama.

Are they full of shit?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Consider the source....

[MuttLikeMe]

2. Yeah they're full of shit I think

when you compare the number of OFA field offices to Romney's, we way outnumber theirs. It's no contest.

[vilify]

3. Did he canvass the entire state of ohio?

How could he possibly know better than the polls?

[jezebel]

6. they were saying the feel of people on the ground and in the field offices was more energetic for

Romney.
I'm hoping they are spinning but I have to admit Romney's rally tonight in Ohio is adding to the worry.

[dem1977]

11. how big is the crowd? n/t

[jezebel]

22. The right wing says 50,000. Media is saying 20 -30,000.

[msrizzo]

33. Just remember.............

.....we don't know how many were paid or bussed in to be there. Got to do something with that billionaire money.

[dem1977]

36. I saw several people with U of Alabama hats and coats... bussed in?

[Firebirds01]

53. A bunch of people from Alabama

came here to canvass for Romney.


Probably them.

[skeewee08]

4. Thats why their ratings suck....President O camp never left Ohio

After 08 they have the edge over the rehugs...

[Jennicut]

5. Wow, they are really trying hard to have some kind of horse race, aren't they?

The hacks have to accept that Obama has some momentum in all the swing states right now. Sad for them, I know.

[Botany]

7. they are full of shit

massive ground game in Ohio ...... I have spent today getting things ready for
50,000 + Democratic voters who have not voted.

We are going to twist their heads off and shit down their throats.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

23. I love you.

[Surya Gayatri]

45. Can you post some pics after you get done? Bwaaahaaaaaa!

[sunwyn]

8. In the last four days I have seen dozens of Obama/Biden signs

popping up here in rural Preble Co. I have also seen Obama signs pop up in yards next to Gary Johnson signs. Gives me hope...

[Sugarcoated]

9. Gergen will find the negative for anything Obama

always. He really dislikes him. I used to like John King, like when he did that Cheney documentary, it was fantastic. He's become just another tool, unfortunately.

[Thrill]

10. How exactly did they come to that conclusion?

Most are saying Mittens is getting pounded for that Jeep ad there

[Floyd_Gondolli]

12. Mr. Hand from Fastimes at Ridgemont High

I don't watch CNN much anymore but I keep wondering who will be the first on that network to step up and call bullshit on this charade.

Obama is ahead in virtually every swing state this side of North Carolina. And he's got a fighting chance to win that too.

Intrade, Silver, Princeton and virtually every other indicator is strongly favoring Obama.

On top of all of that he has had a helluva good week while this week has been a catastrophe for Willard.

To quote Mr. Hand from Fast Times at Ridgemont High "What are you people, on dope?".

[zbdent]

13. Make it stop, MAKE IT STOP!

[BeyondGeography]

14. When the data doesn't support your bullshit

Try something else.

[LiberalFighter]

15. Whose asscrack are they sticking their nose in?

[SCliberal091294]

16. ..

Crowd had 25k. what are the average obama crowds there?

[Floyd_Gondolli]

21. At least a billion.

[polichick]

17. Yep, chock full of shit.

[boingboinh]

18. What i am puzzled by is what exactly Ohioans actually see in Romney as Benefiting them?

Every single thing Romney stands for is the direct opposite that could help Ohio. And there are even cases that Romney was against it (e.g Auto bailout) that would have destroyed Ohio. But yet, somehow these people will vote for him? Huh?

This tells me that people are truly dumb and deserve to be exploited. Obama may not be perfect but Romney is disturbingly worse.

[goblue316]

56. I have lived in Ohio my whole life

And I hate to admit this, but a lot of the people that hate Obama are out and out racist.........they listen to rush limbaugh and they quote fox like they have been hypnotized. Now there are some republicans in NW Ohio that are farmers and they always vote republican and there are some die hards, but for the most part the other tea party types are bigots. I do have one black woman I work for that is a republican, but she is a moron and it is more about abortion that anything else.

[Faith9326]

19. Wait what?

Were they clear as to WHERE the hell in Ohio this "energy" is coming from? The fuck?


If they talking about central Ohio, truth is no one is pumped for either candidate. I'm trying to get people here in Columbus to vote early for Obama, but for some reason central Ohio is just so lackluster in this election. A lot of people here are not waking up and taking this seriously. They're more worried about the damn Buckeyes(who I love) having a perfect season. But I am sure they will go for Obama on election day.

Northeast Ohio is totally pumped for Obama, so I know they can't be talking about there. They're the reason why Obama will carry this state. I'm proud of Northeast Ohio.

Maybe the Cincinnati area? They voted for Obama in 08, but they are definitely more pro-Romney this time around. But CNN needs to tell the truth about that area. It's racist as hell, and a lot of people were shocked that they even went blue in 08.


Northwest Ohio(Toledo area), I'm not sure what's going on there.

And the rest of Ohio(rural areas) is racist, so yeah.

[boingboinh]

24. One Truism in Elections is, come hell or high-water, the republican base voter will always go Vote

Its the democrats that have problems voting. If they aren't enthused you are fucked.
Republicans on the other hand will even get the dog ready to go out and vote on election day. Never fails...no matter how crappy their candidate is.

[Faith9326]

29. Democrats are fired up here though

I said that in my post. People in Northeast(Cleveland area) Ohio are very fired up. These are where the blue-collar workers are, they really don't like Mitt.



Franklin County will go blue, I have no doubt. I was just stating that people aren't pumped for either candidate. But it will go blue, no doubt.

[doc03]

27. I can testify that the rural areas are racists and they are

right about Romney people being way more energized here. I have a feeling Ohio may surprise everyone Tuesday night. Sorry but you asked.

[Faith9326]

31. I didn't ask....

And I disagree. Ohio is going for Obama. Bottom line.

[doc03]

43. That was the question that was asked in the op, I gave my

opinion, I am sorry if it is not what people want to hear. Here is something I experienced, a couple weeks ago Bill Clinton came to Wintersville Ohio. Everyone was on their feet for Clinton, same for Gov. Strickland, Clinton said we need to support Sherrod Brown and he got huge applause, then Clinton said we need to re-elect Obama there was a few scattered claps. People showed up for Bill Clinton but there just didn't seem to be much enthusiasm for Obama. I went to the Obama local office to listen to Obama's speech at the convention I would say 10 people showed up.

[goblue316]

63. I was raised 20 minutes from

Wintersville and this is Appalachia......there are lots of working class people, lots of drugs, lots of bigots. Jefferson County would be bluer than blue if President Obama was a white man.

[doc03]

65. You are 100% correct n/t

[Faith9326]

70. That's a shame

I've been living in Columbus(in a liberal area) for so long that I forgot how ridiculous this state is sometimes.

[RBInMaine]

39. Another white flagger are you? Christ. Take an upper, please.

[doc03]

47. I hope to God I am wrong, but the question was asked and

I said what I think.

[boingboinh]

20. LOL! Like they are going to say Romney is F'ed!

Just look back to 2008 and check out these same people saying things were tightning in favor of McCain for Ohio and PA in the closing days.

[CoffeeCat]

25. That's the opposite of the FACTS

Obama is leading in the polls, all Ohio polls--that's #1.

#2. Obama has twice as many field offices as Romney, in Ohio.

#3. Romney has lied his way through Ohio and Ohioans know it, as the auto companies have publicly denounced Romney's lies about Jeep outsourcing to China. Ohio knows better than any state what a liar he is!

#4. Romney was wrong on the auto bailout and this blasts into his assertion that he is better on the economy. His very public rip on the bailout hurt him with so many in Ohio who are connected to the auto industry. Obama was clearly right, and Ohioans know that Obama helped their economy, which is doing better than the national average.

SO WHAT IN THE HELL ARE GERGEN AND KING DOING???

Not one poll, not one shred if evidence, backs up their opinion. Stuff like this infuriates me. Why don't they just go to work for the Romney campaign and get it over with!

[doc03]

28. Will Democrats vote, that is the big question, they were AWOL in 2010 n/t

[Faith9326]

32. You're scaring me

Stop.

[RBInMaine]

41. Um, uh, this actually is 2012 and not, uh, 2010.

[CoffeeCat]

42. Comparing a non-presidential year turnout...

...to this Presidential election, is so absurd.

I wasn't very motivated to vote in 2010. In fact, I was angry and disappointed in Obama. Many Dems were a bit disillusioned by 2010 and it was not a presidential race.

So comparing 2010 and 2012, is like comparing apples to hockey pucks.

I am so fired up to vote on Tues and most Dems I know are just as motivated as they were in 2008. Most Dems are distraught and terrified over a the mere thought of a Romney presidency. Imagine if George W Bush was running against Obama--and how that would make Dems run to the polls! Most of us consider Romney to be ten times worse than Bush!

I am horrendously motivated to vote--both for Obama and against Romney. I think Dem hatred for Romney is the most under reported reality of the campaign season.

Did you know that absentee and early voting in my swing state of Iowa is higher than 2008??? There is a ton of white-hit enthusiasm against Romney and it will be very evident in election night, that's for sure!

[SCliberal091294]

26. ..

Good news is kod rock is there so maybe extra people went for the concert

[stuckinodi]

30. The rally is in West Chester

Boner's home town, and a blood red area outside of Cincinnati.

[TroyD]

34. They are in Boehner's district

That's where the big Republican rally is, so I would assume it IS a Republican stronghold.

But earlier today when CNN released its OHIO poll at 4:00 pm, John King himself admitted that Obama has consistently been ahead in Ohio for weeks now.

And last week David Gergen said that he gave the edge to Obama in terms of who would win the Presidency.

So perhaps they are referring to the fact that compared to 2008 Obama is not at the height he was, or that compared to McCain Romney is doing better?

[mama]

35. From a republican-leaning suburb of Cleveland

Sandy blew away all the Obama & Romney yard signs. Obama signs were replaced, Romney signs were not!

[Faith9326]

37. And since we're on this Ohio topic, I will say

Is Obama coming back to central Ohio? The Columbus area? He needs to come back here and hold a huge rally(maybe with Clinton). People here need to get their heads out of their asses and vote.

[goblue316]

68. My son got an

E mail from the Obama Campaign and there will be a Concert with Jay Z and Obama on Monday at Nationwide arena. It will be Obama's last stop!!!

[Faith9326]

71. YEEEES

Just what I needed to hear! Omg, I need tickets.

[TroyD]

38. And here's a contradictory report from Steve Peoples of The Associated Press!

Steady stream of people leaving Romney rally in the middle of his speech. Maybe it's the cold, but energy level low in Ohio

https://twitter.com/sppeoples

https://twitter.com/sppeoples/status/264528449031516160

[OhioworkingDem]

40. I am volunteering to GOTV in Ohio this weekend.

I made 100 calls to recruit volunteers for this weekend on Monday,when the weather was starting to be out of control. People were not home. What did they mean the last few days. Most of those days we were under the Sandy weather system and the Obama campaign was on hold. Are they crazy?

[RomneyLies]

44. They're full of shit

Completely full of shit. continuing the horse race narrative.

[smorkingapple]

46. Of coUrse the energy will seem this way compared to Obama McCain as baseline

Ita a given the energy around Obama isn't where it was in 2008 but you can't just transfer that to Romney and say he has it either. You'd see that in the polls somewhere.

[S_E_Fudd]

48. Interesting article on "Crowdsmanship" by Robert Mann...

I distinctly remember the massive crowd Walter Mondale attracted in 1984. Dukakis near the end was drawing large crowds...they have little actual affect other than to stir up partisans and garner media coverage...

But the fact remains that the size of a rally is not always a good indicator of momentum. Larger crowds don’t always translate into larger Election Day victories.

http://bobmannblog.com/2012/10/29/beware-the-crowdsmanship-when-it-comes-to-campaign-rallies-does-size-matter/

FYI Robert Mann wrote one of my Favorite books: The Walls of Jericho: Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey, Richard Russell and the Struggle for Civil Rights

[53tammy]

49. GOTV sunday for me 2..

Most everyone has been great so far. Have had 3 register and vote for the first time in their lives. All 3 are over 50 so I believe everyone understands how important this is.

[cally]

50. called undeclared Ohio voters yesterday

and only found Obama supporters (who knows where campaign got the list but it was the first time called and all were undeclared voters not registered Democrats.) I found some very enthusiastic Obama supporters and all definitely had plans to vote. I tried to get them to early vote and only got a few to commit to vote early.

[TroyD]

51. And here's a contradictory report from Steve Peoples of The Associated Press!

Steady stream of people leaving Romney rally in the middle of his speech. Maybe it's the cold, but energy level low in Ohio

http://twitter.com/sppeoples

http://twitter.com/sppeoples/status/264528449031516160

[goblue316]

52. They are full of crap

Ohio is bluer than blue for Obama. I live in Northwestern Ohio and I have never seen so many Democratic Yard signs in the past 15 years. Obama supporters are riled up and ready to vote or everyone I know already has voted. I know a few republicans and none are excited for Robme but they are voting for him because they are die hards.

And by the way..........Obama will end his campaigning here IN OHIO on Monday afternoon with a Concert from Jay Z at Nationwide Arena in Columbus.

[behindthe8ballnchain]

54. yes - full of shit

Just did some diggin' to see where in OH King and Gergen are right now and didn't see the piece you mention - but I did find King reporting today from Cincinnati. Yes, the wonderful part of the world that brought us Marge Schott. This perspective outta Cincinnati is a bit like the guy in Berlin in June of 1944 who says "I think we're winning the war."

A rapper I know (from Cincy, like me - but long moved on) once kicked off a verse with the line "Cincinnati - Big OH Racist Town". First time I saw him after I heard the song I said, "you're wrong about Cincinnati, it's not that big."

Damn I miss Skyline though.

[Tenleytown]

55. these are the pics on twitter...

http://therightnewz.com/?p=13253

so weird to see big crowds of people and zero minorities....creepy... anyway...hard for me to ascertain that this is 35-50K

[tibor75]

57. media idiots

Romney and GOP realize the media are idiots and want the outcome of Tuesday to be in doubt so they planned this mega-rally. They do have 20K...but so what? did you see the guest list?

According to cincinnati.com:
However, GOP primary opponents Rick Santorum and Rick Perry will be, along with: Senator Kelly Ayotte, Senator Kay Bailey-Hutchinson, Mr. Hector Barreto, Congressman Marsha Blackburn, Speaker John Boehner, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, Governor Sam Brownback, Governor Phil Bryant, Ms. Bay Buchanan, Congressman Jason Chaffetz, Secretary Elaine Chao, Senator Norm Coleman, Mrs. Barbara Comstock, Congressman Artur Davis, Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Senator Lindsey Graham, Lieutenant Governor Kerry Healey, Governor Dave Heineman, Governor Bobby Jindal, Treasurer Rosario Marin, Mrs. Cindy McCain, Senator John McCain, Governor Bob McDonnell, Mr. Derek Parra, Senator Rob Portman, Chairman Reince Priebus, Congresswoman Martha Roby, Dr. Ben Romney, Mr. Craig Romney, Mr. Josh Romney, Mr. Matt Romney, Mr. Tagg Romney, Senator Marco Rubio, Congressman Aaron Schock, Governor John Sununu, Senator Jim Talent, Lieutenant Governor Mary Taylor, Senator John Thune, Senator Pat Toomey, Governor Scott Walker.

I would certainly hope 20K would show up to that in their Ohio stronghold.
How much would Obama get if he came with Biden, Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Rendell, Caroline Kennedy, etc etc.

Please, they planned this event, Boehner brought the crowd, and the media idiots from Gergen to Dumbizzla to Joe Klein will eat it up.

[NewJeffCT]

58. The freepers at work were orgasmic

because they heard that Romney was ahead in early voting in Ohio.

[alcibiades_mystery]

59. McCain and Palin had several 25,000+ rallies in the closing weeks/days as well

So what?

[2roos]

60. Really - Data do matter

Check out http://www.colleyrankings.com/election2012/ - academics running it - they got 2008 right and are quite conservative (take all polls from the last month for each State) with the math - Obama has 291 EV with their model.

[budkin]

61. Hahahahhahaha

ok

[faithfulcitizen]

62. Well, just wait until Obama's mega event with DMB! So there! :P

[Cali_Democrat]

64. Jesus H. Christ

These people don't quit, do they?

The mediawhores are fucking pathetic.

[ncteechur]

66. Maybe they didn't hear about the folks leaving in the middle of Rmoney's speech.

[peace13]

67. Michelle Obama is here on Saturday and Biden on Sunday.

The Prez was here today. I think Ohioans realize the joke that is Romney with regard to the auto industry.

[GeorgeGist]

69. I've noticed ...

that frantic people have lots of useless energy.